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Post by Dave the Rave on Nov 15, 2020 19:27:58 GMT
I agree that our issues pale into insignificance compared to some of the stuff that goes on abroad. But it's because it's ours that our news media focuses on it. Same in every country, it's not really a symptom of "wokeness". Just parochialism if anything. You'd soon have people complaining if our news reporting concentrated on all the fighting, racism and abuses around the world at the expense of home news, no matter how "worthy" those foreign news issues are. If they report on some of the intolerance and injustices around the world it does kind of piss on their "we live in a terrible country" agenda and that's where the woke element comes in for me. I take your points btw, some fair comments. It's interesting how different people view the media. I don't see them pushing an agenda that this country is terrible. I also don't see any reason why they'd want to have an agenda like that. If anything, I find this country blows its own trumpet a little too often, much like the USA. I get tired of hearing that 'this is the greatest nation on earth' bollocks. Loads of countries leaders say it, but they can't all be right. No country can absolutely be the best place to live in the world for every single one of its inhabitants. That's all I see being pointed out occasionally - that not everyone is having such a great time of it. That by understanding each others situations a little more we can help to improve the life chances of fellow human beings. It's why terms like white privilege don't offend me. I absolutely have benefitted from white privilege for the simple fact I've never been racially abused in my life. A Bangladeshi work colleague I have can't say the same - he's told me many stories of being racially abused when driving taxis. For me to tell him this is the most tolerant country in the world so suck it up and stop putting this country down would be utterly selfish of me. It's his experience, not mine. His experiences don't make all of the UK racist and noone is suggesting it does, but highlighting these incidents of racism is absolutely crucial to trying to root out those who still hold prejudiced views. It's to the UKs credit that we have done so much to reduce inequalities, but they still exist and for some people in society that means their life isn't as good as yours or mine.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 16, 2020 12:31:11 GMT
If they report on some of the intolerance and injustices around the world it does kind of piss on their "we live in a terrible country" agenda and that's where the woke element comes in for me. I take your points btw, some fair comments. It's interesting how different people view the media. I don't see them pushing an agenda that this country is terrible. I also don't see any reason why they'd want to have an agenda like that. If anything, I find this country blows its own trumpet a little too often, much like the USA. I get tired of hearing that 'this is the greatest nation on earth' bollocks. Loads of countries leaders say it, but they can't all be right. No country can absolutely be the best place to live in the world for every single one of its inhabitants. That's all I see being pointed out occasionally - that not everyone is having such a great time of it. That by understanding each others situations a little more we can help to improve the life chances of fellow human beings. It's why terms like white privilege don't offend me. I absolutely have benefitted from white privilege for the simple fact I've never been racially abused in my life. A Bangladeshi work colleague I have can't say the same - he's told me many stories of being racially abused when driving taxis. For me to tell him this is the most tolerant country in the world so suck it up and stop putting this country down would be utterly selfish of me. It's his experience, not mine. His experiences don't make all of the UK racist and noone is suggesting it does, but highlighting these incidents of racism is absolutely crucial to trying to root out those who still hold prejudiced views. It's to the UKs credit that we have done so much to reduce inequalities, but they still exist and for some people in society that means their life isn't as good as yours or mine. A very well written post and very eloquently put. You are spot on re the injustice and prejudice because of skin colour, religion. I think the issue for me is how certain elements have manipulated certain incidents which aren’t actual cases of racism to fit their own agenda or to raise their own profile in a way which actually divides people and dilutes genuine cases. Certainly at the moment it does feel like both with the Press and Policing the equality has gone out of the reporting and dealing with incidents because of the fear of being branded. That of course though is only an opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2020 23:43:31 GMT
Over 500 days since Johnson said their would be an internal investigation into anti Muslim discrimination in the Tory Party......silence. The EHRC tell the Conservative Party to sort their own affairs out and find no reason to investigate, despite evidence being highlighted......swept under the carpet. A report into the Labour Party's inability to deal with Islamophobia in its own party by its own members......nothing. No door stepping of Starmer, no questions directed towards him on the subject at all from the MSM, no members of the "Muslim community" or MP's invited onto news channel after news channel to talk about the issue. Not a bean. Thousands upon thousands of column inches given to the real (but hugely exaggerated) issue of antisemitism, hundreds of hours of footage on rolling news channels discussing Jewish peoples anguish (without any representation for the thousands of Jewish socialists airbrushed from the story) So bollocks to political posturing, are we against actual racism or not? Or do Muslims just not count?
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 17, 2020 0:14:44 GMT
So much denial and diversion, still.. anything to find a way of exonerating and deifying the great man. The parallels between Corbyn and Trump’s core support have always been striking, never more than now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2020 7:33:53 GMT
So much denial and diversion, still.. anything to find a way of exonerating and deifying the great man. The parallels between Corbyn and Trump’s core support have always been striking, never more than now. “Diversion” is simply the modern way of shutting down debate. The only “denial” seems to be the denial that certain types of racism exist and others can be swept under the carpet. You’re either anti-racist or you’re not......
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Post by The man from Utch on Nov 18, 2020 0:43:08 GMT
This black woman is one hell of a smart person. Hated by the left and Hollywood.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 19, 2020 9:33:50 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 19, 2020 17:36:12 GMT
Spot on from Norman Brennan. Well worth a listen
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 19, 2020 21:59:23 GMT
Prestwich deleted by the looks.
Sad that. One less barricade to the onslaught of unchecked and rampant right wing populism.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 20, 2020 9:05:47 GMT
Prestwich deleted by the looks. Sad that. One less barricade to the onslaught of unchecked and rampant right wing populism. Technical problems mate, I'm back
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 20, 2020 9:07:26 GMT
Prestwich deleted by the looks. Sad that. One less barricade to the onslaught of unchecked and rampant right wing populism. Technical problems mate, I'm back Good to hear!
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 20, 2020 9:10:20 GMT
Technical problems mate, I'm back Good to hear! Re-enstated a sight quicker than Mr Corbyn. Anyway, good news.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 20, 2020 16:27:27 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 25, 2020 11:22:24 GMT
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Post by mattyd2 on Nov 25, 2020 11:28:56 GMT
Spot on from Norman Brennan. Well worth a listen Finally, the elephant in the room has been spotted and talked about.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 25, 2020 11:34:52 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 25, 2020 11:37:28 GMT
I expect it to be at the front of all newspapers, discussed hourly on LBC, Radio 4/5 and Times Radio, the main topic of conversation on Question Time and have a Newsnight panel comprised totally of people with an anti-Tory agenda talking about it. Because we have a free and fair press so why wouldn't it?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 25, 2020 12:01:21 GMT
I expect it to be at the front of all newspapers, discussed hourly on LBC, Radio 4/5 and Times Radio, the main topic of conversation on Question Time and have a Newsnight panel comprised totally of people with an anti-Tory agenda talking about it. Because we have a free and fair press so why wouldn't it? I'm shocked I'll be honest, I've just watched Politics Live on BBC2 where they've spent a few minutes on Windrush before Jo Coburn has aggressively turned the debate towards Corbyn and antisemitism. I just wasn't expecting that........
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Post by walstoke on Nov 25, 2020 12:05:16 GMT
This black woman is one hell of a smart person. Hated by the left and Hollywood. Excellent speaker, but the brain washed woke will despise her.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 25, 2020 12:13:57 GMT
This black woman is one hell of a smart person. Hated by the left and Hollywood. Excellent speaker, but the brain washed woke will despise her. I agree with some of what she says, and disagree with other parts. But I like her.......
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