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Post by lordb on Sept 2, 2021 18:19:03 GMT
Bologna are a good traditional club in Italy to be fair From a football point of view miles better than Chinese league They are run of the mill mate which smacks in the face of his ambitions …they must be paying him well until he wants another signing on fee from some other mugs He's 30+ now, it's as big a club as he could expect Very good player but not top drawer (not often enough anyway) to attract the really big clubs, that's why he played for Stoke and West Ham
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 2, 2021 19:32:09 GMT
Surely that merits a new thread, not resurrecting one from the Norman conquest? It's an irrational bugbear I've developed about a change that has slowly crept in. I've no idea why it makes me so grumpy. P.S. Arnie and Fuller are the only two players in competition for the best attacking player of the last 40 years. All of the other candidates - Bojan, Etherington, Pennant, Moses - aren't even on the same planet. Shaqiri not even worth a mention? I don't think so. Did he really have any more than a dozen good games in his three years with us? I thought we were a much better side with Moses the previous season - a player who then went on to be an integral part of Conte's title winning team at Chelsea. In terms of Stoke wingers in the PL era, I wouldn't even say that he did half as much for us as Etherington and Pennant.
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 2, 2021 21:11:47 GMT
Shaqiri not even worth a mention? I don't think so. Did he really have any more than a dozen good games in his three years with us? I thought we were a much better side with Moses the previous season - a player who then went on to be an integral part of Conte's title winning team at Chelsea. In terms of Stoke wingers in the PL era, I wouldn't even say that he did half as much for us as Etherington and Pennant. So Shaqiri wasn't "half as good" as players who themselves were "not on the same planet" as Arnie? Do me a favour. He scored almost as many (generally stunning) goals as Pennant and Etherington put together, I'd say that's doing a bit more than half as much. PS Bojan was better than both of them
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 2, 2021 23:20:56 GMT
I don't think so. Did he really have any more than a dozen good games in his three years with us? I thought we were a much better side with Moses the previous season - a player who then went on to be an integral part of Conte's title winning team at Chelsea. In terms of Stoke wingers in the PL era, I wouldn't even say that he did half as much for us as Etherington and Pennant. So Shaqiri wasn't "half as good" as players who themselves were "not on the same planet" as Arnie? Do me a favour. He scored almost as many (generally stunning) goals as Pennant and Etherington put together, I'd say that's doing a bit more than half as much. PS Bojan was better than both of them Shaqiri played for himself not the team evidenced and topped by his implication, true or not that he was playing with a load of dross. You would never have heard Pennant or Etherington comparing themselves to teammates in that way. He was a player who annoyed me intensely and I've never understood his cult status here. To me his attitude was far worse than Ince's and one of the reasons why the team spirit was so bad. For all his arrogance Arnautovic never publicly criticised players he was playing with.
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 3, 2021 0:33:12 GMT
So Shaqiri wasn't "half as good" as players who themselves were "not on the same planet" as Arnie? Do me a favour. He scored almost as many (generally stunning) goals as Pennant and Etherington put together, I'd say that's doing a bit more than half as much. PS Bojan was better than both of them Shaqiri played for himself not the team evidenced and topped by his implication, true or not that he was playing with a load of dross. You would never have heard Pennant or Etherington comparing themselves to teammates in that way. He was a player who annoyed me intensely and I've never understood his cult status here. To me his attitude was far worse than Ince's and one of the reasons why the team spirit was so bad. For all his arrogance Arnautovic never publicly criticised players he was playing with. I don’t think he intentionally did it publicly did he? Anyway. I know what you mean but I think his attitude was variable tbh. Scored some superb goals and played some scintillating football at times. And in the second half of the relegation season he was basically the only player doing anything for the team, whatever chunky Charlie might say.
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Post by clarkeda on Sept 3, 2021 6:19:45 GMT
One of my favourite ever players (not just stoke)
His sheer pace and power used to absolutely dominate fullbacks.
His ability to bring the ball over the tip down with his tip toe and kill it dead.
My personal favourite that crept out of his game is the dummy/dragback and dummy that got defenders everytime.
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Post by armitage on Sept 3, 2021 8:05:52 GMT
We tend to remember him, l think, by how good he was in his final season and hence his £20-25 million transfer value followed up with his excellent performances for West Ham. But in his first year with us he was significantly poorer than Moses (who, l thought at the time, might have been pursuaded to join us which could have led to Arnie moving on before we got the chance to see the best of him).
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 3, 2021 8:40:58 GMT
I don't think so. Did he really have any more than a dozen good games in his three years with us? I thought we were a much better side with Moses the previous season - a player who then went on to be an integral part of Conte's title winning team at Chelsea. In terms of Stoke wingers in the PL era, I wouldn't even say that he did half as much for us as Etherington and Pennant. So Shaqiri wasn't "half as good" as players who themselves were "not on the same planet" as Arnie? Do me a favour. He scored almost as many (generally stunning) goals as Pennant and Etherington put together, I'd say that's doing a bit more than half as much. PS Bojan was better than both of them Arnie could and should have played for a top four club. He would have done, had he not thrown himself at the first club to offer him a 50p pay rise. Bojan was stupendous for an all-too-brief period either side of his injury. I have no idea why every manager he's played under since 2016 has barely given him a chance, but there must be some off-pitch reason. Shaqiri was a Premier League Tom Ince - in fact, the stats for his one goodish season with us are eerily similar to Ince's stats in his one goodish season. We were about his level.
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Post by armitage on Sept 3, 2021 9:22:50 GMT
You don't think that 2018 Shaq (the summer we sold him) would walk into a mid table Prem side (Everton, Newcastle, West Ham)?
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 3, 2021 9:42:40 GMT
Shaqiri played for himself not the team evidenced and topped by his implication, true or not that he was playing with a load of dross. You would never have heard Pennant or Etherington comparing themselves to teammates in that way. He was a player who annoyed me intensely and I've never understood his cult status here. To me his attitude was far worse than Ince's and one of the reasons why the team spirit was so bad. For all his arrogance Arnautovic never publicly criticised players he was playing with. I don’t think he intentionally did it publicly did he? Anyway. I know what you mean but I think his attitude was variable tbh. Scored some superb goals and played some scintillating football at times. And in the second half of the relegation season he was basically the only player doing anything for the team, whatever chunky Charlie might say. Yes he did - he said in an interview that nobody, not even Messi could do what he was asked to do and play well with the players he had to play with every week.
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Sept 3, 2021 11:44:02 GMT
Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Sept 3, 2021 11:44:02 GMT
We tend to remember him, l think, by how good he was in his final season and hence his £20-25 million transfer value followed up with his excellent performances for West Ham. But in his first year with us he was significantly poorer than Moses (who, l thought at the time, might have been pursuaded to join us which could have led to Arnie moving on before we got the chance to see the best of him). He wasn't very consistent until that final season at Stoke. Even then, I don't remember him becoming a staple of the starting lineup until a few weeks into the season. Still a brilliant signing and one of the best players I've seen at Stoke.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 3, 2021 11:58:45 GMT
I'll always remember Arnie fondly. He was a terrific player.
Shaqiri less so for me.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 3, 2021 12:01:04 GMT
I found Shaqiri a mild disappointment overall. Perhaps my expectations were too high in that I'd seen him light up international games for Basel and even World Cup games for Switzerland and he never quite looked like that player for us.
Then again if he was still that player we'd likely not have had a chance of signing him.
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 3, 2021 14:14:16 GMT
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 3, 2021 14:22:14 GMT
I love the one near the end where he leaves two opposition players to run into each other and end up on the ground while he runs away with the ball. Have to say that shows him to be even better than I remembered. Incredible to think a player of that ability played for Stoke. Thank you Mark Hughes for bringing him here.
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Post by andystokey on Sept 3, 2021 14:22:21 GMT
Surely that merits a new thread, not resurrecting one from the Norman conquest? It's an irrational bugbear I've developed about a change that has slowly crept in. I've no idea why it makes me so grumpy. P.S. Arnie and Fuller are the only two players in competition for the best attacking player of the last 40 years. All of the other candidates - Bojan, Etherington, Pennant, Moses - aren't even on the same planet. Mark Stein? Mark Chamberlain?
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 3, 2021 15:31:56 GMT
Surely that merits a new thread, not resurrecting one from the Norman conquest? It's an irrational bugbear I've developed about a change that has slowly crept in. I've no idea why it makes me so grumpy. P.S. Arnie and Fuller are the only two players in competition for the best attacking player of the last 40 years. All of the other candidates - Bojan, Etherington, Pennant, Moses - aren't even on the same planet. Mark Stein? Mark Chamberlain? Mike Sharon
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 3, 2021 15:33:48 GMT
Mark Stein? Mark Chamberlain? Mike Sharon Sheron
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Sept 3, 2021 16:25:10 GMT
Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Sept 3, 2021 16:25:10 GMT
West Ham have a more effective player in Antonio. Random
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Sept 3, 2021 17:48:24 GMT
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Post by fca47 on Sept 3, 2021 17:48:24 GMT
West Ham have a more effective player in Antonio. Random Played his best football in England for West Ham, but still not as good as Antonio.
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Sept 3, 2021 20:49:19 GMT
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Post by nonameface on Sept 3, 2021 20:49:19 GMT
He was a poorer player for West Ham, but was played in a position where he could get more goals and at a club where he would get more air time.
If he had grown up at an earlier point he would never have left Inter, we were lucky he grew up with us and no one before us.
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Sept 3, 2021 21:42:31 GMT
Post by stayingupforbigbazza on Sept 3, 2021 21:42:31 GMT
Liked Arnie alot. The usual moaners (those sitting behind us )would have a go with "he's not at it" today not realising that's he's still one of the best on the pitch. Slightly pissed off when he came to Stoke and scored that hat trick for Wet Sham against us and over celebrated . Suppose he was giving abuse back that he was getting on the day ?? Also spent all day going Swansea and back to see Arnie miss that pen .
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Post by lordb on Sept 3, 2021 21:43:35 GMT
Liked Arnie alot. The usual moaners would have a go with "he's not at it" today not realising that's he's still one of the best on the pitch. Slightly pissed off when he came to Stoke and scored that hat trick for Wet Sham against us and over celebrated . Suppose he was giving abuse back that he was getting on the day ?? Think he got just the one goal?
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Sept 3, 2021 21:47:36 GMT
Post by stayingupforbigbazza on Sept 3, 2021 21:47:36 GMT
Liked Arnie alot. The usual moaners would have a go with "he's not at it" today not realising that's he's still one of the best on the pitch. Slightly pissed off when he came to Stoke and scored that hat trick for Wet Sham against us and over celebrated . Suppose he was giving abuse back that he was getting on the day ?? Think he got just the one goal? Probably did just felt like a hat trick.He probably had 2 assists. They battered us .
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 3, 2021 23:39:41 GMT
He's a total twat and because of that I find it difficult to pass judgement on his football ability.
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Sept 4, 2021 0:06:48 GMT
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Sept 4, 2021 0:06:48 GMT
Great player, great character,
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 4, 2021 7:04:31 GMT
If we were promoted I'd love to see him back for a couple of seasons.
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Post by ravey123 on Sept 4, 2021 8:04:52 GMT
I love the one near the end where he leaves two opposition players to run into each other and end up on the ground while he runs away with the ball. Have to say that shows him to be even better than I remembered. Incredible to think a player of that ability played for Stoke. Thank you Mark Hughes for bringing him here. I know it went tits up towards then end but I will be forever grateful for the 2 or so seasons (so it seems) that we played that scintillating football - Arnie was a big part of that (as were many other players). Before that I could only dream of seeing the team I love play such attacking football. Shame it didn’t last
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 4, 2021 13:26:07 GMT
Liked Arnie alot. The usual moaners would have a go with "he's not at it" today not realising that's he's still one of the best on the pitch. Slightly pissed off when he came to Stoke and scored that hat trick for Wet Sham against us and over celebrated . Suppose he was giving abuse back that he was getting on the day ?? Think he got just the one goal? Yes just one missed a hatful and the crowd was really starting to get to him, a smarter or more streetwise team would have left one on him or given him a little push and the red mist would have come down unfortunately our defence was a registered charity.....
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Post by kidcrewbob on Sept 7, 2021 8:27:54 GMT
If we were promoted I'd love to see him back for a couple of seasons. Yeh - get the old band back together - Arnie, Shaq, Zonz and Bojan - SCFC the twilight years - .......and then I woke up,,,
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