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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 21:55:59 GMT
Played 6
Won 3
Drawn 0
Lost 3
Goals for 11
Goals against 8
9 points from 18
+3 GD
Some might say that the fixtures have been kind, but he can’t affect that.
The Blackburn and particularly the Hull game we’re very poor - but he’s started something and is producing better than Mr Jones.
We can really judge him after 12 games and a transfer window.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 10, 2019 21:58:54 GMT
He’s had some kind fixtures, but he’s won them. And the losses to middling sides have been shite. I’m not convinced long term with some of his team selections but if he keeps beating the teams around us it will likely be enough if we pick up a fluke win at a top half side.
Make no mistake though, even if we do survive if the club pretend this is a blip we’ll be in exactly the same situation in 12 months time.
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Post by Stokie in Sydney on Dec 10, 2019 21:59:39 GMT
That is an epic record already, great manager.
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Post by dudnostokie on Dec 10, 2019 22:00:42 GMT
A fair few on here will have egg on their faces, just wish they'd reserve judgement until the game has been played.
Cousin's played well and looked solid (don't recall him putting a foot wrong), and although Lindsay made a few errors I thought he did alright. Baath made some fucking insane challenges that kept us from conceding.
As for Jimmy and Joe, well done them for putting their chances away, and I'm glad they gave some stick back to the fans giving it the big'un. If you're man enough to jeer and boo when a player fucks up, then have the backbone to take it when it comes back.
Well played lads.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Dec 10, 2019 22:00:43 GMT
Easy set of fixtures really.
Saturday is a big game especially given results tonight.
We win that and it starts to look an ok start.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 22:04:39 GMT
This manager has to be given a real chance. He won’t be by some on here, but it’s obvious that some of the players are responding positively, we just need to be in an okay position (not adrift) by January.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Dec 10, 2019 22:07:03 GMT
50% win record. Do that until the end of the season and we finish midtable.
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Post by dudnostokie on Dec 10, 2019 22:07:58 GMT
50% win record. Do that until the end of the season and we finish midtable. I would take that in a heartbeat mate. |
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Post by LGH87 on Dec 10, 2019 22:08:59 GMT
Played 6 Won 3 Drawn 0 Lost 3 Goals for 11 Goals against 5 9 points from 18 +6 GD Some might say that the fixtures have been kind, but he can’t affect that. The Blackburn and particularly the Hull game we’re very poor - but he’s started something and is producing better than Mr Jones. We can really judge him after 12 games and a transfer window. We’ve conceded 8 |
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Post by 'i'mnaked' on Dec 10, 2019 22:10:16 GMT
Goals against 5?
2 v Barnsley
2 v Hull
2 v Blackburn
1 v Cardiff
1 v Wigan
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 10, 2019 22:10:39 GMT
It’s a decent result but a proper test coming now , reading have improved and he’s got better players he didn’t pick
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 22:11:14 GMT
Results: MON>NJ
Performances: NJ>MON.
I don't see the results lasting if we carry on playing like tonight. Not every team will gift us 3 goals like Luton, and we know how quickly Stoke get nervy and collapse if they don't get a big lead.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 22:11:47 GMT
Played 6 Won 3 Drawn 0 Lost 3 Goals for 11 Goals against 5 9 points from 18 +6 GD Some might say that the fixtures have been kind, but he can’t affect that. The Blackburn and particularly the Hull game we’re very poor - but he’s started something and is producing better than Mr Jones. We can really judge him after 12 games and a transfer window. We’ve conceded 8 Yes, my bad. Corrected. |
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 10, 2019 22:14:11 GMT
Are the three teams he’s beaten the three that might just be worse than us this season?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 22:14:58 GMT
Are the three teams he’s beaten the three that might just be worse than us this season? That’s not a bad assumption |
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Post by Miles Offside on Dec 10, 2019 22:28:10 GMT
I wasn't persuaded by his line-up again before the game, but we played with more intensity and got closer to Vokes.
Luton were very poor, but we scored 3 at home for the first time in ages and we've already got more than half our points under O'Niell.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 10, 2019 22:29:54 GMT
Are the three teams he’s beaten the three that might just be worse than us this season? That’s not a bad assumption We’ve got the go to Wigan and Luton yet I wouldn’t be counting any chickens |
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 10, 2019 22:32:37 GMT
That’s not a bad assumption We’ve got the go to Wigan and Luton yet I wouldn’t be counting any crocodiles |
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Dec 10, 2019 22:35:06 GMT
Given the absolute bunch of wankers he has to manage he's done well.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 10, 2019 22:41:01 GMT
Results: MON>NJ Performances: NJ>MON. I don't see the results lasting if we carry on playing like tonight. Not every team will gift us 3 goals like Luton, and we know how quickly Stoke get nervy and collapse if they don't get a big lead. Not sure how you believe performances under Jones were better, were you at the Huddersfield game, truly appalling. We win 3 nil and it’s because we were gifted the goals? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 22:41:15 GMT
I wasn't persuaded by his line-up again before the game, but we played with more intensity and got closer to Vokes. Luton were very poor, but we scored 3 at home for the first time in ages and we've already got more than half our points under O'Niell. Exactly. Clean sheet and 3 goals. More points under O’Neill than Jones despite the number of games under both this season. For people talking about the opposition, Luton were awful, but Jones had some easy games too that we managed to capitulate in. This league is terrible and it’s not like the SPL, with Jones only playing the top 4 that are any good, most of the teams here are quite beatable if you just stop making stupid errors. |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Dec 10, 2019 22:41:54 GMT
Results: MON>NJ Performances: NJ>MON. I don't see the results lasting if we carry on playing like tonight. Not every team will gift us 3 goals like Luton, and we know how quickly Stoke get nervy and collapse if they don't get a big lead. Really? I don't know. The Huddersfield and Notts Forest games were dreadful as well and that was after he'd had how long? Is that the first clean sheet of the season? |
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Post by lordb on Dec 10, 2019 22:43:45 GMT
Are the three teams he’s beaten the three that might just be worse than us this season? That’s not a bad assumption That's all we need, three worse teams than us. |
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Post by lordb on Dec 10, 2019 22:44:16 GMT
Results: MON>NJ Performances: NJ>MON. I don't see the results lasting if we carry on playing like tonight. Not every team will gift us 3 goals like Luton, and we know how quickly Stoke get nervy and collapse if they don't get a big lead. Really? I don't know. The Huddersfield and Notts Forest games were dreadful as well and that was after he'd had how long? Is that the first clean sheet of the season? Fulham and Brentford away too |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 10, 2019 22:45:11 GMT
Results: MON>NJ Performances: NJ>MON. I don't see the results lasting if we carry on playing like tonight. Not every team will gift us 3 goals like Luton, and we know how quickly Stoke get nervy and collapse if they don't get a big lead. Really? I don't know. The Huddersfield and Notts Forest games were dreadful as well and that was after he'd had how long? Is that the first clean sheet of the season? The 0-0 at Brentford I think. |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Dec 10, 2019 22:46:07 GMT
Really? I don't know. The Huddersfield and Notts Forest games were dreadful as well and that was after he'd had how long? Is that the first clean sheet of the season? Fulham and Brentford away too Yeah, spot on. Brentford away was a solid showing as well, should've remembered that. |
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Post by blackpoolred on Dec 10, 2019 23:26:35 GMT
Mon has mentioned we needed some height in defence and some decent wide players in a few of his interviews, so he is saying some of the right things. Quite a few also mention he likes a solid defence to build on - also nice to know
He is new to all things English football, so he will more than likely need time to find his feet - unfortunately he does not have any - he has to keep that scoreboard ticking to the window and then bring in some great talent who can hit the ground running and early in the window - we need some urgency from him and the club.
Let's face it, though, had we lost tonight we would have been all but down: 7 points a drift of the safety zone and 9 point behind Luton - so a massive win that keeps us in touch, but if we lose at the weekend we will more than likely be saying the same thing for the game after that.
We need to be aiming at 3 points for every 2 games played now and a level of consistency for the rest of the season.
I would have never employed a man with his level experience for THIS job, for me absolutely suicidal decision by the board, but he & the club will be judged massively in the window and quite frankly if he loses the next 2 games there maybe some calls for his head before we even get to the window - whether you think that is correct or not.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 23:32:29 GMT
Mon has mentioned we needed some height in defence and some decent wide players in a few of his interviews, so he is saying some of the right things. Quite a few also mention he likes a solid defence to build on - also nice to know He is new to all things English football, so he will more than likely need time to find his feet - unfortunately he does not have any - he has to keep that scoreboard ticking to the window and then bring in some great talent who can hit the ground running and early in the window - we need some urgency from him and the club. Let's face it, though, had we lost tonight we would have been all but down: 7 points a drift of the safety zone and 9 point behind Luton - so a massive win that keeps us in touch, but if we lose at the weekend we will more than likely be saying the same thing for the game after that. We need to be aiming at 3 points for every 2 games played now and a level of consistency for the rest of the season. I would have never employed a man with his level experience for THIS job, for me absolutely suicidal decision by the board, but he & the club will be judged massively in the window and quite frankly if he loses the next 2 games there maybe some calls for his head before we even get to the window - whether you think that is correct or not. Calling for his head this season is just daft. Calling him out for team selections and his words not marrying up to his actions is fair game though, and always should be. |
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Post by Kenilworth_Stokies on Dec 10, 2019 23:45:28 GMT
All we have to do to survive is out perform those teams around us. MON has already accrued more points, with the same crop of players, than we'd have got under Jones. And he has a transfer window still to come.
I'm quietly confident we'll slowly ease out of the bottom three and end up closer to mid table than the foot of it. If he does that, he's earned the right to build something here.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 23:50:52 GMT
The facts as they are this season
Jones P15 W2 D2 L11 F13 A27 PTS 8
ONeill P6 W3 D0 L3 F11 A8 PTS 9
So more points in a lot less games, a better goals per game ratio, and a better defensive record.
Considering what he inherited I’d say he’s done ok so far......
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