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Post by wolfinsheepsclothing on Nov 30, 2019 17:48:02 GMT
His game plan from the start was completely wrong playing a 4-5-1 at home and sitting deep that's definitely not playing on the front foot need to start playing a direct 4-4-2 and high press teams at home I don't think possession football suits this squad. Worse still, the 5 were split up, leaving huge gaps in the centre which they strolled through time after time. At one point Woods and Allen were both playing in solely our half
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Post by walrus on Nov 30, 2019 17:51:22 GMT
It’s so frustrating to see MON making the same mistakes Jones and Rowett did.
He needs to learn from this mistake very quickly. I’ll judge him after Luton.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 17:53:46 GMT
I didn’t think he did badly. CCV was better defensively than Edwards, but terrible going forward. Batth, Indi and Ward are terrible for deciding to take turns going to sleep, but really who else is there at present?
I didn’t like Vokes up top on his own, but he did well with a few flick ons from Woods. Really the only obvious decision is to have Etebo for Allen and potentially NDiaye for Woods.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 30, 2019 17:55:07 GMT
It wasn't great today, I don't mind him choosing an 11 he thinks will win us the game but it was a worry he didn't think Vokes needed to come off after having zero affect on the game throughout.
I can't say I'm convinced with 4-3-3 either, three managers have tried it and it gets the same results, awful football, it needs a rethink.
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Post by march4 on Nov 30, 2019 17:55:16 GMT
For some reason our Board have decided to appoint as manager some bloke with no experience who won’t even give up his other job in order to devote his full attention to us.
Is it any wonder it already looks like a disastrous decision.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 17:56:41 GMT
It’s so frustrating to see MON making the same mistakes Jones and Rowett did. He needs to learn from this mistake very quickly. I’ll judge him after Luton. This is the big problem with swapping managers. You end up kicking the can down the road. The cast offs get another chance, a la Woods. You waste games and points while the new manager finds his best side and works out why the cast offs became the cast offs in the first place. On top of that, the shithouses in the dressing room, or cheats as I referred to them after Barnsley, get another free ride. I simply haven't hated a team of ours as much as this. I cannot stand a single one of them.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 30, 2019 17:57:11 GMT
I’ve read that three times and it’s hurting my head Sorry I'll spell it out: The whole squad are shit regardless of who plays. They are not very good at football and have suspect character. Something that the manager alluded to in his interview.
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Post by sutekh on Nov 30, 2019 18:00:33 GMT
For some reason our Board have decided to appoint as manager some bloke with no experience who won’t even give up his other job in order to devote his full attention to us. Is it any wonder it already looks like a disastrous decision. For fucks sake drop it March the capped cunt is not coming back so just let it go 😂
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 30, 2019 18:00:59 GMT
It seems to me that the current situation is similar to Jones last season. MON is trying out different players each match, but, unlike Jones, without wholesale changes to the line up. He is also trying to keep everyone happy by giving them some game time. Unfortunately it seems that each new manager has to go through the learning curve of discovering that our "big name" players are pretty poor before dispensing with them. It is becoming critically important that the club has a big clear out in January and raises some revenue to balance the books. MON has to be sure of who he wants to let go and retain. Being the eternal optimist, there is still over half the season to play and we still have to play some of the other bottom teams, some of whom got mauled today. Since MON arrived, we have actually "improved" our GD relative to the teams around us, despite conceding a silly goal every match. Personally I don't think we will improve till we have some genuine creativity in the side. Our MF are all huff and puff without a creative idea amongst them, and our wide men and FBs can't beat a man or/and centre accurately. We could have the best striker in the league but they will not score unless someone creates chances, which has not changed since Arni left apart from the sporadic efforts of Shaq and the rare appearances of Bojan. Rowett and Jones signings have been generally very poor. See you at Hull.
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Post by kustokie on Nov 30, 2019 18:03:15 GMT
It’s beginning to look more and more like the manager is not the problem.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Nov 30, 2019 18:07:22 GMT
It’s so frustrating to see MON making the same mistakes Jones and Rowett did. He needs to learn from this mistake very quickly. I’ll judge him after Luton. This is the big problem with swapping managers. You end up kicking the can down the road. The cast offs get another chance, a la Woods. You waste games and points while the new manager finds his best side and works out why the cast offs became the cast offs in the first place. On top of that, the shithouses in the dressing room, or cheats as I referred to them after Barnsley, get another free ride. I simply haven't hated a team of ours as much as this. I cannot stand a single one of them. Yeah, agree with a lot of that. Whilst it is good to see some players reintroduced, you soon realise why some were ostracised in the first place. I do feel for MON because he’s literally picking what he deems the best turds from a collection of humongous shits. Learning on the job in our position is never a good thing. I’m just hoping he’s taking everything on game by game and realising what he can and can’t do with what’s on offer. That said, why our managers are so reluctant to play two up front continues to baffle me. We are nowhere near good enough in either box to play as a fluid attacking side or a tight defensive one. It’s been a mess for 18 months in this league and still is. It’s a dull insipid mess with zero quality so if I was MON I’d go 4-4-2 and put two wingers on and put balls into the box for Diouf and AN other to attack.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 18:10:00 GMT
No mention of indi? One of the worst players ever to play for stoke? You'll be calling for the return of Wollscheid next...
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Post by serpico on Nov 30, 2019 18:10:20 GMT
Yet another manager completely, utterly and totally out of his depth. And the worst thing about it is that anyone with an iota of common sense knew he would be. Who do you suggest would have done a better job ? 😊 It’s a bit early to write him off, isn’t it ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 18:12:37 GMT
Yet another manager completely, utterly and totally out of his depth. And the worst thing about it is that anyone with an iota of common sense knew he would be. Who do you suggest would have done a better job ? 😊 It’s a bit early to write him off, isn’t it ? The 1 rule of the internet, don't feed the troll
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 30, 2019 18:15:13 GMT
Don't want to be too harsh as the ones that don't play always see their stock rise after a performance as dismal as that- but not playing Etebo and Badou - and compounding it by playing CCV at right-back in a home game is barmy.
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Post by palerider on Nov 30, 2019 18:15:20 GMT
Went three at the back to score but then did not revert back to a back four when we scored ,could of drove a bus through our defence ,you can see it unfolding And there’s nothing you can do about it , Took 70 mins to get back,2 mins to feek it up
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Post by serpico on Nov 30, 2019 18:16:00 GMT
Who do you suggest would have done a better job ? 😊 It’s a bit early to write him off, isn’t it ? The 1 rule of the internet, don't feed the troll just a few crumbs, he looks Hungry 🙂
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 30, 2019 18:16:47 GMT
It’s beginning to look more and more like the manager is not the problem. We knew that already.
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Post by smallthorner on Nov 30, 2019 18:17:08 GMT
Don't want to be too harsh as the ones that don't play always see their stock rise after a performance as dismal as that- but not playing Etebo and Badou - and compounding it by playing CCV at right-back in a home game is barmy. It's bordering on a sackable offence. He should at least get a written warning 😊
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Post by bagnallboothen on Nov 30, 2019 18:17:30 GMT
The thing is, he's played for the Dutch national team over 30 times so he cannot be that bad can he? Last played at that level in 2016 (when he got sent off). Coincidentally, 2016 is the year he first came to Stoke. Maybe it's us that's the problem? Can't be that bad? He's as bad a centre back as I've seen down stoke. I watched him closely all game. Constantly given simple passes away. And that second goal! I'd seriously have wimmer back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He's the better centre backs of the 2 we keep selecting. That tells you everything you need to know about the other one.
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Post by harlequin on Nov 30, 2019 18:18:28 GMT
It's a learning curve for him. We've had the benefit of watching some of these players for years and know how they play inside out.
I thought his subs and formation change positively changed the game. Though finding a way to get Vokes off and Badou on would have been the gold standard.
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Post by lordb on Nov 30, 2019 18:18:35 GMT
Went three at the back to score but then did not revert back to a back four when we scored ,could of drove a bus through our defence ,you can see it unfolding And there’s nothing you can do about it , Took 70 mins to get back,2 mins to feek it up How could he reverted to a back four? Wasn't an option without playing either MacKean at left back or Diouf at right back
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 18:18:36 GMT
This is the big problem with swapping managers. You end up kicking the can down the road. The cast offs get another chance, a la Woods. You waste games and points while the new manager finds his best side and works out why the cast offs became the cast offs in the first place. On top of that, the shithouses in the dressing room, or cheats as I referred to them after Barnsley, get another free ride. I simply haven't hated a team of ours as much as this. I cannot stand a single one of them. Yeah, agree with a lot of that. Whilst it is good to see some players reintroduced, you soon realise why some were ostracised in the first place. I do feel for MON because he’s literally picking what he deems the best turds from a collection of humongous shits. Learning on the job in our position is never a good thing. I’m just hoping he’s taking everything on game by game and realising what he can and can’t do with what’s on offer. That said, why our managers are so reluctant to play two up front continues to baffle me. We are nowhere near good enough in either box to play as a fluid attacking side or a tight defensive one. It’s been a mess for 18 months in this league and still is. It’s a dull insipid mess with zero quality so if I was MON I’d go 4-4-2 and put two wingers on and put balls into the box for Diouf and AN other to attack. Which two wingers would you put on that we aren't already playing? And which AN other can you find for us for the next game? Then finally what will you do when Diouf runs out of steam after 10-15 minutes in the first half?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 30, 2019 18:19:23 GMT
Honeymoon period for sure. I'd keep him for the next 12 months whatever but today out of ten? One out of ten would be stretching wouldn't it?
Fucking appalling shit all round.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 18:20:18 GMT
It’s beginning to look more and more like the manager is not the problem. And yet look how bright we looked with 2 up top and everyone playing in their preferred positions a few games ago...
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 30, 2019 18:20:34 GMT
His game plan from the start was completely wrong playing a 4-5-1 at home and sitting deep that's definitely not playing on the front foot need to start playing a direct 4-4-2 and high press teams at home I don't think possession football suits this squad. Football doesn't suit this so called squad.
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Post by serpico on Nov 30, 2019 18:20:38 GMT
The thing is, TP wouldn’t have hit the ground running, whoever came in was going to struggle with this huge, disjointed squad of players. Some things are unforgivable though, like CCV at full back, playing vokes as a lone striker and leaving our best player on the bench.
I don’t want MoN sacked over this, and I’m not writing him off, but maybe on Monday morning they should allow a select group of fans to pelt him with eggs on the training ground as a deterrent ?
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Post by ursemboys on Nov 30, 2019 18:20:53 GMT
For some reason our Board have decided to appoint as manager some bloke with no experience who won’t even give up his other job in order to devote his full attention to us. Is it any wonder it already looks like a disastrous decision. You depress the fuck out of me with you constant crap.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 30, 2019 18:21:04 GMT
It’s beginning to look more and more like the manager is not the problem. Clearly any manager would have a job on to do anything with this squad but O’Neill’s team selection today dropped more bollocks than the Eunuch-maker general after a night on the sherry.
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Post by Godo on Nov 30, 2019 18:22:03 GMT
Mr O'Neill has inherited a team with no pace ( we must have the average lowest speed in the division), that doesn't know how to pass and move (Clucas aside), that has no precision in it's control or passing and that has no bite. Until, as an absolute starting point, we have athletic full backs we will continue to struggle badly.
Butland - needs to be playing to find form or put himself in the shop window. Cameron-Vickers - was awful today and at least Edwards gives the wide player some support and can occasionally land a decent cross Ward - like watching an over excited pensioner trying to be first to the Christmas buffet at the old people's home. We needed a left back we signed a left back's dad. Batth - pretty poor distribution but ok Martins-Indi - as soon as you saw him isolated you knew they'd score the second -the slowest player in a very slow team and don't recall him winning a ball all day Woods - simply ineffectual - not big/tough enough to be a defensive midfield destroyer but without the range of passing to be a deep lying playmaker - a vacuum. Allen - how can anyone have played so much international football and be so bad at controlling a ball and passing? Clucas - at least looks to find space and possesses an approximation of a footballing brain. Ince - How can a professional player who has played wide midfield for so long be so one footed and therefore so easy to mark out of games? MCClean -not one of his better games but still puts in more telling crosses than anyone else Vokes - My daughter has a novelty soft caterpillar draught excluder that has more movement than Vokes Hogan - has an eye for goal but looks like a pub footballer who has turned up after his Sunday lunch most of the time. Powell - and people say Ince is a bottler?? Diouf - if enthusiasm was talent he'd be fine but sadly it isn't...….
Not selected- Edwards -defensively suspect but at least would provide the wide man with support N'Diaye/Etebo - along with Clucas would be our best midfield 3 so why not selected I have no idea? Gregory - not exactly a goal scoring threat but at least he pulls the opposition defence around a bit whereas Vokes is as easy to mark as a lumpy old sofa
Then add in the shit on loan - Wimmer/Imbula/Bauer/Afobe - and you begin to realise that although £1.5 million is an obscene amount of money for his salary if he is to keep this pile of shit up Mr O'Neill will earn every penny.
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