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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 30, 2019 19:46:32 GMT
Hate to say it but warned on his appointment it was a horrendous risk when far more hardened championship managers were available , Out managed by Mowbray and Harris in a week . Idea of preparation we need more crosses so let’s just lash it a static vokes from anywhere Horrendously I’ll prepared team show in selection , yesterday and Tuesday I warned allen and Woods is a disaster , even worse with Dack around Utter lottery picks of subs and tactics in both games Clear agenda on certain players Badou , Where was Etebo , Nonsensical comments on Woods , Diouf over the two weeks Sheer stupidity on saying we need quality crosses then playing carter vickers with two proper right backs available Record now is as good as Jones last 4 games Hopelessly out of his Depth Along with dour billy who apparently doesn’t suffer fools gladly people who live in glass houses springs to mind Today had relegation all over dead cat bounce complete and next stage free fall ready for lift off at hull , no improvement all all , joker played and yet again the process and the jerk that runs it have delivered nothing but failure at huge extra cost . Record now as good as J... oh forget it. What nonsense. His 4 game record is exactly the same as Jones last 4 fact His selection is as scatter gun His substitutions as ineffective His public utterances more understated but utter Bollocks Around Diouf , woods , vokes , Badou But let’s be clear he didn’t Pick himself he just took a. £1.5m job offered to him by a process run by a serial rank incompetent Of staggering arrogance and denial of any accountability
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Post by serpico on Nov 30, 2019 19:54:09 GMT
That’s the players fault, not MoNs inability to motivate them. I'm saying it's a different job. Just because he's good at the one doesn't follow he'd be the right man for us. I'm hoping to be proved wrong but he's got nothing in his CV remotely similar to the job he needs to do with us. Getting the most out of limited players, which he did with NI, seems a good quality to have in our current situation ? Its early days yet, 4 games and 2 wins isn’t a wrist slashing start to his tenure. Btw I wasn’t very enthusiastic about MoN but given the probable, realistic alternatives (pardew, Pulis et al) I’m willing to give him time before slaughtering him, that doesn’t mean He’s above criticism, for instance he deserves some stick for today’s team selection.
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 30, 2019 19:54:33 GMT
Record now as good as J... oh forget it. What nonsense. His 4 game record is exactly the same as Jones last 4 fact His selection is as scatter gun His substitutions as ineffective His public utterances more understated but utter Bollocks Around Diouf , woods , vokes , Badou But let’s be clear he didn’t Pick himself he just took a. £1.5m job offered to him by a process run by a serial rank incompetent Of staggering arrogance and denial of any accountability 4 games.
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Post by chad on Nov 30, 2019 19:54:48 GMT
Jesus. Four pages of criticism for a manager after only four games and a 50% win rate with a shit squad Seems the more manages we have the less time they’re given
I didn’t agree with his side today but give the bloke a chance FFS
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 30, 2019 19:56:16 GMT
Moaning already....how pathetic are some fans, let him get on with it, he's sorting it (it to 8 games with NI before he got things going) So there’s nothing you’d have done differently from the manager today then? Happy that Vokes started, happy that Badou and Etebo didn’t, yes? Lots of things, but the facts are that whatever we do we lose games of football. Rowett and Jones have completely fucked us over.
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Post by citynickscfc on Nov 30, 2019 19:58:07 GMT
Jesus. Four pages of criticism for a manager after only four games and a 50% win rate with a shit squad Seems the more manages we have the less time they’re given I didn’t agree with his side today but give the bloke a chance FFS I think it's more to do with the fact that we are fed up of being fed shit. Players in their correct positions? Today's squad was a mess. Best players. Not playing, not in the squad. Players dropped for no reason? - again. No creativity or pace? Yes, that was not foreseeable at all? The manager had the chance to assess the team but was away on his second job. Now, I don't want to use that as an excuse, but honestly... It sounds shit after THAT selection and the two defeats. Wtf has vokes done to deserve a start?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 30, 2019 20:02:56 GMT
So there’s nothing you’d have done differently from the manager today then? Happy that Vokes started, happy that Badou and Etebo didn’t, yes? Lots of things, but the facts are that whatever we do we lose games of football. Rowett and Jones have completely fucked us over. Scholes appointed both and managed their transfer process and lambert
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 20:03:36 GMT
Jesus. Four pages of criticism for a manager after only four games and a 50% win rate with a shit squad Seems the more manages we have the less time they’re given I didn’t agree with his side today but give the bloke a chance FFS He won't get as much time as the others because we don't have time. We can't afford another series of games of a manager trying to shoehorn Woods, for example, into DM because we know it doesn't work. It didn't work for Rowett in a 433. It didn't work for Jones in any of the systems he played and guess what? It isn't going to work for O'Neill either.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Nov 30, 2019 20:22:47 GMT
It is a mystery. A midfield of Badou and Etebo with Powell in front would be streets ahead of what we out out today. Play Clucas at left back until Christmas and hope we can hang in games until Diouf’s cameo until he gets fit
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Post by canadianmoose on Nov 30, 2019 20:28:43 GMT
I can only assume Badou and Etebo have told the board and MON that they have no intention of being here at the end of January 2020.
That can be the only reason they arent being picked. I would understand if that's the case as it would certainly not do the dressing room much good if that kind of attitude was in the starting 11.
Clearly there is SOME reason otherwise it would be bonkers.
I can only suggest we let MON manage. We need this guy to get it right or we are fucked.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 30, 2019 20:40:06 GMT
I can only assume Badou and Etebo have told the board and MON that they have no intention of being here at the end of January 2020. That can be the only reason they arent being picked. I would understand if that's the case as it would certainly not do the dressing room much good if that kind of attitude was in the starting 11. Clearly there is SOME reason otherwise it would be bonkers. I can only suggest we let MON manage. We need this guy to get it right or we are fucked. Hang on, Badou’s never not had that attitude yet has been basically our best player whenever he’s played?
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Post by fca47 on Nov 30, 2019 20:44:33 GMT
Even if Badou and Etebo are off in January, do we have enough points to just think we can leave them out, their replacement are clearly not good enough , we should be playing out or best team, until such time as they leave. It's just suicidal.
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Post by canadianmoose on Nov 30, 2019 20:44:52 GMT
You are not wrong but perhaps MON believes that players that aren’t 100% committed shouldn’t be starting?
I don’t know, I’m guesstimating, but clearly there is a reason they aren’t playing. Suggest that a media type ask the question to MON directly.
Badou has played very well but perhaps that’s not enough for MON to pick him over somebody who actually wants to play for the club longer term?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Nov 30, 2019 20:46:15 GMT
Is there a manager anywhere that could get this shower of shit playing like they give a damn?
March,please don't say fucking Pulis.
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Post by canadianmoose on Nov 30, 2019 20:46:25 GMT
Even if Badou and Etebo are off in January, do we have enough points to just think we can leave them out, their replacement are clearly not good enough , we should be playing out or best team, until such time as they leave. It's just suicidal. We have employed MON. We either back him to make these calls or we don’t. Again, he must have his reasons.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 30, 2019 20:46:41 GMT
You are not wrong but perhaps MON believes that players that aren’t 100% committed shouldn’t be starting? I don’t know, I’m guesstimating, but clearly there is a reason they aren’t playing. Suggest that a media type ask the question to MON directly. Badou has played very well but perhaps that’s not enough for MON to pick him over somebody who actually wants to play for the club longer term? If he’s playing well whenever he plays and he’s one of our best players, which he is, he should be playing. It’s that simple.
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Post by greenhoff on Nov 30, 2019 20:49:27 GMT
You are not wrong but perhaps MON believes that players that aren’t 100% committed shouldn’t be starting? I don’t know, I’m guesstimating, but clearly there is a reason they aren’t playing. Suggest that a media type ask the question to MON directly. Badou has played very well but perhaps that’s not enough for MON to pick him over somebody who actually wants to play for the club longer term? If he’s playing well whenever he plays and he’s one of our best players, which he is, he should be playing. It’s that simple. I agree 100%. Only a bloody idiot wouldn't play him when fit.
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Post by canadianmoose on Nov 30, 2019 20:50:36 GMT
You are not wrong but perhaps MON believes that players that aren’t 100% committed shouldn’t be starting? I don’t know, I’m guesstimating, but clearly there is a reason they aren’t playing. Suggest that a media type ask the question to MON directly. Badou has played very well but perhaps that’s not enough for MON to pick him over somebody who actually wants to play for the club longer term? If he’s playing well whenever he plays and he’s one of our best players, which he is, he should be playing. It’s that simple. Again, I’m not disagreeing with you. I’m simply saying that there is a reason that clearly only MON can divulge about why there aren’t playing. He’s not daft. He must know about the levels of performance from those 2 but clearly there is a reason why they aren’t starting. As we aren’t privy to those reason we can only make guesses.
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Post by somersetstokie on Nov 30, 2019 20:52:33 GMT
You just have to wonder if the nightmare is going to end. Or are we just destined to increase our historic links and associations to Sunderland.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 30, 2019 20:52:35 GMT
If he’s playing well whenever he plays and he’s one of our best players, which he is, he should be playing. It’s that simple. Again, I’m not disagreeing with you. I’m simply saying that there is a reason that clearly only MON can divulge about why there aren’t playing . He’s not daft. He must know about the levels of performance from those 2 but clearly there is a reason why they aren’t starting. As we aren’t privy to those reason we can only make guesses. Or he just doesn’t rate them. It’s not outside the realms of possibility. There is no rational reason for them not playing and they both need to be in the team asap. There’s no justifying it.
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 30, 2019 20:53:15 GMT
You are not wrong but perhaps MON believes that players that aren’t 100% committed shouldn’t be starting? I don’t know, I’m guesstimating, but clearly there is a reason they aren’t playing. Suggest that a media type ask the question to MON directly. Badou has played very well but perhaps that’s not enough for MON to pick him over somebody who actually wants to play for the club longer term? Badou very clearly doesn't want to be at the club and I don't think anyone would try and argue otherwise. However when he has played he is quite comfortably the best player in a Stoke shirt and more importantly appears to leave nothing on the pitch after the game. He may not want to be here but he has always given a fully committed performance which is more than can be said for just about every other player in the squad. It's verging on the ridiculous that he is not being selected.
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Post by smallthorner on Nov 30, 2019 20:54:03 GMT
Is there a manager anywhere that could get this shower of shit playing like they give a damn? March,please don't say fucking Pulis. I'm convinced there is a Manager out there who could get a tune out of this lot.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 20:57:17 GMT
Which two wingers would you put on that we aren't already playing? And which AN other can you find for us for the next game? Then finally what will you do when Diouf runs out of steam after 10-15 minutes in the first half? Your tone is so fucking weird all the time. I’m just suggesting a basic approach in the hope of something good coming from it. If the ball is in their box, it’s more likely we’ll score but every manager since we got relegated seems more obsessed with having the ball and doing nothing with it. Diouf is a threat in the box so get the ball in. I’d probably go McClean and Ince with their remit being simply getting the ball in the box wherever possible. So your approach is "business as usual"? We sent in 20+ crosses today from the, ahem, wing wonders of your choice, simply getting the ball in the box. Not a single one led to anything remotely dangerous.
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Post by canadianmoose on Nov 30, 2019 21:01:10 GMT
You are not wrong but perhaps MON believes that players that aren’t 100% committed shouldn’t be starting? I don’t know, I’m guesstimating, but clearly there is a reason they aren’t playing. Suggest that a media type ask the question to MON directly. Badou has played very well but perhaps that’s not enough for MON to pick him over somebody who actually wants to play for the club longer term? Badou very clearly doesn't want to be at the club and I don't think anyone would try and argue otherwise. However when he has played he is quite comfortably the best player in a Stoke shirt and more importantly appears to leave nothing on the pitch after the game. He may not want to be here but he has always given a fully committed performance which is more than can be said for just about every other player in the squad. It's verging on the ridiculous that he is not being selected. We don’t know what goes on behind the scenes. If you were manager, would you pick the best player if his attitude in training and around the place was “fuck you lot”, I only put in full effort on game day because I’m looking to get a move”? Again, I don’t know what is happening but clearly there is something going on that we don’t know about. At the end of the day, we either trust that MON will get these decisions right or we don’t. If he doesn’t, we are buggered
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 21:02:56 GMT
I can only assume Badou and Etebo have told the board and MON that they have no intention of being here at the end of January 2020. That can be the only reason they arent being picked. I would understand if that's the case as it would certainly not do the dressing room much good if that kind of attitude was in the starting 11. Clearly there is SOME reason otherwise it would be bonkers. I can only suggest we let MON manage. We need this guy to get it right or we are fucked. Who's not letting O'Neill manage? We'll support the team and the manager. Doesn't mean that in a discussion forum we can't be critical of, for instance, a dubious team selection.
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Post by BuckRogers on Nov 30, 2019 21:04:35 GMT
You've got play Badoe every game until he leaves in January. Its ridiculous not playing your best midfielder just because he might leave in a couple of months. Etobe the same. Play both of them and build the team around them and get as many points we can.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 30, 2019 21:05:54 GMT
Badou very clearly doesn't want to be at the club and I don't think anyone would try and argue otherwise. However when he has played he is quite comfortably the best player in a Stoke shirt and more importantly appears to leave nothing on the pitch after the game. He may not want to be here but he has always given a fully committed performance which is more than can be said for just about every other player in the squad. It's verging on the ridiculous that he is not being selected. We don’t know what goes on behind the scenes. If you were manager, would you pick the best player if his attitude in training and around the place was “fuck you lot”, I only put in full effort on game day because I’m looking to get a move”? Again, I don’t know what is happening but clearly there is something going on that we don’t know about. At the end of the day, we either trust that MON will get these decisions right or we don’t. If he doesn’t, we are buggered I would if we were 23rd in the league and staring a trip to Gillingham in the face, yeah.
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Post by kustokie on Nov 30, 2019 21:06:41 GMT
That’s four managers in a row that consistently pick the wrong team. There must be some players that grab the coaches’ attention between games and play shit “on the day”, and vice versa.
edit. Of course it doesn’t help that we have the worst defense in the league that has no confidence in the goalkeeper.
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Post by canadianmoose on Nov 30, 2019 21:08:25 GMT
I can only assume Badou and Etebo have told the board and MON that they have no intention of being here at the end of January 2020. That can be the only reason they arent being picked. I would understand if that's the case as it would certainly not do the dressing room much good if that kind of attitude was in the starting 11. Clearly there is SOME reason otherwise it would be bonkers. I can only suggest we let MON manage. We need this guy to get it right or we are fucked. Who's not letting O'Neill manage? We'll support the team and the manager. Doesn't mean that in a discussion forum we can't be critical of, for instance, a dubious team selection. Lol, I’m just putting a discussion point forward. That’s the point. Endlessly saying it’s crazy that badou and Etebo aren’t playing without discussing potential reasons why makes little sense either. MON has his reasons. What are they? That’s more interesting. Fuck me, the amount of folks looking to get into a full blown argument over nothing on this forum gets tedious.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 30, 2019 21:09:33 GMT
Who's not letting O'Neill manage? We'll support the team and the manager. Doesn't mean that in a discussion forum we can't be critical of, for instance, a dubious team selection. Lol, I’m just putting a discussion point forward. That’s the point. Endlessly saying it’s crazy that badou and Etebo aren’t playing without discussing potential reasons why makes little sense either. MON has his reasons. What are they? That’s more interesting. Fuck me, the amount of folks looking to get into a full blown argument over nothing on this forum gets tedious. The point is that pretty much any and all of the possible reasons are stupid given our position.
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