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Post by cooper67 on Dec 10, 2019 23:53:41 GMT
I'll take 9 from 18 all week long.
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Post by potterpaul on Dec 11, 2019 0:33:56 GMT
This will upset some but here we go.
The first match won under MON's leadership was simply a big 'fuck off' to Nathan Jones by the players The last win was a big 'fuck off' to the fans by the players. The one in between was fortunate and uninspiring to say the least.
The players can do it and have done it but only when they want which should infuriate every single Stoke supporter.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Dec 11, 2019 1:23:58 GMT
The facts as they are this season Jones P15 W2 D2 L11 F13 A27 PTS 6 ONeill P6 W3 D0 L3 F11 A8 PTS 9 So more points in a lot less games, a better goals per game ratio, and a better defensive record. Considering what he inherited I’d say he’s done ok so far...... Shush!!!
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Post by GoBoks on Dec 11, 2019 1:26:41 GMT
He’s had some kind fixtures, but he’s won them. And the losses to middling sides have been shite. I’m not convinced long term with some of his team selections but if he keeps beating the teams around us it will likely be enough if we pick up a fluke win at a top half side. Make no mistake though, even if we do survive if the club pretend this is a blip we’ll be in exactly the same situation in 12 months time. Blah blah blah. Don't you ever change the record?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 1:29:00 GMT
Are the three teams he’s beaten the three that might just be worse than us this season? Let’s not kid ourselves, this season will be a success if we finish above three others.
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Post by GoBoks on Dec 11, 2019 1:30:27 GMT
This will upset some but here we go. The first match won under MON's leadership was simply a big 'fuck off' to Nathan Jones by the players The last win was a big 'fuck off' to the fans by the players. The one in between was fortunate and uninspiring to say the least. The players can do it and have done it but only when they want which should infuriate every single Stoke supporter. or, MON has turned around every team he has ever managed. Even if he'd lost all 6 games, he'd still have equaled Pulis' record for his first 6 games. Give the guy a chance. Things seem to be turning around. What good does being infuriated do? Try supporting the team, until the rapport is rebuilt between fans and players, we are never going to get back to the Prem.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 1:31:54 GMT
This will upset some but here we go. The first match won under MON's leadership was simply a big 'fuck off' to Nathan Jones by the players The last win was a big 'fuck off' to the fans by the players. The one in between was fortunate and uninspiring to say the least. The players can do it and have done it but only when they want which should infuriate every single Stoke supporter. How would you know that? A big ‘fuck off to the fans’ based on what? I doubt that they really care what the average fan thinks to be honest, unless it’s positive, but that’s a great attempt at trying to give absolutely no credit to the new manager for 3 wins in 6.
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Post by GoBoks on Dec 11, 2019 1:32:09 GMT
Easy set of fixtures really. Saturday is a big game especially given results tonight. We win that and it starts to look an ok start. Now I get it... Your user name is SCFC No-one Fan. Ah, took me a while to understand.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 11, 2019 1:35:14 GMT
He’s had some kind fixtures, but he’s won them. And the losses to middling sides have been shite. I’m not convinced long term with some of his team selections but if he keeps beating the teams around us it will likely be enough if we pick up a fluke win at a top half side. Make no mistake though, even if we do survive if the club pretend this is a blip we’ll be in exactly the same situation in 12 months time. Blah blah blah. Don't you ever change the record? We’ve beaten Wigan, Luton and Barnsley who are all around us and lost to middling sides. That’s a fact and credit to him for the wins because it’s what we need to stay up. What do you want me to say? He’s a footballing genius? As for the changing the structure of the club to truly change things you yourself advocated it in Project 107: We finished a bit short last year btw.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 1:46:42 GMT
The facts as they are this season Jones P15 W2 D2 L11 F13 A27 PTS 6 ONeill P6 W3 D0 L3 F11 A8 PTS 9 So more points in a lot less games, a better goals per game ratio, and a better defensive record. Considering what he inherited I’d say he’s done ok so far...... Shush!!! 8 pts under Jones sorry not 6
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 11, 2019 2:02:49 GMT
Are the three teams he’s beaten the three that might just be worse than us this season? Let’s not kid ourselves, this season will be a success if we finish above three others. That was exactly my point.
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Post by senojbor on Dec 11, 2019 2:13:26 GMT
The guys doing okay, Its really not his fault that we're in the position we're in. I hope the two buffoons in charge of the club don't get involved with any potential signings in January and let him sign his own players.
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Post by potterpaul on Dec 11, 2019 2:15:05 GMT
This will upset some but here we go. The first match won under MON's leadership was simply a big 'fuck off' to Nathan Jones by the players The last win was a big 'fuck off' to the fans by the players. The one in between was fortunate and uninspiring to say the least. The players can do it and have done it but only when they want which should infuriate every single Stoke supporter. How would you know that? A big ‘fuck off to the fans’ based on what? I doubt that they really care what the average fan thinks to be honest, unless it’s positive, but that’s a great attempt at trying to give absolutely no credit to the new manager for 3 wins in 6. If you are giving him credit for inspiring the 3 wins who are you crediting the inspiration for the shambolic stuff in between? The Luton game was heavily shaped by the support from the last game and early in the game itself. You can't honestly credit his first win after a 2 hour training session, that's just being plain stupid.
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Post by kustokie on Dec 11, 2019 2:51:52 GMT
It’s a decent result but a proper test coming now , reading have improved and he’s got better players he didn’t pick He isn’t picking those “better players” because they’ll be gone in January and he’s building a team around a core of players he knows he can afford to keep.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Dec 11, 2019 5:31:51 GMT
He’s won as many games in 6 matches as mad Nath did in about 30.
I’d say that’s a fair start.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 7:02:23 GMT
That’s not a bad assumption That's all we need, three worse teams than us. And yet Luton,who were horrific,are above us
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 7:04:18 GMT
Results: MON>NJ Performances: NJ>MON. I don't see the results lasting if we carry on playing like tonight. Not every team will gift us 3 goals like Luton, and we know how quickly Stoke get nervy and collapse if they don't get a big lead. Not sure how you believe performances under Jones were better, were you at the Huddersfield game, truly appalling. We win 3 nil and it’s because we were gifted the goals? To be fair it’s a good win with an important clean sheet but you won’t find a worse defence in any English league than what they have. We were so bad first half that any decent side in this league would have finished us off. Second half was much improved. I don’t think we should be getting too excited, Barnsley and 45 mins last night is the only time we’ve played well under MON. You can’t underestimate how kind the fixtures have been yet we still look a shambles.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 11, 2019 8:07:07 GMT
50% win record🤔I’ll take that whilst he’s out manager
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Post by spiderpuss on Dec 11, 2019 8:30:45 GMT
50% win record🤔I’ll take that whilst he’s out manager He will need to do that for the rest of this season though. We have 25 games left, so let's assume we don't "round up". That's 12 = 36 points. Which puts us on 53 points.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 11, 2019 8:52:54 GMT
It’s a decent result but a proper test coming now , reading have improved and he’s got better players he didn’t pick He isn’t picking those “better players” because they’ll be gone in January and he’s building a team around a core of players he knows he can afford to keep. Joe Allen ? My bet is he is the best offer we will get first week in January
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 11, 2019 9:45:02 GMT
He isn’t picking those “better players” because they’ll be gone in January and he’s building a team around a core of players he knows he can afford to keep. Joe Allen ? My bet is he is the best offer we will get first week in January I think you could well be right. Others that are highly rated on this MB will be "given away" to get their wages of the wage bill. If we get some revenue in, MON will be allowed to spend half of it on players he needs to plug holes left by previous managers such as DMF, winger, and LB, and even these may be filled by bringing loanees back to the club. FFP is looming and needs to be addressed to cut our costs next season.
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Post by leicspotter on Dec 11, 2019 9:52:52 GMT
This will upset some but here we go. The first match won under MON's leadership was simply a big 'fuck off' to Nathan Jones by the players The last win was a big 'fuck off' to the fans by the players. The one in between was fortunate and uninspiring to say the least. The players can do it and have done it but only when they want which should infuriate every single Stoke supporter. As things stand at the moment they can say "fuck off" to me as much as they like, as long as it means they are winning games and avoiding us dropping to League 1. At the end of the season I expect / hope to be saying "fuck off" to quite a few of the them too
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Post by jarvinski on Dec 11, 2019 9:55:05 GMT
You can’t make a silk purse out of a pigs ear Give the bloke a chance till he brings his own players in and gets rid of Rowerts and Jones garbage
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 10:18:03 GMT
If he can get something out of Jordan Cousins he's the greatest manager in our history.
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Post by potterpaul on Dec 11, 2019 10:20:35 GMT
This will upset some but here we go. The first match won under MON's leadership was simply a big 'fuck off' to Nathan Jones by the players The last win was a big 'fuck off' to the fans by the players. The one in between was fortunate and uninspiring to say the least. The players can do it and have done it but only when they want which should infuriate every single Stoke supporter. As things stand at the moment they can say "fuck off" to me as much as they like, as long as it means they are winning games and avoiding us dropping to League 1. At the end of the season I expect / hope to be saying "fuck off" to quite a few of the them too You're missing the point completely because I feel the same way if it brings safety. The conversation is about MON's record and I'm simply saying that the inspiration for at least 2 wins have come from other sources rather than the management itself and over the last 18 months the players have got an awful lot to answer to.
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Post by spiderpuss on Dec 11, 2019 10:24:31 GMT
As things stand at the moment they can say "fuck off" to me as much as they like, as long as it means they are winning games and avoiding us dropping to League 1. At the end of the season I expect / hope to be saying "fuck off" to quite a few of the them too You're missing the point completely because I feel the same way if it brings safety. The conversation is about MON's record and I'm simply saying that the inspiration for at least 2 wins have come from other sources rather than the management itself and over the last 18 months the players have got an awful lot to answer to. So 25 games to go, one we say fuck off, next game they say fuck off. We stay up. Simples.
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Post by potterpaul on Dec 11, 2019 10:31:36 GMT
You're missing the point completely because I feel the same way if it brings safety. The conversation is about MON's record and I'm simply saying that the inspiration for at least 2 wins have come from other sources rather than the management itself and over the last 18 months the players have got an awful lot to answer to. So 25 games to go, one we say fuck off, next game they say fuck off. We stay up. Simples. Maybe but I don't think either party could be arsed to do it for the rest of season. Personally I'd expect a similar performance Saturday before we start seeing standards grind to halt again, you know, just like we've witnessed since slipping out of Prem.
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 11, 2019 10:58:41 GMT
This will upset some but here we go. The first match won under MON's leadership was simply a big 'fuck off' to Nathan Jones by the players The last win was a big 'fuck off' to the fans by the players. The one in between was fortunate and uninspiring to say the least. The players can do it and have done it but only when they want which should infuriate every single Stoke supporter. or, MON has turned around every team he has ever managed. Even if he'd lost all 6 games, he'd still have equaled Pulis' record for his first 6 games. Give the guy a chance. Things seem to be turning around. What good does being infuriated do? Try supporting the team, until the rapport is rebuilt between fans and players, we are never going to get back to the Prem. I agree not withstanding watching Luton was like watching us under Jones only they seemed even worse at the diamond, for me O'Neill is doing the basics right players in their correct positions, sticking to a system that suits the current shower as best as possible, consistent selection whilst assessing the players he has over 4 or 5 games rather than the 45 minutes Jones would be prone too before throwing everything in the air for the next game. That said Joe Allen scoring from 6 yards out instead of hitting the post, shooting wide greatly helps just like Jack not throwing a couple in the net does too...
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Dec 11, 2019 11:00:25 GMT
The facts as they are this season Jones P15 W2 D2 L11 F13 A27 PTS 8 ONeill P6 W3 D0 L3 F11 A8 PTS 9 So more points in a lot less games, a better goals per game ratio, and a better defensive record. Considering what he inherited I’d say he’s done ok so far...... Spot on! From the shit he has to work with, rubbish behind the scenes and everthing else, he's done very well. Before he started, everyone would have took 3 wins from ! Only confusing thing is Etebo and Badou, we have to trust him on that though.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Dec 11, 2019 11:10:06 GMT
50% win record🤔I’ll take that whilst he’s out manager He will need to do that for the rest of this season though. We have 25 games left, so let's assume we don't "round up". That's 12 = 36 points. Which puts us on 53 points. 53 points is mid table. It would have been 17th and 12 points above relegation last season. And would be a decent season after where we were when MON arrived.
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