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Post by wolfinsheepsclothing on Dec 15, 2019 17:45:53 GMT
IMO, Edwards asked for the stick with consistently failing to make a quick pass. He would hesitate, stop, hesitate again and then only have the option of a backward pass left. This happened numerous times and MON clearly wasnāt too happy on the touch line. It maybe confidence, but his body language says āso whatā.
I though Smith looked a better option.
As for runs, 2 or 3 players were making runs and going mad when the ball didnāt come. Thereās only so many times they will do that.
The throw in malarkey is a joke for which they are all responsible.
Our throws, no bugger makes a sensible run. Then, the throw itself is either bounces up round their ears or fired at their feet. Basic yet poor.
Opposition throws, we NEVER mark tight and simply let them have the ball.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 17:47:13 GMT
The problem with Tom Edwards is the lazy bastard in front of him. Never gives him the option of a ball down the line cause Ince is shit scared of his own shadow let alone a left full back. Anyone who plays right fullback, with Ince in front of them, will look poor. Yes he does give him an option Iām not defending Ince or slating Edwards but cmon eh stop making stuff up Iām not making things up. Name me one (yes one) occasion when Ince has offered to take the ball on the run so he can beat his fullback. He simply doesnāt. He offers for the ball so he pass it straight back. Iām not saying Edwards is blameless, Iām not, but whoever plays at Right Back always has the same problem.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 15, 2019 17:49:17 GMT
Hopefully the crowd not getting on his back would be a start. The cross field ball people have mentioned came from crowd pressure. The only ball on was to Butland but could you have imagined the reaction? He tried to make something happen and yeah it was bollocks but that solely came from crowd pressure. Hitting a 60yd pass to the fullback on the other side......well behind him actually....is not really making something happen.....and there were players in forward positions he could have passed to There wasnāt a player forward all game to hit a pass to! The movement was shocking. And it isnāt I agree but thatās the sort of shit he clearly felt forced to try.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 15, 2019 17:50:30 GMT
It was a waste of a sub. The issues stemmed from zero movement in front of him. They didnāt. Several times he had the opportunity to run outside Charlie and didnāt take it. And that is poor but it happened about twice. No other fucker in the side took a man all game either š
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 15, 2019 17:56:15 GMT
IMO, Edwards asked for the stick with consistently failing to make a quick pass. He would hesitate, stop, hesitate again and then only have the option of a backward pass left. This happened numerous times and MON clearly wasnāt too happy on the touch line. It maybe confidence, but his body language says āso whatā. I though Smith looked a better option. As for runs, 2 or 3 players were making runs and going mad when the ball didnāt come. Thereās only so many times they will do that. The throw in malarkey is a joke for which they are all responsible. Our throws, no bugger makes a sensible run. Then, the throw itself is either bounces up round their ears or fired at their feet. Basic yet poor. Opposition throws, we NEVER mark tight and simply let them have the ball. It maybe I'm over analysing things because we've become so shit but throw ins is a bug bear of mine. Yesterday no-one was making themselves available, no-one wanted to take the responsibility of receiving the ball and were hiding behind markers. I've watched two premier league games today and in those games players from both sides are making movements to receive the ball. We've gone from a decent premier league team to journeymen footballers who don't even want to make themselves available to receive a throw.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 15, 2019 18:01:37 GMT
IMO, Edwards asked for the stick with consistently failing to make a quick pass. He would hesitate, stop, hesitate again and then only have the option of a backward pass left. This happened numerous times and MON clearly wasnāt too happy on the touch line. It maybe confidence, but his body language says āso whatā. I though Smith looked a better option. As for runs, 2 or 3 players were making runs and going mad when the ball didnāt come. Thereās only so many times they will do that. The throw in malarkey is a joke for which they are all responsible. Our throws, no bugger makes a sensible run. Then, the throw itself is either bounces up round their ears or fired at their feet. Basic yet poor. Opposition throws, we NEVER mark tight and simply let them have the ball. It maybe I'm over analysing things because we've become so shit but throw ins is a bug bear of mine. Yesterday no-one was making themselves available, no-one wanted to take the responsibility of receiving the ball and were hiding behind markers. I've watched two premier league games today and in those games players from both sides are making movements to receive the ball. We've gone from a decent premier league team to journeymen footballers who don't even want to make themselves available to receive a throw. It was a joke. There wasnāt one throw that was quick or had anyone move before at least 5 seconds of the taker holding the ball. Then their best chance comes down the left hand side (a bigger issue than the right all game imo) from a throw that was taken really quickly. Itās not just the players either, canāt we afford ball boys? Where the fuck have they all gone?
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 15, 2019 18:42:58 GMT
He just needs taking out of the limelight now for a short while. Give Smith a run and then look to get him back in after the Christmas period.
Heās definitely gone backwards, but sadly Stoke fans have always given our youth players a hard time, and that doesnāt seem to be changing with young Tom. The poor lad was visibly wilting towards the end of the first half.
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 15, 2019 19:45:35 GMT
He just needs taking out of the limelight now for a short while. Give Smith a run and then look to get him back in after the Christmas period. Heās definitely gone backwards, but sadly Stoke fans have always given our youth players a hard time, and that doesnāt seem to be changing with young Tom. The poor lad was visibly wilting towards the end of the first half. It won't have helped being subbed. Yes he wasn't having a good game but he certainly wasn't having a mare and there were more pressing issues further up the pitch. It was an unnecessary substitution and most definitely a waste.
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Post by sneydgreenstokie1 on Dec 15, 2019 19:49:06 GMT
I think I would have replaced Ince at half time with Diouf. Smith could have then started against Boro. Having said that, the slowness of our throws is disgraceful
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Post by Miles Offside on Dec 15, 2019 19:57:34 GMT
Edwards is a young lad with a lot of promise, but it's doing him no favours playing in this set-up (or any other of our players, come to that).
If we're going to play Edwards it should be right side of midfield, with Smith behind him at RB.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Dec 15, 2019 21:08:24 GMT
Edwards is a young lad with a lot of promise, but it's doing him no favours playing in this set-up (or any other of our players, come to that). If we're going to play Edwards it should be right side of midfield, with Smith behind him at RB. Edwards right side of midfield. Seriously?? And while weāre on the subject I find it totally incomprehensible that simply because heās a local lad and still (relatively) young we should not show displeasure with his totally ineffective performances. In a season and a half watching Championship football this time around, I canāt bring to mind a worse right back. Wake up and smell the coffee, Edwards isnāt good enough and I dare say, never will be.
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Post by UsAndThem on Dec 15, 2019 22:14:48 GMT
Never seen a player so scared in possession of the ball in the attacking half. Couldnāt wait to get rid of the ball. looked lacking in confidence. There was countless opportunities to get at their full back but he just froze and passed back
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 22:23:20 GMT
Edwards is a young lad with a lot of promise, but it's doing him no favours playing in this set-up (or any other of our players, come to that). If we're going to play Edwards it should be right side of midfield, with Smith behind him at RB. Edwards right side of midfield. Seriously?? And while weāre on the subject I find it totally incomprehensible that simply because heās a local lad and still (relatively) young we should not show displeasure with his totally ineffective performances. In a season and a half watching Championship football this time around, I canāt bring to mind a worse right back. Wake up and smell the coffee, Edwards isnāt good enough and I dare say, never will be. He is not performing currently, and hasnāt for some time. However, when his form is good, he is a good enough player for this division. To strike him off as ānever being good enoughā is a bit arrogant, he has plenty of time to improve. He doesnāt have to be first choice rb to do this however, especially if not playing at his best!
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Post by newsteadst3 on Dec 15, 2019 22:28:01 GMT
He's only 20 so we may need be patient. However he looks heavy and not sure how well he looks after himself hence the dip in form and his pace not being what it was. Smith is a better option at this stage I'd say. But if Edwards can dedicate himself to it he does have some ability, so who knows
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Post by wilcopotter on Dec 15, 2019 22:30:31 GMT
Never seen a player so scared in possession of the ball in the attacking half. Couldnāt wait to get rid of the ball. looked lacking in confidence. There was countless opportunities to get at their full back but he just froze and passed back Surely you must be talking about Ince.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 22:34:13 GMT
Doesn't look fit to me, and his overall play lacks energy and sharpness.
I could be wrong but he strikes me as someone who thinks he's made it rather someone who wants to bust a gut to go further in the game....
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Post by Rt Hon Reverend Luvpump on Dec 15, 2019 22:47:16 GMT
Thereās only so many times you attack to pass to ince for him to give you back before you realise itās pointless,in short drop ince play someone else there see what happens.
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Post by lordb on Dec 15, 2019 22:58:25 GMT
IMO, Edwards asked for the stick with consistently failing to make a quick pass. He would hesitate, stop, hesitate again and then only have the option of a backward pass left. This happened numerous times and MON clearly wasnāt too happy on the touch line. It maybe confidence, but his body language says āso whatā. I though Smith looked a better option. As for runs, 2 or 3 players were making runs and going mad when the ball didnāt come. Thereās only so many times they will do that. The throw in malarkey is a joke for which they are all responsible. Our throws, no bugger makes a sensible run. Then, the throw itself is either bounces up round their ears or fired at their feet. Basic yet poor. Opposition throws, we NEVER mark tight and simply let them have the ball. He stopped and hesitated to make the forward pass because every time he looked up Ince was hiding behind the fullback or drifting towards Vokes. Not once did Ince make himself available in space in the right wing. Until we have an actual right winger none of our right backs will look any good.
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Post by wolfinsheepsclothing on Dec 16, 2019 7:51:52 GMT
IMO, Edwards asked for the stick with consistently failing to make a quick pass. He would hesitate, stop, hesitate again and then only have the option of a backward pass left. This happened numerous times and MON clearly wasnāt too happy on the touch line. It maybe confidence, but his body language says āso whatā. I though Smith looked a better option. As for runs, 2 or 3 players were making runs and going mad when the ball didnāt come. Thereās only so many times they will do that. The throw in malarkey is a joke for which they are all responsible. Our throws, no bugger makes a sensible run. Then, the throw itself is either bounces up round their ears or fired at their feet. Basic yet poor. Opposition throws, we NEVER mark tight and simply let them have the ball. He stopped and hesitated to make the forward pass because every time he looked up Ince was hiding behind the fullback or drifting towards Vokes. Not once did Ince make himself available in space in the right wing. Until we have an actual right winger none of our right backs will look any good. Ince may not have, but Vokes and Clucas both made runs only to be ignored. Ince is so overly one footed and on the wrong side, I could defend against him at 62! The incident in the second half when he literally got stuck in the corner because he could not/would not use his right foot would have been comical if it wasnāt so annoying of a professional sportsman.
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Post by mamasgloves on Dec 16, 2019 8:51:36 GMT
He constantly misses the run of Ince, it also happened with Diouf the other day who bollocked him for doing exactly the same.
And seeing as bayern didn't answer how many assists "the best crosser at the club" has in his Stoke career I looked it up myself. It's 1 in nearly 50 games. Bruno has 2 already this season.
He's nowhere near as good as folk think. As someone else said, imagine if it was Smith putting in the same performances/making the same mistakes, he'd get crucified.
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Post by Northy on Dec 16, 2019 8:53:23 GMT
The new contract going well then
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 9:06:23 GMT
He constantly misses the run of Ince, it also happened with Diouf the other day who bollocked him for doing exactly the same. And seeing as bayern didn't answer how many assists "the best crosser at the club" has in his Stoke career I looked it up myself. It's 1 in nearly 50 games. Bruno has 2 already this season. He's nowhere near as good as folk think. As someone else said, imagine if it was Smith putting in the same performances/making the same mistakes, he'd get crucified. That would be at Man C then . Wasn't that his debut ?
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Post by Gods on Dec 16, 2019 9:10:19 GMT
He constantly misses the run of Ince, it also happened with Diouf the other day who bollocked him for doing exactly the same. And seeing as bayern didn't answer how many assists "the best crosser at the club" has in his Stoke career I looked it up myself. It's 1 in nearly 50 games. Bruno has 2 already this season. He's nowhere near as good as folk think. As someone else said, imagine if it was Smith putting in the same performances/making the same mistakes, he'd get crucified. That's 1 more than I expected :-)
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Dec 16, 2019 9:17:36 GMT
I noticed MON bollock him for a slow pass to Ince, by the time it got there he had 2 players on him. MON shouting to him what looked like pass forward quicker. It apperared to me, Edwards argued back. I said at the time, he'll get pulled.
He did it at MONs I think first game at brit too. Think he was dropped from next game then.
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Post by bossthemidfield on Dec 16, 2019 10:30:30 GMT
Iāve said it before and Iāll say it again... He just isnāt good enough at this level.
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Post by bossthemidfield on Dec 16, 2019 10:33:42 GMT
He just needs taking out of the limelight now for a short while. Give Smith a run and then look to get him back in after the Christmas period. Heās definitely gone backwards, but sadly Stoke fans have always given our youth players a hard time, and that doesnāt seem to be changing with young Tom. The poor lad was visibly wilting towards the end of the first half. It won't have helped being subbed. Yes he wasn't having a good game but he certainly wasn't having a mare and there were more pressing issues further up the pitch. It was an unnecessary substitution and most definitely a waste. He was having a shocking game... and its not for the first time either! No forward contribution, scared to go over the half way line, no tackling ability, slow... should I go on?
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Post by elystokie on Dec 16, 2019 10:58:38 GMT
He stopped and hesitated to make the forward pass because every time he looked up Ince was hiding behind the fullback or drifting towards Vokes. Not once did Ince make himself available in space in the right wing. Until we have an actual right winger none of our right backs will look any good. Ince may not have, but Vokes and Clucas both made runs only to be ignored. Ince is so overly one footed and on the wrong side, I could defend against him at 62! The incident in the second half when he literally got stuck in the corner because he could not/would not use his right foot would have been comical if it wasnāt so annoying of a professional sportsman. Vokes made runs?!? Let's not get carried away now, you sure it wasn't just a quicker than usual amble?
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Post by mamasgloves on Dec 16, 2019 12:40:27 GMT
He constantly misses the run of Ince, it also happened with Diouf the other day who bollocked him for doing exactly the same. And seeing as bayern didn't answer how many assists "the best crosser at the club" has in his Stoke career I looked it up myself. It's 1 in nearly 50 games. Bruno has 2 already this season. He's nowhere near as good as folk think. As someone else said, imagine if it was Smith putting in the same performances/making the same mistakes, he'd get crucified. That would be at Man C then . Wasn't that his debut ? No, was this season against Forest I think
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 12:43:05 GMT
That would be at Man C then . Wasn't that his debut ? No, was this season against Forest I think He set up a goal at Man C in the 7-2
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Post by StokieBoy31 on Dec 16, 2019 12:48:04 GMT
Did anyone notice that he liked a tweet saying āInce is a fraud of a player who hidesā or something along those lines.
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