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Post by lordb on Dec 21, 2019 12:37:51 GMT
Surely it's obvious to everyone that the manager isn't playing Badou and Etebo not because he thinks the others are better but because they are off. Whether that's his choice or not is the question.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2019 12:56:00 GMT
Anythings possible with a bloke who thinks 4-3-3 is the answer with this bunch of shitehawks.
He only has too see how McClean n Ince as part of a 3 did for Rowett last year.
Fucking abysmal and the definition of madness is doing the same old shit and expecting different results.
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Post by wuzza on Dec 21, 2019 12:57:07 GMT
Sums my feelings up completely. I go to games through habit now and nothing else - I’ve seen it all before and this time it feels just plain miserable. Wuzza The additional thing with me is that I don't really watch any football apart from Stoke City (despite having the Sky Sports package). Over the years we've had other dismal periods but its been a sort of inane sense of duty to go to support the club through its tough times. In addition its the only place that I see some friends now and also go to meet them. As time goes by we all get older and more and more of our friends stop going for various reasons (family, ill health, moving away etc). This removes part of the reason to attend for me too. I hate (and hated whilst we were there) the "americanisation" of Premier League coverage and insane wages so if/when I do not renew my season ticket (it will be my 40th season ticket next season) that wil probably be me done for good. Again I know exactly where you are coming from. My dads not well enough to attend anymore so my journey down to the Potteries is a lonely one now and then when you throw in the cold miserable borefest the games have become I just can’t find the motivation. Ive done about 45 years but it really isn’t going to last much longer. I remain interested in Stoke and all the goings on but the actual matches are a chore - and again like you my interest in football in general has whittled away to virtually nothing. If I do watch a game on Sky it’s usually a testament to how crap the options are on other channels. Wish I could be more positive but it’s the way I’m feeling about it all.
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Post by sportsman on Dec 21, 2019 12:57:46 GMT
Surely it's obvious to everyone that the manager isn't playing Badou and Etebo not because he thinks the others are better but because they are off. Whether that's his choice or not is the question. I've been trying to explain this for weeks and weeks now, but God there's some thick fuckers on here.
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 21, 2019 13:01:12 GMT
Surely it's obvious to everyone that the manager isn't playing Badou and Etebo not because he thinks the others are better but because they are off. Whether that's his choice or not is the question. I've been trying to explain this for weeks and weeks now, but God there's some thick fuckers on here. But that doesn't really explain it, does it? You don't begin the exile of 2 key players months before the transfer window opens and rule them out for 15% of the season. If that really is what is happening, it must be unprecedented. In the case of Etebo, we don't even know there's anything definitively lined up - certainly at any kind of credible price.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2019 13:02:50 GMT
Surely it's obvious to everyone that the manager isn't playing Badou and Etebo not because he thinks the others are better but because they are off. Whether that's his choice or not is the question. I've been trying to explain this for weeks and weeks now, but God there's some thick fuckers on here. There may be some thick fuckers on here but they're in good company with an incompetent board and a manager who although early days is already showing signs of being as hopelessly out of his depth as his predecessor.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 21, 2019 13:03:16 GMT
Surely it's obvious to everyone that the manager isn't playing Badou and Etebo not because he thinks the others are better but because they are off. Whether that's his choice or not is the question. I've been trying to explain this for weeks and weeks now, but God there's some thick fuckers on here. It makes no sense though. What club does this? None. Especially when the deal for one of them is absolutely awful it seems. And whose picking the side? The board or the manager? Because I’ve been told some stories along these lines before.....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2019 13:04:54 GMT
Does anyone else find it strange that NDiaye and Etebo share the same agent and NDiaye keeps on getting loaned out?
I'd love some probing questions to be asked.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2019 13:08:40 GMT
Does anyone else find it strange that NDiaye and Etebo share the same agent and NDiaye keeps on getting loaned out? I'd love some probing questions to be asked. Wouldn't we all, but we all know that with this board no answers will ever be forthcoming or any previous lessons learned.
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Post by Fred Merger on Dec 21, 2019 14:55:47 GMT
I've been trying to explain this for weeks and weeks now, but God there's some thick fuckers on here. It makes no sense though. What club does this? None. Especially when the deal for one of them is absolutely awful it seems. And whose picking the side? The board or the manager? Because I’ve been told some stories along these lines before..... weren't there stories in the early days of Rowetts reign that Scholes was trying to get him to play Bauer after giving him an improved contract?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 21, 2019 15:15:13 GMT
It makes no sense though. What club does this? None. Especially when the deal for one of them is absolutely awful it seems. And whose picking the side? The board or the manager? Because I’ve been told some stories along these lines before..... weren't there stories in the early days of Rowetts reign that Scholes was trying to get him to play Bauer after giving him an improved contract? He didn’t try too hard given he allowed him to sign another right back we didn’t need.
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Post by Fred Merger on Dec 21, 2019 15:35:21 GMT
weren't there stories in the early days of Rowetts reign that Scholes was trying to get him to play Bauer after giving him an improved contract? He didn’t try too hard given he allowed him to sign another right back we didn’t need. Well we did as Bauer was loaned out and Edwards is a fucking liability. Although it could be argued we signed the wrong one.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 21, 2019 15:36:36 GMT
He didn’t try too hard given he allowed him to sign another right back we didn’t need. Well we did as Bauer was loaned out and Edwards is a fucking liability. Although it could be argued we signed the wrong one. Bauer wasn’t loaned out while Rowett was here.
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Post by Fred Merger on Dec 21, 2019 15:42:41 GMT
Well we did as Bauer was loaned out and Edwards is a fucking liability. Although it could be argued we signed the wrong one. Bauer wasn’t loaned out while Rowett was here. No sorry I thought you were on about Tommy Smith. You mean him from Everton on loan.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 21, 2019 15:43:56 GMT
No loan fee.
Well done Tone.
Prick.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 21, 2019 15:46:00 GMT
Bauer wasn’t loaned out while Rowett was here. No sorry I thought you were on about Tommy Smith. You mean him from Everton on loan. Martina yeah. Who was worse than either of them. Nice one Gaz.
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Post by Miles Offside on Dec 21, 2019 16:07:49 GMT
It looks fairly certain that Badou and Etebo are off in January.
Then we've got to be realistic about the type of players we can attract in, given that we're now a bottom of the Championship side in a dire relegation battle.
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 21, 2019 16:16:04 GMT
No loan fee. Well done Tone. Prick. I wouldn't be stunned. But, at the same time, I certainly wouldn't take any Turkish sources to the bank. In the absence of facts, they just make them up, as we know. I just don't get the urgency to lose him for the sake of a few hundred thousand in wages. If it was an obligatory sale in the summer, you could at least make a case. In the absence of that , it just makes no sense at all because that won't make any dent in our financial black hole and will cost us a potentially big player in a relegation fight. If that's all that's on the table, he stays and we have no decision to make I'll be fascinated to see what any fee is for Etebo. Unless there's English interest, we'd probably be wise to prepare for a shitty loan.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Dec 21, 2019 16:18:28 GMT
Does anyone else find it strange that NDiaye and Etebo share the same agent and NDiaye keeps on getting loaned out? I'd love some probing questions to be asked. You only have to mention the word agent and you know the situation - stinks to high heaven. They milk the system, screw the clubs. Distasteful gobshites - is there a decent one out there?
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Post by Fred Ferret on Dec 21, 2019 16:23:30 GMT
Have the Airline got some effective slime remover?
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Post by serpico on Dec 21, 2019 16:30:12 GMT
every decision the club has made the last 3 years has been total dog dirt, what has happened ? for the best part of a decade they could do no wrong, now it just seems like a constant stream of idiotic decisions.
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Post by rawli on Dec 21, 2019 16:30:31 GMT
I think we're so desperate to get him off the wage bill we'll let him go for peanuts. Sounds very much like we're on the cusp of getting points deducted if we don't make these tough decisions. Blame Rowett and Jones for this shit storm. They only shoulder some of the blame. The majority lies with John Coates a multi multi millionaire courtesy of his fathers sperm and his sisters brains. He is the luckiest man alive.
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Post by rawli on Dec 21, 2019 16:31:38 GMT
Surely it's obvious to everyone that the manager isn't playing Badou and Etebo not because he thinks the others are better but because they are off. Whether that's his choice or not is the question. It can't be his choice.
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Post by rawli on Dec 21, 2019 16:33:02 GMT
every decision the club has made the last 3 years has been total dog dirt, what has happened ? for the best part of a decade they could do no wrong, now it just seems like a constant stream of idiotic decisions. Disagree. They brought contactless in. Admittedly it was after most market stalls had done so.
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Post by xchpotter on Dec 21, 2019 16:34:36 GMT
every decision the club has made the last 3 years has been total dog dirt, what has happened ? for the best part of a decade they could do no wrong, now it just seems like a constant stream of idiotic decisions. Poor decision making starts at the top. Coates has lost the plot. The whole lot need to ship out.
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Post by serpico on Dec 21, 2019 16:39:06 GMT
every decision the club has made the last 3 years has been total dog dirt, what has happened ? for the best part of a decade they could do no wrong, now it just seems like a constant stream of idiotic decisions. Poor decision making starts at the top. Coates has lost the plot. The whole lot need to ship out. to be replaced by who though ? i don't see many multi billionaires lining up to buy stoke. Its just been a constant downward spiral since after that 3rd Hughes season.
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Post by xchpotter on Dec 21, 2019 16:52:37 GMT
Poor decision making starts at the top. Coates has lost the plot. The whole lot need to ship out. to be replaced by who though ? i don't see many multi billionaires lining up to buy stoke. Its just been a constant downward spiral since after that 3rd Hughes season. It won’t need a billionaire. The way the club is heading and the subsequent devaluing of it, we are entering the realm of us starting to look attractive as an investment. Maybe that’s what needs to happen....a realignment of the entire club around value and ownership. It will be painful as it means we go to League 1, but the disease in the club is so bad it is the only way.
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Post by rawli on Dec 21, 2019 17:12:21 GMT
to be replaced by who though ? i don't see many multi billionaires lining up to buy stoke. Its just been a constant downward spiral since after that 3rd Hughes season. It won’t need a billionaire. The way the club is heading and the subsequent devaluing of it, we are entering the realm of us starting to look attractive as an investment. Maybe that’s what needs to happen....a realignment of the entire club around value and ownership. It will be painful as it means we go to League 1, but the disease in the club is so bad it is the only way. They'll never let go of the club.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2019 17:16:06 GMT
It won’t need a billionaire. The way the club is heading and the subsequent devaluing of it, we are entering the realm of us starting to look attractive as an investment. Maybe that’s what needs to happen....a realignment of the entire club around value and ownership. It will be painful as it means we go to League 1, but the disease in the club is so bad it is the only way. They'll never let go of the club. They can keep it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2019 17:21:02 GMT
£140 million in debt to the holding company. They'd have to write that off to sell but that's just a drop in the ocean for BET365 and their creative accountants
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