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Post by wolfinsheepsclothing on Dec 16, 2019 13:26:19 GMT
Ince may not have, but Vokes and Clucas both made runs only to be ignored. Ince is so overly one footed and on the wrong side, I could defend against him at 62! The incident in the second half when he literally got stuck in the corner because he could not/would not use his right foot would have been comical if it wasn’t so annoying of a professional sportsman. Vokes made runs?!? Let's not get carried away now, you sure it wasn't just a quicker than usual amble? By run I did mean as in move towards the opposition..... I take your point 😂 needs to lose at least a stone IMO
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Post by mamasgloves on Dec 16, 2019 13:56:39 GMT
No, was this season against Forest I think He set up a goal at Man C in the 7-2 Jese assisted Diouf's and the 2nd was an OG from Walker after Diouf's header came back off the post against him and in. Edwards was hooked around the 50 min mark having made just 6 passes, the lowest of any player on the pitch.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 14:04:38 GMT
He set up a goal at Man C in the 7-2 Jese assisted Diouf's and the 2nd was an OG from Walker after Diouf's header came back off the post against him and in. Edwards was hooked around the 50 min mark having made just 6 passes, the lowest of any player on the pitch. And who put the cross in for Diouf ? He was 'hooked' because he was injured
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 14:32:43 GMT
Vokes made runs?!? Let's not get carried away now, you sure it wasn't just a quicker than usual amble? By run I did mean as in move towards the opposition..... I take your point 😂 needs to lose at least a stone IMO Vokes or Edwards.
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Post by mamasgloves on Dec 16, 2019 14:42:04 GMT
Jese assisted Diouf's and the 2nd was an OG from Walker after Diouf's header came back off the post against him and in. Edwards was hooked around the 50 min mark having made just 6 passes, the lowest of any player on the pitch. And who put the cross in for Diouf ? He was 'hooked' because he was injured Edwards crossed for Diouf whose effort was off target so no assist?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 14:50:08 GMT
And who put the cross in for Diouf ? He was 'hooked' because he was injured Edwards crossed for Diouf whose effort was off target so no assist? 😂😂😂 Clutching at straws or what
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 16, 2019 14:52:21 GMT
Assist stats are nonsense. I could put 20 excellent crosses into the box, and if the forward has a head like a 50p piece and doesn’t convert any, I get 0 assists. Conversely a defender could hit an aimless clearance up the pitch and if a forward runs into it and scores, it’s an assist.
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Post by mamasgloves on Dec 16, 2019 15:08:19 GMT
Edwards crossed for Diouf whose effort was off target so no assist? 😂😂😂 Clutching at straws or what Yes, you were a bit 1 assist, feel free to check the opta stats 👍
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 15:13:24 GMT
😂😂😂 Clutching at straws or what Yes, you were a bit 1 assist, feel free to check the opta stats 👍 I couldn't give a shit about the stats, Edward's crossed the ball for the goal,as I said. Now go and play somewhere else, you're boring me
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 15:32:34 GMT
Hitting a 60yd pass to the fullback on the other side......well behind him actually....is not really making something happen.....and there were players in forward positions he could have passed to There wasn’t a player forward all game to hit a pass to! The movement was shocking. And it isn’t I agree but that’s the sort of shit he clearly felt forced to try. How come you’re so different in your approach to player reviews when it’s a young academy lad? You seem to be blaming everyone but Edwards, it’s all the other players fault and now even the fans fault he’s gash. You keep ignoring the fact that several times Ince made runs or called for the ball and Edwards proceeded to go backwards. Don’t believe me watch the game again. Also the few times Edwards attempted a forward pass they were pathetic as they were easy balls. He’s a big boy, he’s not a child. The fact is he isn’t particularly quick, he can’t beat his man. He’s regularly out of position defensively, has been the focal point of many goals against us as he’s been targeted. Also this mean cross we hear about is non existent. You’re right though, not much changed when Smith came in, although he got forward more... so yeah a wasted sub but still doesn’t take away what a poor footballer is Edwards is, just like all our full backs.
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Post by stokesupporter on Dec 16, 2019 15:35:02 GMT
Smith was miles better and a lot more positive than Tom Backwards.
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Post by mamasgloves on Dec 16, 2019 16:35:30 GMT
Yes, you were a bit 1 assist, feel free to check the opta stats 👍 I couldn't give a shit about the stats, Edward's crossed the ball for the goal,as I said. Now go and play somewhere else, you're boring me You don't give a shit but tried to prove he had an assist when he didn't and went digging up clips to prove yourself wrong? 🤣
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Post by roylandstoke on Dec 16, 2019 16:46:10 GMT
The best FB at the club is currently Stephen Ward.
Says it all really.
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Post by wolfinsheepsclothing on Dec 16, 2019 17:22:29 GMT
By run I did mean as in move towards the opposition..... I take your point 😂 needs to lose at least a stone IMO Vokes or Edwards. Vokes to both
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Post by Miles Offside on Dec 16, 2019 19:24:09 GMT
Edwards is a young lad with a lot of promise, but it's doing him no favours playing in this set-up (or any other of our players, come to that). If we're going to play Edwards it should be right side of midfield, with Smith behind him at RB. Edwards right side of midfield. Seriously?? And while we’re on the subject I find it totally incomprehensible that simply because he’s a local lad and still (relatively) young we should not show displeasure with his totally ineffective performances. In a season and a half watching Championship football this time around, I can’t bring to mind a worse right back. Wake up and smell the coffee, Edwards isn’t good enough and I dare say, never will be. The coffee smells good and absolutely I'm serious. It was only a few months ago many were asking on here why we needed to sign Smith for £4.5M when we had a perfectly good RB in Edwards. Edwards's game (and confidence) has been ruined by poor management, line-ups and tactics. When he's on his game he's possibly the best crosser at the club. Take some of the defensive responsibilities off him and Edwards could play as a right midfielder in a 4-4-2 in front of Smith at RB.
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Post by Championship Potter on Dec 16, 2019 19:46:40 GMT
He’s been a more or less constant factor in our decline from a solid Prem team to one that is currently in the Championship relegation zone. Even then, our best Championship spell came with Cuco in the team ahead of him. His win/loss % for us must be atrocious. Needs to buck his ideas up fast.
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Post by Davef on Dec 16, 2019 20:23:21 GMT
He’s been a more or less constant factor in our decline from a solid Prem team to one that is currently in the Championship relegation zone. Even then, our best Championship spell came with Cuco in the team ahead of him. His win/loss % for us must be atrocious. Needs to buck his ideas up fast. We weren't a solid Prem team when he made his debut.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 16, 2019 21:02:34 GMT
This. There's quality in there somewhere and he displayed this when he first broke into the team & you don't get the England Under whatever caps without having something about you. But he's definitely changed for the worse recently and it's affected him both physically & mentally. Whatever it is I hope he's determined & smart enough to work it out & fix it. Hopefully the crowd not getting on his back would be a start. The cross field ball people have mentioned came from crowd pressure. The only ball on was to Butland but could you have imagined the reaction? He tried to make something happen and yeah it was bollocks but that solely came from crowd pressure. Hold on - on another thread you were advocating booing the players - or is it just the players you give us position to boo? As to the cross field ball from hell being the crowds fault - seriously? We've got a player on the pitch who is working out what will please the crowd before making a pass? If that's why he did it O'Neil had to take him off. We created far more going forward down the right second half. On that performance Smith has to keep his place and Edwards needs some time out of the team to get his head and game together. I genuinely want to see Edwards succeed - but he's got to earn his place rather than assume he'll get in because he's young and from our academy.
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Post by neckender78 on Dec 16, 2019 21:03:47 GMT
He’s been a more or less constant factor in our decline from a solid Prem team to one that is currently in the Championship relegation zone. Even then, our best Championship spell came with Cuco in the team ahead of him. His win/loss % for us must be atrocious. Needs to buck his ideas up fast. Cuco Martina was one of the worst players I have ever seen at Stoke and that says something with the shit on offer in recent times. Tom could play with a broken leg and still offer more than that imposter could. Tom's performances have regressed this season and I think he is low on confidence with the shower of shit around him. Senior pros should help young players, what a shower of shit Tom has got, the spineless Ince infront of him offers fuck all help defensively or offensively. Maybe Ryan' return will help Tom.
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Post by Championship Potter on Dec 16, 2019 21:06:46 GMT
He’s been a more or less constant factor in our decline from a solid Prem team to one that is currently in the Championship relegation zone. Even then, our best Championship spell came with Cuco in the team ahead of him. His win/loss % for us must be atrocious. Needs to buck his ideas up fast. We weren't a solid Prem team when he made his debut. Yeah that’s probably fair although that City game was probably when it first dawned on me that that rather than being a good team on a poor run, we were looking like we could be in a relegation dogfight. Throwing an 18 year old into an already struggling team never seemed a great idea to me.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 16, 2019 21:36:36 GMT
Hopefully the crowd not getting on his back would be a start. The cross field ball people have mentioned came from crowd pressure. The only ball on was to Butland but could you have imagined the reaction? He tried to make something happen and yeah it was bollocks but that solely came from crowd pressure. Hold on - on another thread you were advocating booing the players - or is it just the players you give us position to boo? As to the cross field ball from hell being the crowds fault - seriously? We've got a player on the pitch who is working out what will please the crowd before making a pass? If that's why he did it O'Neil had to take him off. We created far more going forward down the right second half. On that performance Smith has to keep his place and Edwards needs some time out of the team to get his head and game together. I genuinely want to see Edwards succeed - but he's got to earn his place rather than assume he'll get in because he's young and from our academy. The sub changed absolutely sod all. Alls it did was hinder the manager later on in the game.
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Post by LankyPotter on Dec 16, 2019 21:54:26 GMT
The best FB at the club is currently Stephen Ward. Says it all really. This made me throw up and its probably correct.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 21:58:02 GMT
The best FB at the club is currently Stephen Ward. Says it all really. This made me throw up and its probably correct. Were there bits of carrot in it?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 16, 2019 22:00:00 GMT
The best FB at the club is currently Stephen Ward. Says it all really. This made me throw up and its probably correct. He was awful on Saturday and the left was the real issue of the game. Their half chances all came down the left and Ward was as bad as anyone going forward.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 22:20:13 GMT
Ward is awful. His body isn't capable of doing what his mind thinks it can. This will be his last season as a footballer, he's spent
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 16, 2019 22:20:53 GMT
Hopefully the crowd not getting on his back would be a start. The cross field ball people have mentioned came from crowd pressure. The only ball on was to Butland but could you have imagined the reaction? He tried to make something happen and yeah it was bollocks but that solely came from crowd pressure. We created far more going forward down the right second half. We created fuck all. Not one shot on target.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 16, 2019 22:21:53 GMT
The best FB at the club is currently Stephen Ward. Says it all really. This made me throw up and its probably correct. This made me throw up because it's nonsense!
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Post by LankyPotter on Dec 16, 2019 22:22:14 GMT
This made me throw up and its probably correct. He was awful on Saturday and the left was the real issue of the game. Their half chances all came down the left and Ward was as bad as anyone going forward. He is toss - wasn’t good enough when he was 24, but edwards and smith are as poor atm. Its just a shite squad.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 16, 2019 22:24:40 GMT
He was awful on Saturday and the left was the real issue of the game. Their half chances all came down the left and Ward was as bad as anyone going forward. He is toss - wasn’t good enough when he was 24, but edwards and smith are as poor atm. Its just a shite squad. Ward is worse than both. Indi has to be play there.
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