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Post by crapslinger on Dec 8, 2019 16:00:57 GMT
I know it's early days and all that but that line up yesterday seemed naïve at best, does he have the managerial awareness to motivate and improve the players he has at his disposal ?, we have to hope the board have got this one right.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 8, 2019 16:06:55 GMT
There’s massively mitigating factors given the results trend, feel of the club and absolutely dire squad, but him switching the formation from 4-3-3 to 4-5-1 after 2 wins in 2 is odd to me in addition to his team selections.
That said, he can’t really be blamed for the situation as a whole and sacking him wouldn’t change the squad or the problems at the club really. That lies solely on those above him now.
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Post by Fred Merger on Dec 8, 2019 16:12:05 GMT
You can only surmise that Mon has been told certain players will have to be sold to fall in with FFP. If indeed he does believe that Joe Allen and Ryan Woods are his best central midfield then he will go the same way as the other last three managers.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 8, 2019 16:20:37 GMT
You can only surmise that Mon has been told certain players will have to be sold to fall in with FFP. If indeed he does believe that Joe Allen and Ryan Woods are his best central midfield then he will go the same way as the other last three managers. If he plays Vokes on his own again he will deserve the sack it's utter stupidity.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 8, 2019 16:23:42 GMT
You can only surmise that Mon has been told certain players will have to be sold to fall in with FFP. If indeed he does believe that Joe Allen and Ryan Woods are his best central midfield then he will go the same way as the other last three managers. If he plays Vokes on his own again he will deserve the sack it's utter stupidity. Gone Wednesday morning on that basis 😉
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 8, 2019 16:27:53 GMT
If he plays Vokes on his own again he will deserve the sack it's utter stupidity. Gone Wednesday morning on that basis 😉 Thank God he's only a part time manager he will only be on a part time wage !!!!! won't he ??????
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 8, 2019 16:28:58 GMT
It's too early to say but Barnsley apart I can't honestly say he's done much that's impressed me thus far.
Plenty of time yet though.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 8, 2019 16:31:22 GMT
It's too early to say but Barnsley apart I can't honestly say he's done much that's impressed me thus far. Plenty of time yet though. Time we don't really have if we are to avoid relegation, the side he played yesterday will not keep us up.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 8, 2019 16:42:18 GMT
It's too early to say but Barnsley apart I can't honestly say he's done much that's impressed me thus far. Plenty of time yet though. Time we don't really have if we are to avoid relegation, the side he played yesterday will not keep us up. We're not going to sack another manager any time soon though.
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Post by wuzza on Dec 8, 2019 16:49:30 GMT
All the original misgivings about lack of experience at this level still stand. However he talks well (at least he did before yesterday’s interviews) and seems to have a degree of authority so we will have to wait and see. There really is no alternative now. I absolutely don’t buy the line that it’s everyone else’s fault but the managers and that no one could make a decent go of it because of other ‘issues’ at the club.
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 8, 2019 16:51:22 GMT
What was wrong with yesterday's interviews?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 17:04:37 GMT
He's been told he has to work with the 37 pros we have on our books, or those who are not away on loan at the moment. He hasn't been promised much in terms of players coming in, in fact he has stated he cannot buy until he sells first. The players who most apparently believe will leave - Badou, Etebo, Bruno, Butland - all wanted away in the summer and despite some interest, none of them did, and the same thing could happen next month.
Which means a probable status quo on Jan 31, which is almost untenable for everyone concerned. We can forget about 'don't judge him till he gets his own men in'. He is going to have to be judged on what he can get out of the 37- on our books, which he's already being as wee speak.
He's thrown Woods and Diouf a lifeline. Diouf has reacted the best, yet even after a month still doesn't fully have O'Neill's support. Woods has complete backing, the first name on the team sheet apparently. The remaining players are just continuing as if nothing has happened in the last 11 months. O'Neill has so far not been able to make any impression on them; and he himself has not been willing to learn from the mistakes his two predecessors in the job made plenty of.
But it's not often seen in Central european leagues that managers are sacked after five games. In Italy and Spain, for sure, it happens, but most certainly not in Stoke. Even if these are changing times.
The Sentinel ran a story a while back about O'Neill's bonus if Stoke stays up. I'd be more interested to know if he has contractually accepted a major cut in pay if he takes Stoke down.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 17:11:10 GMT
How did Pulis do after 5 games ? Chants of you don't know what you're doing at Walsall. How did he turn out ?
Give the man a chance ffs
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 8, 2019 17:20:01 GMT
Firstly, anyone expecting a miracle turn around after the last 3 years is dreaming.
Secondly he is trying to establish a settled team with the players he has got, unlike Jones scatter gun approach. He is generally going with experience over youth.
My guess is he has been told that if he wants to bring players in, he has to let players go to raise revenue and get the wage bill down. He cannot add to the squad like Jones and Rowett. Consequently we are seeing less of some of the saleable assets like Badou and Etebo.
We clearly do not have players who can work the ball forward in triangles or through passes. He is trying to reduce the side to side and backward passes, although it was apparent yesterday the team slipped back into it. MON is now trying long passes to the wide players or Vokes with Clucas trying to feed off him, but it's not working.
We need to find a way of scoring pdq because with the present defence we are always going to concede goals. We need Shawcross back at his best, 2 FBs who can defend, and a DMF in front of the back line like Whelan at his best.
Regrettably it is going to be some time before we see a turn round. I repeatedly said on here that Jones needed 3 transfer windows and I think some of his signings were stop gaps till he got someone better. Unfortunately the club were profligate enough to give long contracts to players in the autumn of their careers, who we are going to find it difficult to move on.
MON needs to find a few players in January that plug our weak gaps, but I doubt he will succeed in one attempt and the priority must be to avoid relegation and start a proper rebuild next summer.
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Post by waffles on Dec 8, 2019 17:26:43 GMT
He's the right man for the job
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 8, 2019 17:32:23 GMT
Firstly, anyone expecting a miracle turn around after the last 3 years is dreaming. Secondly he is trying to establish a settled team with the players he has got, unlike Jones scatter gun approach. He is generally going with experience over youth. My guess is he has been told that if he wants to bring players in, he has to let players go to raise revenue and get the wage bill down. He cannot add to the squad like Jones and Rowett. Consequently we are seeing less of some of the saleable assets like Badou and Etebo. We clearly do not have players who can work the ball forward in triangles or through passes. He is trying to reduce the side to side and backward passes, although it was apparent yesterday the team slipped back into it. MON is now trying long passes to the wide players or Vokes with Clucas trying to feed off him, but it's not working. We need to find a way of scoring pdq because with the present defence we are always going to concede goals. We need Shawcross back at his best, 2 FBs who can defend, and a DMF in front of the back line like Whelan at his best. Regrettably it is going to be some time before we see a turn round. I repeatedly said on here that Jones needed 3 transfer windows and I think some of his signings were stop gaps till he got someone better. Unfortunately the club were profligate enough to give long contracts to players in the autumn of their careers, who we are going to find it difficult to move on. MON needs to find a few players in January that plug our weak gaps, but I doubt he will succeed in one attempt and the priority must be to avoid relegation and start a proper rebuild next summer. So until or if they are sold we don't play our best players in case they get injured !!!, I take it we are still paying these players wages absolute mental approach to management, we have allegedly built a squad to suit "the diamond" so we are now resorting to hoof ball up to a fat immobile lump and relying on Mr consistent Clucas to pick up the bits
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 8, 2019 17:33:08 GMT
He's the right man for the job Indeed, what job is that then ?
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Post by wuzza on Dec 8, 2019 17:35:01 GMT
What was wrong with yesterday's interviews? He looked she’ll shocked and frankly talked a mixture of cliches and nonsense (if it wasn’t nonsense it worries me greatly that he hadn’t done a bit more research before taking the job)
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Post by berahinosgoals on Dec 8, 2019 17:35:14 GMT
How did Pulis do after 5 games ? Chants of you don't know what you're doing at Walsall. How did he turn out ? Give the man a chance ffs Agree he seems a steady coach to me but if we go down what experience does he draw from to rebuild the club and what knowledge of efl players does he have? Who else is pulling the strings? Who is the director of football because we sure as hell need one? We were successful under pulis because he knew his market, he is an encyclopedia on players in the leagues which he picked up off harry Redknapp. Who has our master plan? Time for TP as director of football, imo
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 8, 2019 17:36:32 GMT
How did Pulis do after 5 games ? Chants of you don't know what you're doing at Walsall. How did he turn out ? Give the man a chance ffs Pulis inherited a cheap squad with no quality, we have the most expensive squad in the division with quality footballers massive difference, I will eat my words when Mon takes us to the PL keeps us there for 5 years, takes us to an FA Cup Final and a European adventure, see you then.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 8, 2019 17:39:49 GMT
The squad is utter dogshite, one, if not the worst we have ever had. On that basis, no matter what players are picked it's going to be a poor selection.
If he keeps us up with this shower of shit, then he will have been a good appointment, if not a great one.
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Post by jarvinski on Dec 8, 2019 17:39:50 GMT
George Formby wouldn’t get a tune out of these tossers I’ts not this managers fault
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 8, 2019 17:39:52 GMT
What was wrong with yesterday's interviews? He looked she’ll shocked and frankly talked a mixture of cliches and nonsense (if it wasn’t nonsense it worries me greatly that he hadn’t done a bit more research before taking the job) Did he do any research ?, if he did he would have known Ward is finished, Ince is a pussy and Vokes is a donkey.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 8, 2019 17:40:43 GMT
George Formby wouldn’t get a tune out of these tossers I’ts not this managers fault Who do you apportion this mess to ?
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 8, 2019 17:42:35 GMT
The squad is utter dogshite, one, if not the worst we have ever had. On that basis, no matter what players are picked it's going to be a poor selection. If he keeps us up with this shower of shit, then he will have been a good appointment, if not a great one. In many ways I agree however how do you defend not playing your best players, Badou had to play yesterday a blind man on a galloping horse could have seen that.
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Post by chumley on Dec 8, 2019 17:44:15 GMT
Lambert, Rowett, Jones and now MON, can't be managers at fault or we have picked some right duffers or players either have no bottle or are plain complacent which is my choice, just complacent and think come january they will perform and get us out of it, etebo and ndiaye are the ones who have correct attitude and seem to care a bit
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 8, 2019 17:46:57 GMT
Firstly, anyone expecting a miracle turn around after the last 3 years is dreaming. Secondly he is trying to establish a settled team with the players he has got, unlike Jones scatter gun approach. He is generally going with experience over youth. My guess is he has been told that if he wants to bring players in, he has to let players go to raise revenue and get the wage bill down. He cannot add to the squad like Jones and Rowett. Consequently we are seeing less of some of the saleable assets like Badou and Etebo. We clearly do not have players who can work the ball forward in triangles or through passes. He is trying to reduce the side to side and backward passes, although it was apparent yesterday the team slipped back into it. MON is now trying long passes to the wide players or Vokes with Clucas trying to feed off him, but it's not working. We need to find a way of scoring pdq because with the present defence we are always going to concede goals. We need Shawcross back at his best, 2 FBs who can defend, and a DMF in front of the back line like Whelan at his best. Regrettably it is going to be some time before we see a turn round. I repeatedly said on here that Jones needed 3 transfer windows and I think some of his signings were stop gaps till he got someone better. Unfortunately the club were profligate enough to give long contracts to players in the autumn of their careers, who we are going to find it difficult to move on. MON needs to find a few players in January that plug our weak gaps, but I doubt he will succeed in one attempt and the priority must be to avoid relegation and start a proper rebuild next summer. Yes but selling them in January and playing them now to maximise our points tally surely isn’t mutually exclusive It’s a bit worrying
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 17:48:10 GMT
How did Pulis do after 5 games ? Chants of you don't know what you're doing at Walsall. How did he turn out ? Give the man a chance ffs Pulis inherited a cheap squad with no quality, we have the most expensive squad in the division with quality footballers massive difference, I will eat my words when Mon takes us to the PL keeps us there for 5 years, takes us to an FA Cup Final and a European adventure, see you then. The cost is irrelevant. The quality is debatable.We don't have 1 good defender or striker and an abundance of meh midfielders...the only 2 good uns are liable to leave in a month. Did you give Pulis 5 games before starting a similar moronic thread ?
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 8, 2019 18:09:48 GMT
Pulis inherited a cheap squad with no quality, we have the most expensive squad in the division with quality footballers massive difference, I will eat my words when Mon takes us to the PL keeps us there for 5 years, takes us to an FA Cup Final and a European adventure, see you then. The cost is irrelevant. The quality is debatable.We don't have 1 good defender or striker and an abundance of meh midfielders...the only 2 good uns are liable to leave in a month. Did you give Pulis 5 games before starting a similar moronic thread ? I wasn't posting then, and why is it moronic it's a football forum to discuss football related matters around Stoke City, if you believe he is going to be a good appointment fine he might be however at the moment and in particular yesterday it didn't look to me as if he has learned anything about the players.
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 8, 2019 18:12:58 GMT
Firstly, anyone expecting a miracle turn around after the last 3 years is dreaming. Secondly he is trying to establish a settled team with the players he has got, unlike Jones scatter gun approach. He is generally going with experience over youth. My guess is he has been told that if he wants to bring players in, he has to let players go to raise revenue and get the wage bill down. He cannot add to the squad like Jones and Rowett. Consequently we are seeing less of some of the saleable assets like Badou and Etebo. We clearly do not have players who can work the ball forward in triangles or through passes. He is trying to reduce the side to side and backward passes, although it was apparent yesterday the team slipped back into it. MON is now trying long passes to the wide players or Vokes with Clucas trying to feed off him, but it's not working. We need to find a way of scoring pdq because with the present defence we are always going to concede goals. We need Shawcross back at his best, 2 FBs who can defend, and a DMF in front of the back line like Whelan at his best. Regrettably it is going to be some time before we see a turn round. I repeatedly said on here that Jones needed 3 transfer windows and I think some of his signings were stop gaps till he got someone better. Unfortunately the club were profligate enough to give long contracts to players in the autumn of their careers, who we are going to find it difficult to move on. MON needs to find a few players in January that plug our weak gaps, but I doubt he will succeed in one attempt and the priority must be to avoid relegation and start a proper rebuild next summer. So until or if they are sold we don't play our best players in case they get injured !!!, I take it we are still paying these players wages absolute mental approach to management, we have allegedly built a squad to suit "the diamond" so we are now resorting to hoof ball up to a fat immobile lump and relying on Mr consistent Clucas to pick up the bits Don't shoot the messenger. I'm just saying it as I read it. My theory is MON is trying to develop a team with players (Butland excepted) who will be here in February. I am not a Vokes fan, I've had wardrobes that move faster, but he did yesterday what he is in the side for, to head goals. More could have been scored if the centres were better from the wide players. Nor am I a fan of "stamp on a fellow professional", "shush the crowd" Clucas, but he does have a greater alertness for an opportunity than any of the other players we have currently. His body isn't up to the pace of his brain though, so he often fails to execute what he is trying to achieve.
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