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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 22, 2019 10:21:00 GMT
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Post by citynickscfc on Dec 22, 2019 10:24:59 GMT
Full blown retard mode, nice one stoke, scholes, Santa.... Whoever sense was involved, really really nice
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 22, 2019 10:26:33 GMT
If it's an 18-month loan, you'd hope there was some sort of loan fee.
A straightforward wage dump to save about £2m over this season and next (and that's if they're paying all his wages, which would be a surprise given how cheap Turkish clubs seem to be) appears a complete drop in the ocean to claw back for one of our handful of assets who could actually make a difference on the pitch in a relegation fight - but maybe we are now that desperate because nobody wants any of of the masses of shite we've accumulated, and we've got to take whatever we can to give us any space to add players
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2019 10:28:58 GMT
This seems well worth dropping him for.
Not.
We are run by imbeciles from top to bottom.
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 22, 2019 10:31:53 GMT
It was said Stoke wanted £1M in loan fee and were in no hurry to complete the deal, but time will tell!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2019 10:35:53 GMT
Galatasaray paid 7.5 million for him then sold him to us for 14 million 6 months later then loaned him back 6 months later....and now we loan him out again all the while his value diminshes. You couldn't make this shit up
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Post by werrington on Dec 22, 2019 10:39:29 GMT
Galatasaray paid 7.5 million for him then sold him to us for 14 million 6 months later then loaned him back 6 months later....and now we loan him out again all the while his value diminshes. You couldn't make this shit up By hook or by crook the club needs to get his wage off the books due to FFP mate.....if that’s the only option open they have to go with it
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Dec 22, 2019 10:41:38 GMT
Galatasaray paid 7.5 million for him then sold him to us for 14 million 6 months later then loaned him back 6 months later....and now we loan him out again all the while his value diminshes. You couldn't make this shit up By hook or by crook the club needs to get his wage off the books due to FFP mate.....if that’s the only option open they have to go with it If any of this is true we are run by total numbskulls.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Dec 22, 2019 10:42:49 GMT
Galatasaray paid 7.5 million for him then sold him to us for 14 million 6 months later then loaned him back 6 months later....and now we loan him out again all the while his value diminshes. You couldn't make this shit up By hook or by crook the club needs to get his wage off the books due to FFP mate.....if that’s the only option open they have to go with it Their must be a club out there that would pay 5m for him. We get his wage off the books and a small return. At this rate we will be subsidising his wages and at the end of his contract he'll be off for free. On the surface, this seems the worst deal that the club could have done.
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Post by drippinggoatsnob on Dec 22, 2019 10:45:57 GMT
I've been trying to explain this for weeks and weeks now, but God there's some thick fuckers on here. But that doesn't really explain it, does it? You don't begin the exile of 2 key players months before the transfer window opens and rule them out for 15% of the season. If that really is what is happening, it must be unprecedented. In the case of Etebo, we don't even know there's anything definitively lined up - certainly at any kind of credible price. It does if there are appearance cost involved. We'll never know the finer points of the contract but let nothing surprise us. I still fail to see when we were far superior a team with them in it albeit they are good players. Maybe I'm now in a slash mentally to get something out of this season as the current potion does not work.
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Post by chamberlain on Dec 22, 2019 10:47:55 GMT
As FM and Werrington have said we need to get players out the door ,nobody wants the dross so it's the better players who have to go.Its not ideal and yes it would be nice to get money for Badou but then clubs cant afford a fee and his wages .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2019 10:56:01 GMT
By hook or by crook the club needs to get his wage off the books due to FFP mate.....if that’s the only option open they have to go with it Their must be a club out there that would pay 5m for him. We get his wage off the books and a small return. At this rate we will be subsidising his wages and at the end of his contract he'll be off for free. On the surface, this seems the worst deal that the club could have done. Don't know about the worst, we've still got £18 million Imbula and £15 million Wimmer on the books. Has there been a worse run premier league club in modern times ?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 22, 2019 11:00:43 GMT
As FM and Werrington have said we need to get players out the door ,nobody wants the dross so it's the better players who have to go.Its not ideal and yes it would be nice to get money for Badou but then clubs cant afford a fee and his wages . Still it seems lazy arsed. And let’s get a fee for Allen instead. People seem to want him. He’s on much bigger wages you’d expect and he’s useless. Win win. Loaning him to save a million quid makes no sense to me. Not when there are others who we need to get rid of first.
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Post by adi on Dec 22, 2019 11:02:06 GMT
Preparing for League 1
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Post by chamberlain on Dec 22, 2019 11:12:55 GMT
As FM and Werrington have said we need to get players out the door ,nobody wants the dross so it's the better players who have to go.Its not ideal and yes it would be nice to get money for Badou but then clubs cant afford a fee and his wages . Still it seems lazy arsed. And let’s get a fee for Allen instead. People seem to want him. He’s on much bigger wages you’d expect and he’s useless. Win win. Loaning him to save a million quid makes no sense to me. Not when there are others who we need to get rid of first. Dont get me wrong mate I dont like it but I think everyone is available for whatever we can get for them just to get them off the books
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Post by s7oke on Dec 22, 2019 11:22:21 GMT
Still it seems lazy arsed. And let’s get a fee for Allen instead. People seem to want him. He’s on much bigger wages you’d expect and he’s useless. Win win. Loaning him to save a million quid makes no sense to me. Not when there are others who we need to get rid of first. Dont get me wrong mate I dont like it but I think everyone is available for whatever we can get for them just to get them off the books The thing is though that any half decent club would command a fee no matter what shit they are in !! I know it’s Christmas stoke but FFS we don’t have to be the club that keeps giving !!! We truly are run by a bunch of fucking halfwits.
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Post by chamberlain on Dec 22, 2019 11:31:54 GMT
Dont get me wrong mate I dont like it but I think everyone is available for whatever we can get for them just to get them off the books The thing is though that any half decent club would command a fee no matter what shit they are in !! I know it’s Christmas stoke but FFS we don’t have to be the club that keeps giving !!! We truly are run by a bunch of fucking halfwits. I agree we are a total shambles from top to bottom.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 22, 2019 11:37:42 GMT
Still it seems lazy arsed. And let’s get a fee for Allen instead. People seem to want him. He’s on much bigger wages you’d expect and he’s useless. Win win. Loaning him to save a million quid makes no sense to me. Not when there are others who we need to get rid of first. Dont get me wrong mate I dont like it but I think everyone is available for whatever we can get for them just to get them off the books I don’t think the last accounts painted that gloomy a picture though. What I thought it showed was the need to make more savings with wages obviously but more importantly making a 10m+ profit on transfer fees to cover the hole we need covering. I also don’t get the rush to get it done.
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Post by potterpaul on Dec 22, 2019 11:39:59 GMT
Maybe a TV Documentary income will offset losses for FFP purposes. Pure comedy
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Post by s7oke on Dec 22, 2019 11:45:42 GMT
Dont get me wrong mate I dont like it but I think everyone is available for whatever we can get for them just to get them off the books I don’t think the last accounts painted that gloomy a picture though. What I thought it showed was the need to make more savings with wages obviously but more importantly making a 10m+ profit on transfer fees to cover the hole we need covering. I also don’t get the rush to get it done. I agree too but something is amiss it seems to be panic stations money wise And don’t forget the hole in our squad that needs filling is as big as the Grand Canyon !
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 22, 2019 11:46:00 GMT
Dont get me wrong mate I dont like it but I think everyone is available for whatever we can get for them just to get them off the books I don’t think the last accounts painted that gloomy a picture though. What I thought it showed was the need to make more savings with wages obviously but more importantly making a 10m+ profit on transfer fees to cover the hole we need covering. I also don’t get the rush to get it done. We can only lose 23.6 million in the next 2 seasons so a firesale now is the only thing the club could do I’d imagine and even then I’d suggest we’ll struggle to make it within those FFP guidelines. I was told a few weeks ago the club have looked into doing what Sheff Wed,Derby and Villa have done with the ground but whether that happens I’m not sure.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2019 11:51:00 GMT
I don’t think the last accounts painted that gloomy a picture though. What I thought it showed was the need to make more savings with wages obviously but more importantly making a 10m+ profit on transfer fees to cover the hole we need covering. I also don’t get the rush to get it done. We can only lose 23.6 million in the next 2 seasons so a firesale now is the only thing the club could do I’d imagine and even then I’d suggest we’ll struggle to make it within those FFP guidelines. I was told a few weeks ago the club have looked into doing what Sheff Wed,Derby and Villa have done with the ground but whether that happens I’m not sure. They can buy my effing seat off me for a kick off.
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Post by chamberlain on Dec 22, 2019 11:57:01 GMT
We can only lose 23.6 million in the next 2 seasons so a firesale now is the only thing the club could do I’d imagine and even then I’d suggest we’ll struggle to make it within those FFP guidelines. I was told a few weeks ago the club have looked into doing what Sheff Wed,Derby and Villa have done with the ground but whether that happens I’m not sure. They can buy my effing seat off me for a kick off. Cant really afford to buy it off you,but they can do an 18 month loan
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 22, 2019 11:58:10 GMT
I don’t think the last accounts painted that gloomy a picture though. What I thought it showed was the need to make more savings with wages obviously but more importantly making a 10m+ profit on transfer fees to cover the hole we need covering. I also don’t get the rush to get it done. We can only lose 23.6 million in the next 2 seasons so a firesale now is the only thing the club could do I’d imagine and even then I’d suggest we’ll struggle to make it within those FFP guidelines. I was told a few weeks ago the club have looked into doing what Sheff Wed,Derby and Villa have done with the ground but whether that happens I’m not sure. That really doesn’t worry me, that a lot better than I expected actually.
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Post by lordb on Dec 22, 2019 11:59:55 GMT
If it's an 18-month loan, you'd hope there was some sort of loan fee. A straightforward wage dump to save about £2m over this season and next (and that's if they're paying all his wages, which would be a surprise given how cheap Turkish clubs seem to be) appears a complete drop in the ocean to claw back for one of our handful of assets who could actually make a difference on the pitch in a relegation fight - but maybe we are now that desperate because nobody wants any of of the masses of shite we've accumulated, and we've got to take whatever we can to give us any space to add players To be fair there is always a loan fee, even when loaning kids out to Leek Town (incidentally this is the reason no youngsters have been loaned to Vale, they have always refused to pay). This deal has gone very quickly. Loan fee might be reasonably decent (£2m?) Plus them paying his wages. Still think we should have waited for interest from likes of Shalke to materialise.
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Post by Absolution on Dec 22, 2019 12:01:26 GMT
If the deal is as reported, then isn't this just giving other clubs the green light to make derisory bids for our other saleable players (if you can truly label any of them in that way)?
I mean Badou must be worth at a bare minimum £5m, yet we seem to have been panicked or bullied into loaning him out at the earliest opportunity.
Expect imminent £2m bids for players like Allen, Etebo and Butland.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 22, 2019 12:25:16 GMT
This is the thing that’s always baffled me in respect to transfer policy. There’s just no consistency some players we’ll ask way too much (Allen) and others we’ll give away (Badou). And it’s the same with buying for silly money Imbula, Wimmer, Berahino then we’ll argue the toss over 1m for decent players that we miss out on.
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Post by nonameface on Dec 22, 2019 12:28:04 GMT
Loaned instead of sold because of FFP surely.
If he's sold for less than the amortised value, which he would be, it would crystallise a loss on the accounts. So getting £5m etc isn't helpful, it actually makes things worse than keeping him.
If he's loaned for 18 months it gets rid of his wages and doesn't crystallise a loss.
This is what means we may loan lots of players, will sell players who have FFP value, even if it's marginal gains.
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Post by Miles Offside on Dec 22, 2019 16:22:47 GMT
Legacy.
We have to let our better players go because we can't get rid of the likes of Imbula and Wimmer, who are draining a fortune out of the club every week.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 22, 2019 17:07:00 GMT
Legacy. We have to let our better players go because we can't get rid of the likes of Imbula and Wimmer, who are draining a fortune out of the club every week. That's true but we have had 4 windows and £70million to assemble a Championship side. Massive failings all around.
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