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Post by crapslinger on Dec 19, 2019 22:36:42 GMT
It’s a pity that you don’t follow your own advice. Ignore the troll. He only posts when we lose. Really check your facts boy.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 19, 2019 22:55:56 GMT
He needs to find the right system that best suits the players available to him. I'm not sure he's doing that thus far. There is no system that suits these players. Thus far hes making a decent fist with what he has. At what point are we able to point fi gers in the direction of the charlatans that take to the field each week? Who isn’t pointing fingers at them? Is it really a binary choice? There possibly isn’t a system that suits these players but I don’t see us getting the wins we need with this sludgy Rowettball, especially if it involves halfwitted subs like the Hogan one last week.
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Post by markby on Dec 19, 2019 22:58:00 GMT
I am actually he might actually walk away if the shit gets too much. He's in a slightly different situation to most manager's in as much as he's got a ready made job to slip back into at anytime, almost a safety net if you like, should it not work out as planned or the board move the goalposts transfer wise. I really think it is a distinct posdy. Seriously doubt it.
When he took over NI, the results in his first campaign (2 years/14 matches?) were dreadful.
And even though he (and we fans) knew the performances were much better than the results, he still had the humility to drive all the way from Edinburgh to Southampton in the off season, to have a chat with his captain, Steven Davis. Basically, he asked SD if he had lost the dressing room etc, but SD assured him that the team were still firmly on his side, he stayed on and the rest, as they say, is history.
The point being that he could just have walked away at that stage, since he could easily have got another job in Scotland or Ireland.
Furthermore, he has had loads of job offers during the last 3 or 4 years, inc from clubs of similar status to Stoke, yet he turned them down. That suggests to me that as well as his passing the Stoke interview, you (Stoke) passed his interview, if you see what I mean.
And part of that process must mean that both he and Stoke/Coates are looking beyond the short term.
As for returning to the NI job, yes of course we'd have him back in a heartbeat. But Michael's not the sort of guy to leave a good job on the basis that he could always come back to it. Rather, I'd be confident that he took the Stoke gig because he sees it as a genuine opportunity to raise his career to the next level (i.e. Premier League), whether with Stoke or s.o. else.
Of course, aspirations and ambitions are one thing - actually fulfilling them is something else, so never guaranteed.
But I do know that Michael is a very strategic thinker, who's wise and secure enough to take a much longer view of things than the average Championship manager, who as we know, only lasts on average 9 or 10 months in the job.
Keep The Faith!
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 19, 2019 23:02:47 GMT
Make some strange decisions regarding subs & team selections but we've got see what he brings in during January. Hopefully it turns out ok🤦♂️ He has virtually picked the same team every match, unlike Jones who change a third to half the team every match. He is clearly aware that some players have to be sold to balance the books and if he is going to strengthen in any positions, sales have to be achieved first. He is giving as many players as he can a chance, whilst still trying to stick to the same basic team, and having a look at them in action to decide whether to keep or sell/release. His biggest problem, and the club's biggest problem, that we have had since relegation (and made worse under Rowett and Jones) is how do we get rid of players no one else wants?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 19, 2019 23:04:23 GMT
Make some strange decisions regarding subs & team selections but we've got see what he brings in during January. Hopefully it turns out ok🤦♂️ He has virtually picked the same team every match, unlike Jones who change a third to half the team every match. He is clearly aware that some players have to be sold to balance the books and if he is going to strengthen in any positions, sales have to be achieved first. He is giving as many players as he can a chance, whilst still trying to stick to the same basic team, and having a look at them in action to decide whether to keep or sell/release. His biggest problem, and the club's biggest problem, that we have had since relegation (and made worse under Rowett and Jones) is how do we get rid of players no one else wants? How do you ‘stick with the same basic team’ while ‘giving as many people as he can a chance’? Those are mutually exclusive, it’s one or the other?
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 19, 2019 23:08:01 GMT
Nonsense Some very poor performances but no worse than we had before + more better ones I think Blackburn was our worst this season and the three wins weren't nearly as good as our Swansea and Fulham performances. I take it you weren't in the conga at Barnsley then?
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 19, 2019 23:22:05 GMT
He has virtually picked the same team every match, unlike Jones who change a third to half the team every match. He is clearly aware that some players have to be sold to balance the books and if he is going to strengthen in any positions, sales have to be achieved first. He is giving as many players as he can a chance, whilst still trying to stick to the same basic team, and having a look at them in action to decide whether to keep or sell/release. His biggest problem, and the club's biggest problem, that we have had since relegation (and made worse under Rowett and Jones) is how do we get rid of players no one else wants? How do you ‘stick with the same basic team’ while ‘giving as many people as he can a chance’? Those are mutually exclusive, it’s one or the other? What I mean is he has basically stuck with Butland, Batth, Ward, Allen, Clucas (excluding suspension), Woods, Ince, and McClean since the first match and tried others, particularly varying the subs. OK?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 19, 2019 23:33:11 GMT
How do you ‘stick with the same basic team’ while ‘giving as many people as he can a chance’? Those are mutually exclusive, it’s one or the other? What I mean is he has basically stuck with Butland, Batth, Ward, Allen, Clucas (excluding suspension), Woods, Ince, and McClean since the first match and tried others, particularly varying the subs. OK? Well he’s dropped Woods already. And who else is he going to play out wide than McClean or Ince?
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Post by miltonstokienew on Dec 19, 2019 23:35:08 GMT
Ignore the troll. He only posts when we lose. Really check your facts boy. Think you posted twice after the Luton win kid.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 19, 2019 23:49:49 GMT
There is no system that suits these players. Thus far hes making a decent fist with what he has. At what point are we able to point fi gers in the direction of the charlatans that take to the field each week? Who isn’t pointing fingers at them? Is it really a binary choice? There possibly isn’t a system that suits these players but I don’t see us getting the wins we need with this sludgy Rowettball, especially if it involves halfwitted subs like the Hogan one last week. If we pick up the same number of points every 7 games as we've done since o'Neil arrived, we'll more than likely achieve our objective. Maybe the half witted subs will change once he gets players he wants and rid of players he may well have been told he cant use due to finances. I think you are under estimating massively the situation o'Neil has walked into. If we can get through to end of January still in touch with safety o'Neil will have made an excellent start to life as our manager. In fact it will be a fucking miracle.
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 19, 2019 23:58:58 GMT
What I mean is he has basically stuck with Butland, Batth, Ward, Allen, Clucas (excluding suspension), Woods, Ince, and McClean since the first match and tried others, particularly varying the subs. OK? Well he’s dropped Woods already. And who else is he going to play out wide than McClean or Ince? So Cousins has been given a chance the last 2 matches after our weak defending against Hull. He has still basically stuck with the same team since Barnsley and tweaked it, e.g. Vokes coming in.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 20, 2019 0:01:23 GMT
Who isn’t pointing fingers at them? Is it really a binary choice? There possibly isn’t a system that suits these players but I don’t see us getting the wins we need with this sludgy Rowettball, especially if it involves halfwitted subs like the Hogan one last week. If we pick up the same number of points every 7 games as we've done since o'Neil arrived, we'll more than likely achieve our objective. Maybe the half witted subs will change once he gets players he wants and rid of players he may well have been told he cant use due to finances. I think you are under estimating massively the situation o'Neil has walked into. If we can get through to end of January still in touch with safety o'Neil will have made an excellent start to life as our manager. In fact it will be a fucking miracle. Will we have as kind a run of games again? Not for a while. When is he going to get the players he wants? Not this season. League One maybe? All this exact same stuff was said about Jones this time last year, we’re fresh out of free passes to give managers. He’ll get time I’m sure but he’ll take the credit when we win so he equally can’t be absolved of when we underperform, especially when he thinks Scott Hogan can play as a lone striker.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 20, 2019 0:03:38 GMT
Well he’s dropped Woods already. And who else is he going to play out wide than McClean or Ince? So Cousins has been given a chance the last 2 matches after our weak defending against Hull. He has still basically stuck with the same team since Barnsley and tweaked it, e.g. Vokes coming in. Vokes has come in, Lindsay’s come in, Cousins has come in. He’s tried three different right backs.
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Post by Gods on Dec 20, 2019 0:16:29 GMT
Who isn’t pointing fingers at them? Is it really a binary choice? There possibly isn’t a system that suits these players but I don’t see us getting the wins we need with this sludgy Rowettball, especially if it involves halfwitted subs like the Hogan one last week. If we pick up the same number of points every 7 games as we've done since o'Neil arrived, we'll more than likely achieve our objective.Maybe the half witted subs will change once he gets players he wants and rid of players he may well have been told he cant use due to finances. I think you are under estimating massively the situation o'Neil has walked into. If we can get through to end of January still in touch with safety o'Neil will have made an excellent start to life as our manager. In fact it will be a fucking miracle. Perhaps but he could not have had 7 easier games if he'd hand picked them himself. I like him but on balance I'd say given the benign nature of most of those games his start has been below par. Things are about to get real.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 20, 2019 0:20:12 GMT
If we pick up the same number of points every 7 games as we've done since o'Neil arrived, we'll more than likely achieve our objective. Maybe the half witted subs will change once he gets players he wants and rid of players he may well have been told he cant use due to finances. I think you are under estimating massively the situation o'Neil has walked into. If we can get through to end of January still in touch with safety o'Neil will have made an excellent start to life as our manager. In fact it will be a fucking miracle. Will we have as kind a run of games again? Not for a while. When is he going to get the players he wants? Not this season. League One maybe? All this exact same stuff was said about Jones this time last year, we’re fresh out of free passes to give managers. He’ll get time I’m sure but he’ll take the credit when we win so he equally can’t be absolved of when we underperform, especially when he thinks Scott Hogan can play as a lone striker. We got a point and a clean sheet didn't we? We looked shit without Hogan as a lone striker and we looked shit with him. Had he bought on diouf, we'd still have looked shot because guess what, we are shit. We are equally as crap in defeat as we are in victory most of the time. This manager isnt being given a free pass. Hes come in and got us within a result of being out of the bottom 3. Results wise, if not performance wise, hes worked wonders to date.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 20, 2019 0:22:06 GMT
If we pick up the same number of points every 7 games as we've done since o'Neil arrived, we'll more than likely achieve our objective.Maybe the half witted subs will change once he gets players he wants and rid of players he may well have been told he cant use due to finances. I think you are under estimating massively the situation o'Neil has walked into. If we can get through to end of January still in touch with safety o'Neil will have made an excellent start to life as our manager. In fact it will be a fucking miracle. Perhaps but he could not have had 7 easier games if he'd hand picked them himself. I like him but on balance I'd say given the benign nature of most of those games his start has been below par. Things are about to get real. 2 teams aside, every game is equally as easy or hard in this league. This league is crap. We are as likely to win tomorrow as we are to lose or draw. Same last saturday. Same last tuesday. Same every week.
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Post by Gods on Dec 20, 2019 0:28:47 GMT
Perhaps but he could not have had 7 easier games if he'd hand picked them himself. I like him but on balance I'd say given the benign nature of most of those games his start has been below par. Things are about to get real. Every game is equally as easy or hard in this league. 2 teams aside, this league is crap. We are as likely to win tomorrow as we are to lose or draw. Same last saturday. Same last tuesday. Same every week. I agree to the extent that every match is an opportunity but equally away is harder than home and Leeds and West Brom tougher than Barnsley and Luton and Reading.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 20, 2019 8:47:46 GMT
Will we have as kind a run of games again? Not for a while. When is he going to get the players he wants? Not this season. League One maybe? All this exact same stuff was said about Jones this time last year, we’re fresh out of free passes to give managers. He’ll get time I’m sure but he’ll take the credit when we win so he equally can’t be absolved of when we underperform, especially when he thinks Scott Hogan can play as a lone striker. We got a point and a clean sheet didn't we? We looked shit without Hogan as a lone striker and we looked shit with him. Had he bought on diouf, we'd still have looked shot because guess what, we are shit. We are equally as crap in defeat as we are in victory most of the time. This manager isnt being given a free pass. Hes come in and got us within a result of being out of the bottom 3. Results wise, if not performance wise, hes worked wonders to date. A point and a clean sheet at home to a dreadful side. Yes we’ve been turned over by dreadful sides this season but that kind of showing isn’t going to keep us up. We were worse attacking wise with Hogan up front - he isn’t a lone striker. What did he expect that change would do? You don’t get results without performances for long in any league.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 20, 2019 11:06:20 GMT
We got a point and a clean sheet didn't we? We looked shit without Hogan as a lone striker and we looked shit with him. Had he bought on diouf, we'd still have looked shot because guess what, we are shit. We are equally as crap in defeat as we are in victory most of the time. This manager isnt being given a free pass. Hes come in and got us within a result of being out of the bottom 3. Results wise, if not performance wise, hes worked wonders to date. A point and a clean sheet at home to a dreadful side. Yes we’ve been turned over by dreadful sides this season but that kind of showing isn’t going to keep us up. We were worse attacking wise with Hogan up front - he isn’t a lone striker. What did he expect that change would do? You don’t get results without performances for long in any league. We couldn't even pick up a point against equally shit huddersfield and qpr teams, losing both games. Forest were pretty damn pathetic on the day as well yet we still lost. Same at sheff Wednesday. Maybe he thought that hogan might give a shit and actually try to run the channels stretch their lumbering centre halves and even be Johnny on the spot should something drop to him in the box from a set piece or corner.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 20, 2019 11:15:26 GMT
A point and a clean sheet at home to a dreadful side. Yes we’ve been turned over by dreadful sides this season but that kind of showing isn’t going to keep us up. We were worse attacking wise with Hogan up front - he isn’t a lone striker. What did he expect that change would do? You don’t get results without performances for long in any league. We couldn't even pick up a point against equally shit huddersfield and qpr teams, losing both games. Forest were pretty damn pathetic on the day as well yet we still lost. Same at sheff Wednesday. Maybe he thought that hogan might give a shit and actually try to run the channels stretch their lumbering centre halves and even be Johnny on the spot should something drop to him in the box from a set piece or corner. And that’s great if he’s got someone alongside him. A lone striker has to have a bit of strength and hold the ball up and, if you’re playing hoofball - which we are - win the odd header. Vokes, as shit as he’s been, was doing that to a point. There was no focal point with Hogan there. Can’t agree that all games are equally difficult in this league either. Anyone can beat anybody but that isn’t the same thing. There’s a hell of a difference between playing West Brom or Leeds and playing Barnsley or Luton.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 20, 2019 11:40:25 GMT
We couldn't even pick up a point against equally shit huddersfield and qpr teams, losing both games. Forest were pretty damn pathetic on the day as well yet we still lost. Same at sheff Wednesday. Maybe he thought that hogan might give a shit and actually try to run the channels stretch their lumbering centre halves and even be Johnny on the spot should something drop to him in the box from a set piece or corner. And that’s great if he’s got someone alongside him. A lone striker has to have a bit of strength and hold the ball up and, if you’re playing hoofball - which we are - win the odd header. Vokes, as shit as he’s been, was doing that to a point. There was no focal point with Hogan there. Can’t agree that all games are equally difficult in this league either. Anyone can beat anybody but that isn’t the same thing. There’s a hell of a difference between playing West Brom or Leeds and playing Barnsley or Luton. For me, the onus was on Hogan to move around, run the channels, stretch their defence and give his teammates an option to play something different than hoofball. He didn't. He stood dead still between two cumbersome centre halves and didn't give the team any option other to lump it and play off second balls or pass sideways and backwards, which we were never going to do given the grief Edwards got during the 1st half. Hogan couldn't even be arsed to move for throw ins, something that Smith, Allen and Ince wasted no time bollocking him about. My main criticism of O'Neil in that instance is that he didn't do a Duncan Ferguson and haul the useless twat off before the end. Of course there is a difference between playing West Brom and Leeds v Barnsley and Luton. The teams you quote are the only 2 decent teams in the league. The rest are rubbish, including us.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 20, 2019 11:44:03 GMT
And that’s great if he’s got someone alongside him. A lone striker has to have a bit of strength and hold the ball up and, if you’re playing hoofball - which we are - win the odd header. Vokes, as shit as he’s been, was doing that to a point. There was no focal point with Hogan there. Can’t agree that all games are equally difficult in this league either. Anyone can beat anybody but that isn’t the same thing. There’s a hell of a difference between playing West Brom or Leeds and playing Barnsley or Luton. For me, the onus was on Hogan to move around, run the channels, stretch their defence and give his teammates an option to play something different than hoofball. He didn't. He stood dead still between two cumbersome centre halves and didn't give the team any option other to lump it and play off second balls or pass sideways and backwards, which we were never going to do given the grief Edwards got during the 1st half. Hogan couldn't even be arsed to move for throw ins, something that Smith, Allen and Ince wasted no time bollocking him about. My main criticism of O'Neil in that instance is that he didn't do a Duncan Ferguson and haul the useless twat off before the end. Of course there is a difference between playing West Brom and Leeds v Barnsley and Luton. The teams you quote are the only 2 decent teams in the league. The rest are rubbish, including us. Well why did you say every game is equally difficult then? Was that team set up to play anything other than football? Was the midfield going to split the defence with a brilliant through ball?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 11:52:50 GMT
Didn't we have about 35% possession against Fulham? Probably, but we were exceptional. We didn't touch the ball for the 1st 30 minutes lol
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 20, 2019 11:54:55 GMT
For me, the onus was on Hogan to move around, run the channels, stretch their defence and give his teammates an option to play something different than hoofball. He didn't. He stood dead still between two cumbersome centre halves and didn't give the team any option other to lump it and play off second balls or pass sideways and backwards, which we were never going to do given the grief Edwards got during the 1st half. Hogan couldn't even be arsed to move for throw ins, something that Smith, Allen and Ince wasted no time bollocking him about. My main criticism of O'Neil in that instance is that he didn't do a Duncan Ferguson and haul the useless twat off before the end. Of course there is a difference between playing West Brom and Leeds v Barnsley and Luton. The teams you quote are the only 2 decent teams in the league. The rest are rubbish, including us. Well why did you say every game is equally difficult then? Was that team set up to play anything other than football? Was the midfield going to split the defence with a brilliant through ball? If you could be arsed to read what I wrote, you will surely note that I said "2 teams aside..." That midfield was just as capable of lumping a ball into a channel as it is lumping it up straight in the air. You seem to suggest that sticking one down the sides is a difficult skill to master. It's the easiest pass in football. Sadly Hogan couldn't be arsed to run and give that option. There are no palatable team selections or alternative options from the bench with this squad. They are a bunch of shisters who are wanker than wank. That has absolutely nothing to do with O'Neil who has no option but to work with the shit he's been given. If O'Neil can keep us within touching distance of 4th from bottom come the end of January, he'll have done one hell of a job in a short space of time. Only Shawcross is excluded from this comment.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 20, 2019 12:09:25 GMT
Well why did you say every game is equally difficult then? Was that team set up to play anything other than football? Was the midfield going to split the defence with a brilliant through ball? If you could be arsed to read what I wrote, you will surely note that I said "2 teams aside..." That midfield was just as capable of lumping a ball into a channel as it is lumping it up straight in the air. You seem to suggest that sticking one down the sides is a difficult skill to master. It's the easiest pass in football. Sadly Hogan couldn't be arsed to run and give that option. There are no palatable team selections or alternative options from the bench with this squad. They are a bunch of shisters who are wanker than wank. If O'Neil can keep us within touching distance of 4th from bottom come the end of January, he'll have done one hell of a job in a short space of time. Only Shawcross is excluded from this comment. It’s more than two teams. Blackburn are bang average but there was a gulf between them and Luton/Barnsley/Reading. The top six all have better players or managers than most of the rest. Hogan could’ve run around like a madman but the ball was never going to stick and we’d have continued to hoof it because that’s the gameplan. Reading were sat so deep that we needed some presence in the final third and he doesn’t have any, he’s just a poacher. Gregory is a better option than Hogan. Diouf would’ve been a better option than Hogan.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 20, 2019 12:30:44 GMT
If you could be arsed to read what I wrote, you will surely note that I said "2 teams aside..." That midfield was just as capable of lumping a ball into a channel as it is lumping it up straight in the air. You seem to suggest that sticking one down the sides is a difficult skill to master. It's the easiest pass in football. Sadly Hogan couldn't be arsed to run and give that option. There are no palatable team selections or alternative options from the bench with this squad. They are a bunch of shisters who are wanker than wank. If O'Neil can keep us within touching distance of 4th from bottom come the end of January, he'll have done one hell of a job in a short space of time. Only Shawcross is excluded from this comment. It’s more than two teams. Blackburn are bang average but there was a gulf between them and Luton/Barnsley/Reading. The top six all have better players or managers than most of the rest. Hogan could’ve run around like a madman but the ball was never going to stick and we’d have continued to hoof it because that’s the gameplan. Reading were sat so deep that we needed some presence in the final third and he doesn’t have any, he’s just a poacher. Gregory is a better option than Hogan. Diouf would’ve been a better option than Hogan. Gregory and diouf are more expensive options as well and are just as toss as the others. I've seen blackburn 3 times these season. They are shite. Best they've played by far was v us because guess what...we are shite.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 20, 2019 12:57:11 GMT
It’s more than two teams. Blackburn are bang average but there was a gulf between them and Luton/Barnsley/Reading. The top six all have better players or managers than most of the rest. Hogan could’ve run around like a madman but the ball was never going to stick and we’d have continued to hoof it because that’s the gameplan. Reading were sat so deep that we needed some presence in the final third and he doesn’t have any, he’s just a poacher. Gregory is a better option than Hogan. Diouf would’ve been a better option than Hogan. Gregory and diouf are more expensive options as well and are just as toss as the others. I've seen blackburn 3 times these season. They are shite. Best they've played by far was v us because guess what...we are shite. They’re better suited than Hogan to that role is the point Dave. Blackburn aren’t world beaters but they’re better than the absolute dross in this league and we look completely lost against anyone bar the absolute dross in this league. That’s the whole point.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 20, 2019 13:55:44 GMT
Gregory and diouf are more expensive options as well and are just as toss as the others. I've seen blackburn 3 times these season. They are shite. Best they've played by far was v us because guess what...we are shite. They’re better suited than Hogan to that role is the point Dave. Blackburn aren’t world beaters but they’re better than the absolute dross in this league and we look completely lost against anyone bar the absolute dross in this league. That’s the whole point. And how exactly is that oneils fault? Hes been here 5 minutes and hasn't signed a single player in the squad. We are shit. The league is shit. We wouldn't have beat the teams we've beat had no change been made so o'Neil is doing something right. Hogan is toss. Vokes was slightly less toss than him. Diouf can barely control his own feet and Gregory is andy Cooke reincarnated. You just clutch at straws with that lot and hope something works for a few seconds enough to get us a goal. You couldn't make a decent forward out of any of them if you put all of their best attributes into 1 player. All these threads are pointless. Any misgivings about our current predicament should be pointed wholly at the players and the board. You seem to prefer singling out the manager who is tasked with making a silk purse from a pig's ear. Let's hope january brings about a mass clear out. If I never see vokes, campbell, gregory and Hogan again I will be delighted.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 14:09:59 GMT
Agree with messages of support for Mon
He has no ,wins everything in the air, crouchy No ,will magic you 15 goals a season ric fuller No , give him a chance , and he will bury it , left foot , right foot or head , James beattie
He has to somehow win as many games as he can , in the championship , with an attack that excels at nothing . That's not easy .
He is Better than NJ
Lets see who he signs in January ,then start to form an opinion
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 20, 2019 14:17:00 GMT
They’re better suited than Hogan to that role is the point Dave. Blackburn aren’t world beaters but they’re better than the absolute dross in this league and we look completely lost against anyone bar the absolute dross in this league. That’s the whole point. And how exactly is that oneils fault? Hes been here 5 minutes and hasn't signed a single player in the squad. We are shit. The league is shit. We wouldn't have beat the teams we've beat had no change been made so o'Neil is doing something right. Hogan is toss. Vokes was slightly less toss than him. Diouf can barely control his own feet and Gregory is andy Cooke reincarnated. You just clutch at straws with that lot and hope something works for a few seconds enough to get us a goal. You couldn't make a decent forward out of any of them if you put all of their best attributes into 1 player. All these threads are pointless. Any misgivings about our current predicament should be pointed wholly at the players and the board. You seem to prefer singling out the manager who is tasked with making a silk purse from a pig's ear. Let's hope january brings about a mass clear out. If I never see vokes, campbell, gregory and Hogan again I will be delighted. What you’re essentially saying is that anything we achieve will be to the manager’s credit and nothing whatsoever that goes wrong will be on him. It doesn’t work like that. We all said this about Jones last season as well. We are shit, absolutely, but since he’s come in the manager has made some very odd decisions that haven’t helped things massively. Best of luck to him, I hope he pulls us out of it. He shouldn’t be above criticism himself either though.
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