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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 15, 2019 12:24:15 GMT
I agree the slow throws ins weren't Edwards fault - no-one was showing for him. I also agree Hogan was a wasted sub. However Edwards was poor first half and should have been subbed for the insane ball he played to Ward deep in his own half if nothing else. Tactically bringing on Smith for Edwards was a wasted sub but Smith had a decent second half and made us look more solid at the back as well as providing far more going forward. You have a fixation for our home grown young players and simply won't accept the evidence on the pitch through your rose tinted glasses. It's not unusual for a young player to have a wobble at Edward's stage of development - but if they are not doing the job on the pitch they don't deserve a place. After that woeful outing I can't see Edwards breaking into the first team for some time. He's got to knuckle down in training and earn his recall. No I don’t. Absolutely nothing changed with the sub. We looked untroubled at the back throughout the game. We didn’t look like we’d score in a month of Sunday’s throughout the game. The sub was a waste and all’s it did was not allow MON to make another change where it was actually needed and could affect the game. Another one to notice your fixation🤔😄
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Post by adi on Dec 15, 2019 12:25:44 GMT
It was a waste of a sub. The issues stemmed from zero movement in front of him. There are non so blind as those that cannot see. Academy rose tinted glasses 👓
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Post by adi on Dec 15, 2019 12:25:57 GMT
It was a waste of a sub. The issues stemmed from zero movement in front of him. There are non so blind as those that cannot see. Academy rose tinted glasses 👓
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 15, 2019 12:36:06 GMT
It was a waste of a sub. The issues stemmed from zero movement in front of him. There are non so blind as those that cannot see. Academy rose tinted glasses 👓 Ah yes we improved so much with the sub. My mistake🤦♂️What a load of bollocks!
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Post by adi on Dec 15, 2019 12:37:11 GMT
It's not like you to attempt to defend the indefensible. You should apply for a role in our back 4 with defending like that. It’s thick but he’s right. The fans are the issue here. Just look at Rich Carter’s tweets. He’s absolutely spot on. Here’s me thinking it had something to do with the 11 players on the pitch!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 15, 2019 12:37:27 GMT
No I don’t. Absolutely nothing changed with the sub. We looked untroubled at the back throughout the game. We didn’t look like we’d score in a month of Sunday’s throughout the game. The sub was a waste and all’s it did was not allow MON to make another change where it was actually needed and could affect the game. Another one to notice your fixation🤔😄 You’ll be agreeing with me in 6 months so it’s all good. The stick Edwards is getting is absolutely pathetic.
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Post by adi on Dec 15, 2019 12:40:47 GMT
There are non so blind as those that cannot see. Academy rose tinted glasses 👓 Ah yes we improved so much with the sub. My mistake🤦♂️What a load of bollocks! You are obsessed with academy players and I’m not the first or second to point it out on this thread. There’s no arguing with you for that sole reason.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 15, 2019 12:43:47 GMT
The only people seeing things are those that thought we were any better when Smith came on.
The problems down both flanks run far deeper than the full backs themselves.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 15, 2019 12:45:08 GMT
Ah yes we improved so much with the sub. My mistake🤦♂️What a load of bollocks! You are obsessed with academy players and I’m not the first or second to point it out on this thread. There’s no arguing with you for that sole reason. No I’m not. You won’t find me arguing for Campbell for instance..... Edwards wasn’t any worse than anyone yesterday but he’s an academy player so our fans make it their mission to make their lives hell. It’s absolutely pathetic.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 15, 2019 12:45:50 GMT
The only people seeing things are those that thought we were any better when Smith came on. The problems down both flanks run far deeper than the full backs themselves. Exactly. Fuck all changed.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 15, 2019 12:51:51 GMT
You are obsessed with academy players and I’m not the first or second to point it out on this thread. There’s no arguing with you for that sole reason. No I’m not. You won’t find me arguing for Campbell for instance..... Edwards wasn’t any worse than anyone yesterday but he’s an academy player so our fans make it their mission to make their lives hell. It’s absolutely pathetic. He'd be getting way more stick if his name was Tommy smith from huddersfield and you know it. Being a local boy saves him from much deserved flak.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 15, 2019 12:57:33 GMT
No I’m not. You won’t find me arguing for Campbell for instance..... Edwards wasn’t any worse than anyone yesterday but he’s an academy player so our fans make it their mission to make their lives hell. It’s absolutely pathetic. He'd be getting way more stick if his name was Tommy smith from huddersfield and you know it. Being a local boy saves him from much deserved flak. Does it bollocks. As I said Rich Carter has got it spot on. This club is awful for developing academy players and a big part of that is the fans lack of knowledge.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 15, 2019 13:09:40 GMT
He'd be getting way more stick if his name was Tommy smith from huddersfield and you know it. Being a local boy saves him from much deserved flak. Does it bollocks. As I said Rich Carter has got it spot on. This club is awful for developing academy players and a big part of that is the fans lack of knowledge. You don't need any knowledge to see that Edward's is a talented player with a bad attitude. A boy who thinks hes made it already. Hes playing poorly and he looks every inch as poor a player as we have on our books.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 15, 2019 13:12:19 GMT
Does it bollocks. As I said Rich Carter has got it spot on. This club is awful for developing academy players and a big part of that is the fans lack of knowledge. You don't need any knowledge to see that Edward's is a talented player with a bad attitude. A boy who thinks hes made it already. Hes playing poorly and he looks every inch as poor a player as we have on our books. I just think he’s got a lack of confidence. He didn’t want to pass it backwards yesterday through fear of being chastised by the crowd but then there was absolutely fuck all else on. The issues were in front of him.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 15, 2019 13:16:47 GMT
Does it bollocks. As I said Rich Carter has got it spot on. This club is awful for developing academy players and a big part of that is the fans lack of knowledge. looks every inch as poor a player as we have on our books. Fuck me that's a bold statement, dave! When you look at Ward, Lindsay, Jokes, Ince and the £40M worth of players we literally can't give away!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 13:18:54 GMT
The problem with Tom Edwards is the lazy bastard in front of him.
Never gives him the option of a ball down the line cause Ince is shit scared of his own shadow let alone a left full back.
Anyone who plays right fullback, with Ince in front of them, will look poor.
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Post by ravey123 on Dec 15, 2019 13:19:38 GMT
You don't need any knowledge to see that Edward's is a talented player with a bad attitude. A boy who thinks hes made it already. Hes playing poorly and he looks every inch as poor a player as we have on our books. I just think he’s got a lack of confidence. He didn’t want to pass it backwards yesterday through fear of being chastised by the crowd but then there was absolutely fuck all else on. The issues were in front of him. He looks like he has put too much bulk on to me. This seems to have affected his speed (not that he was rapid in the first place) and also his ability to jump. There is also a confidence thing going on with him - not surprising when he has Ince playing infront of him. The only time he has looked his old self was when we were 3-0 up against Luton - he seemed to start venturing forward, beating his man and getting a few crosses in. There is a cracking player in there - some of the crosses he put in when he first burst onto the scene were just outstanding.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 15, 2019 13:21:19 GMT
I just think he’s got a lack of confidence. He didn’t want to pass it backwards yesterday through fear of being chastised by the crowd but then there was absolutely fuck all else on. The issues were in front of him. He looks like he has put too much bulk on to me. This seems to have affected his speed (not that he was rapid in the first place) and also his ability to jump. There is also a confidence thing going on with him - not surprising when he has Ince playing infront of him. The only time he has looked his old self was when we were 3-0 up against Luton - he seemed to start venturing forward, beating his man and getting a few crosses in. There is a cracking player in there - some of the crosses he put in when he first burst onto the scene were just outstanding. As Momo said though, he put the best cross in the game yesterday. It’s still there. But the fans are on his back and it’s odd.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 15, 2019 16:40:22 GMT
Another one to notice your fixation🤔😄 You’ll be agreeing with me in 6 months so it’s all good. The stick Edwards is getting is absolutely pathetic. Unlike the abuse you dish out to Allen every week🤔
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Post by werrington on Dec 15, 2019 16:54:22 GMT
The problem with Tom Edwards is the lazy bastard in front of him. Never gives him the option of a ball down the line cause Ince is shit scared of his own shadow let alone a left full back. Anyone who plays right fullback, with Ince in front of them, will look poor. Yes he does give him an option I’m not defending Ince or slating Edwards but cmon eh stop making stuff up
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 15, 2019 16:58:31 GMT
Smith was better than Edwards when he came on, however it was a wasted sub.
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Post by mouse69 on Dec 15, 2019 17:06:19 GMT
Let's stop kidding ourselves the Academy isn't working. My son and friend's son were both involved upto u14 and both left because if the boring poor training trying to produce robot footballers. I still watch a fair bit of Academy upto u16 and there is no one there that is remotely close to ever being a future Stoke player.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 15, 2019 17:14:14 GMT
You’ll be agreeing with me in 6 months so it’s all good. The stick Edwards is getting is absolutely pathetic. Unlike the abuse you dish out to Allen every week🤔 I don’t boo him or hand out anything close to what happens with Edwards week in week out where it matters.
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Post by fazza90 on Dec 15, 2019 17:17:47 GMT
I just think he’s got a lack of confidence. He didn’t want to pass it backwards yesterday through fear of being chastised by the crowd but then there was absolutely fuck all else on. The issues were in front of him. He looks like he has put too much bulk on to me. This seems to have affected his speed (not that he was rapid in the first place) and also his ability to jump. There is also a confidence thing going on with him - not surprising when he has Ince playing infront of him. The only time he has looked his old self was when we were 3-0 up against Luton - he seemed to start venturing forward, beating his man and getting a few crosses in. There is a cracking player in there - some of the crosses he put in when he first burst onto the scene were just outstanding. This. There's quality in there somewhere and he displayed this when he first broke into the team & you don't get the England Under whatever caps without having something about you. But he's definitely changed for the worse recently and it's affected him both physically & mentally. Whatever it is I hope he's determined & smart enough to work it out & fix it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 15, 2019 17:23:52 GMT
He looks like he has put too much bulk on to me. This seems to have affected his speed (not that he was rapid in the first place) and also his ability to jump. There is also a confidence thing going on with him - not surprising when he has Ince playing infront of him. The only time he has looked his old self was when we were 3-0 up against Luton - he seemed to start venturing forward, beating his man and getting a few crosses in. There is a cracking player in there - some of the crosses he put in when he first burst onto the scene were just outstanding. This. There's quality in there somewhere and he displayed this when he first broke into the team & you don't get the England Under whatever caps without having something about you. But he's definitely changed for the worse recently and it's affected him both physically & mentally. Whatever it is I hope he's determined & smart enough to work it out & fix it. Hopefully the crowd not getting on his back would be a start. The cross field ball people have mentioned came from crowd pressure. The only ball on was to Butland but could you have imagined the reaction? He tried to make something happen and yeah it was bollocks but that solely came from crowd pressure.
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Post by bingbang on Dec 15, 2019 17:29:21 GMT
To me Edwards epitomises everything that is wrong with academies. Probably went there at a early age and thought that's it I am going to be a professional footballer. He doesn't strike me as being the sharpest tool in the box, probably at high school thought why do I need to listen in class I am sorted. He has been one of the lucky ones, even if he never plays another game, with his four year contract should be sorted for life. What about the ones who give up at school but never make it. Academies should be got rid of in place of school football, as it used to be, the better players then played for their city and then their county whilst still doing their studies. More so in this day and age, where academy players at all clubs, not all, never have a chance due to the foreign imports.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 17:34:26 GMT
This. There's quality in there somewhere and he displayed this when he first broke into the team & you don't get the England Under whatever caps without having something about you. But he's definitely changed for the worse recently and it's affected him both physically & mentally. Whatever it is I hope he's determined & smart enough to work it out & fix it. Hopefully the crowd not getting on his back would be a start. The cross field ball people have mentioned came from crowd pressure. The only ball on was to Butland but could you have imagined the reaction? He tried to make something happen and yeah it was bollocks but that solely came from crowd pressure. Hitting a 60yd pass to the fullback on the other side......well behind him actually....is not really making something happen.....and there were players in forward positions he could have passed to
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Post by fazza90 on Dec 15, 2019 17:40:33 GMT
This. There's quality in there somewhere and he displayed this when he first broke into the team & you don't get the England Under whatever caps without having something about you. But he's definitely changed for the worse recently and it's affected him both physically & mentally. Whatever it is I hope he's determined & smart enough to work it out & fix it. Hopefully the crowd not getting on his back would be a start. The cross field ball people have mentioned came from crowd pressure. The only ball on was to Butland but could you have imagined the reaction? He tried to make something happen and yeah it was bollocks but that solely came from crowd pressure. Crowd pressure isn't what changed him from what he was offering to what he is.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 15, 2019 17:41:57 GMT
To me Edwards epitomises everything that is wrong with academies. Good grief!
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Post by chiswickpotter on Dec 15, 2019 17:44:20 GMT
It was a waste of a sub. The issues stemmed from zero movement in front of him. They didn’t. Several times he had the opportunity to run outside Charlie and didn’t take it.
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