He had to go, he knew that too, but if things had gone his way .. shawcross, and some players playing for him etc.......he would have been a great passionate manager for Stoke
Tra Nath, you promised so much but in reality you were absolutely useless, saddled the club with rubbish you didn’t even play and have set the club on course for 10,000 gates and even more misery in League One.
He had to go, he knew that too, but if things had gone his way .. shawcross, and some players playing for him etc.......he would have been a great passionate manager for Stoke
What evidence was there that he would ever turn into a great manager, terrible signings, stuck with a system that none of his signings or existing players could cope with, no goal threat despite throwing 9 million at a striker just playing out the end of his career. The distinction of having the worst record of any Stoke manager in living memory.
Post by Cast no shadow on Nov 2, 2019 11:05:17 GMT
He'll be banging his chest elsewhere by Easter. He's made us considerably worse and left us with even more shite players whilst picking up a massive wage.
Those slating him should blame the board not the manager.
hes nearly worked himself into a grave giving his all
Alas it seems what he had wasnt good enough
It always looked a massive gamble....that's down to john coates etc
Give jones a break
Did the board make him chop and change the team every week?
Did the board make him abandon the system he’d spent the entire summer preparing for and eulogising about?
Did the board make him sign Jordan Cousins as our DM, ignore the left back situation and spend £4m on a player who now looks to be our third choice right back?
Did the board make him sign players who he barely used?
We will regret not giving him time to bring the project to fruition.
What project MD? The one he himself lost faith in every week? The one that by the time he left seemed to have fewer pieces of the puzzle in place than when he arrived?
We will regret not giving him time to bring the project to fruition.
What project MD? The one he himself lost faith in every week? The one that by the time he left seemed to have fewer pieces of the puzzle in place than when he arrived?
The one that relied on pace and yet produced one of the slowest sides in Stoke City history.
I'm conflicted about him ( well slightly anyway ). I know he cared and tried but after such poor transfer business over the summer it's very hard to see what was in his mind in respect of s plan. He was clearly a snake oil salesman as none of what he promised happened in any way at all. He hasleft us in an even bigger mess than we were in when he arrived. With a team of what appear to be disinterested rejects and what appears to be zero morale. Let's face it his tenure was a total disaster.
All that said, however, I bear him no enmity, unlike Hughes who I now dislike intensely.
“All paths are the same: they lead nowhere. ... Does this path have a heart? If it does, the path is good; if it doesn't, it is of no use. Both paths lead nowhere; but one has a heart, the other doesn't. One makes for a joyful journey; as long as you follow it, you are one with it. The other will make you curse your life. One makes you strong; the other weakens you.”
While I have misgivings about his approach to the job you have to admit the bloke had little or no luck in his time here.
Bollocks to luck, he was rubbish.
Shoehorning an aging, largely shit LW at LB - persists with him there for games on end despite all our goals conceded coming down that flank.
Despite Butland chucking them in his net every game, only dropping him after 4 matches then inexplicably dropping Federici and putting him back in goal for the Bristol City, Brentford and Forest games.
Failing to sign “young, athletic players” particularly in the full back positions to play his beloved diamond formation.
The constant changing (5/6 changes every game) of personnel.
The constant changing of formation game-to-game and even in-game - 4-1-2-1-2 to 5-1-2-1-1 to 4-1-4-1 to 4-3-3.
The signing of Jordan Cousins because he was top drawer at Charlton U18s, 5 years ago.
The signings of Davies, Powell, Ward, Vokes, Smith and Duffy.
The signing of the second coming of Steven Tweed - Liam Lindsay.
Nathan Jones’ downfall has nothing to do with luck, it was because he was out of his depth the day he walked through the door.
Those slating him should blame the board not the manager.
hes nearly worked himself into a grave giving his all
Alas it seems what he had wasnt good enough
It always looked a massive gamble....that's down to john coates etc
Give jones a break
Did the board make him chop and change the team every week?
Did the board make him abandon the system he’d spent the entire summer preparing for and eulogising about?
Did the board make him sign Jordan Cousins as our DM, ignore the left back situation and spend £4m on a player who now looks to be our third choice right back?
Did the board make him sign players who he barely used?
No they didn't. But having seen him do all those things, they dithered and dithered and dithered some more before acting. Even this week, why have they waited until Friday to act?
Did the board make him chop and change the team every week?
Did the board make him abandon the system he’d spent the entire summer preparing for and eulogising about?
Did the board make him sign Jordan Cousins as our DM, ignore the left back situation and spend £4m on a player who now looks to be our third choice right back?
Did the board make him sign players who he barely used?
No they didn't. But having seen him do all those things, the dithered and dithered and dithered some more before acting. Even this week, why have they waited until Friday to act?
While I have misgivings about his approach to the job you have to admit the bloke had little or no luck in his time here.
Yes we could have another 7-10 points barring player mistakes and bad luck, that said he didn't help himself with tactics and team selection, or the transfer market.
While I have misgivings about his approach to the job you have to admit the bloke had little or no luck in his time here.
Yes we could have another 7-10 points barring player mistakes and bad luck, that said he didn't help himself with tactics and team selection, or the transfer market.
“All paths are the same: they lead nowhere. ... Does this path have a heart? If it does, the path is good; if it doesn't, it is of no use. Both paths lead nowhere; but one has a heart, the other doesn't. One makes for a joyful journey; as long as you follow it, you are one with it. The other will make you curse your life. One makes you strong; the other weakens you.”
While I have misgivings about his approach to the job you have to admit the bloke had little or no luck in his time here.
Bollocks to luck, he was rubbish.
Shoehorning an aging, largely shit LW at LB - persists with him there for games on end despite all our goals conceded coming down that flank.
Despite Butland chucking them in his net every game, only dropping him after 4 matches then inexplicably dropping Federici and putting him back in goal for the Bristol City, Brentford and Forest games.
Failing to sign “young, athletic players” particularly in the full back positions to play his beloved diamond formation.
The constant changing (5/6 changes every game) of personnel.
The constant changing of formation game-to-game and even in-game - 4-1-2-1-2 to 5-1-2-1-1 to 4-1-4-1 to 4-3-3.
The signing of Jordan Cousins because he was top drawer at Charlton U18s, 5 years ago.
The signings of Davies, Powell, Ward, Vokes, Smith and Duffy.
The signing of the second coming of Steven Tweed - Liam Lindsay.
Nathan Jones’ downfall has nothing to do with luck, it was because he was out of his depth the day he walked through the door.
Wouldn’t disagree with much of that but I would still maintain that every break that could have gone his way during games absolutely didn’t.
We will regret not giving him time to bring the project to fruition.
What project MD? The one he himself lost faith in every week? The one that by the time he left seemed to have fewer pieces of the puzzle in place than when he arrived?
The one that was clearly still a work in progress, so far as I could see. I'd say it was fairly obvious that, even without apportioning blame, things didn't really go to plan this summer and that it was going to require a few transfer windows to really get things together. Nobody would deny that he made mistakes, especially when he panicked and ditched the diamond earlier in the season, but he was a long term investment. It was supposed to be a long term culture change, and that doesn't happen overnight.
He may well have consigned us to another relegation, so I’m glad he’s gone. I’m infuriated with our board for dithering again and hope that the new man has enough time to sort this shit storm out.
Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 2, 2019 11:56:16 GMT
More incompetent than Kamara and more self aggrandising than Cotterill I never expected to see. Absolutely, utterly useless as a football manager and unlikeable as an individual. The fact that fans still 'feel' for him and were prepared to back him says a lot about our support now.
20 years ago there'd have been more than one pitch invasion during his tenure. He's gotten off incredibly lightly.
If somebody comes in and pulls off a miracle by keeping us up it should be viewed as the equivalent to a promotion and the manager lauded accordingly.
