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Post by eastyorksexile on Nov 2, 2019 18:59:44 GMT
Good riddance to him as far as I am concerned, he did absolutely nothing during his time at Stoke except to ship out so called bad egg players, replace them with mundane ones and still no decent left back, he has been an utter failure.....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2019 19:09:12 GMT
I agree , he was way short of what was needed, but he did what he thought was right with everything he had......you’ve got to blame the owners for such reckless decisions and gambles theyll do it again and again because they are fucking clueless That’s true of every football manager ever pretty much though isn’t it? He merits a portion of the blame at least? If it was Hughes and his attitude I could understand it, but jones has done his best to make it work I agree his best wasnt good enough but, what more could he have done than his best?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 2, 2019 19:12:09 GMT
That’s true of every football manager ever pretty much though isn’t it? He merits a portion of the blame at least? If it was Hughes and his attitude I could understand it, but jones has done his best to make it work I agree his best wasnt good enough but, what more could he have done than his best? But Alan Ball ‘did his best’ too... Jones’ best involved numerous unfathomable, needless decisions that got him and us into more and more trouble, whatever his intentions were, surely he can’t be absolved of blame?
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Nov 2, 2019 19:14:31 GMT
Nathan and his team won't be having a plaque on the boardroom.
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Post by wakeypotter on Nov 2, 2019 19:17:30 GMT
Oh dear never mind what a shame.......and good riddance. The best thing he did was get rid of Bojan You really are a weirdo zerps
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2019 19:17:44 GMT
That’s true of every football manager ever pretty much though isn’t it? He merits a portion of the blame at least? If it was Hughes and his attitude I could understand it, but jones has done his best to make it worse.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 2, 2019 19:31:57 GMT
Good riddance to him as far as I am concerned, he did absolutely nothing during his time at Stoke except to ship out so called bad egg players, replace them with mundane ones and still no decent left back, he has been an utter failure..... How could anyone sell Pieters for £1m and think replacing him with McClean or Ward was a good move, failing to replace Pieters and Bojan with like for like or better players plus signing forwards who can't score have hamstrung us, whoever gets this shit sandwich will have to be a miracle worker to save us from relegation. I am pleased he has finally gone even though it is months too late.
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Post by sheds1862 on Nov 2, 2019 21:24:48 GMT
Next MK Dons manager
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Post by starkiller on Nov 2, 2019 23:06:43 GMT
God didn't do a lot for you Nathan but keep the faith. LOL. He gave him a big fat contract and a payoff for 10 months acting. Praise the lord!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 6:58:09 GMT
His record here was appalling but I think history will show that it wasn't all down to Jones. Something we just can't see right now.
He struggled to turn around the mess that was created by Hughes and amplified by Rowett and it's easy to see why.
His first job at this level managing these players after his first job went so well. He hinted at it a number of times in interviews where he pretty much admitted that he hadn't suffered this level of failure before and wasn't used to it.
Therefore defacto he didn't know how to deal with it which in my opinion showed with the chopping and changing which was obviously out of desperation.
He'll come back stronger of which I have no doubt but that certainly doesn't help us now.
I've said it before and will continue to do so. As supporters we have two choices when any new manager or player walks through the door. Support or not. The owners have the greatest choice and foresight of the lot. They know their club inside out, what it needs and when and they interview candidates.
They chose to take the risk of Rowett followed by a manager in only his third full season in management to turn around a failing squad full of expensive flops.
With all of the money spent, and in true supporters hindsight you just have to look back and ask "With all the money you ended up spending, money we had no idea you intended on spending in the summer following relegation, why oh why did you go down this road to expensive oblivion?"
Ultimately Jones was a risk appointment that failed. I can't be a hypocrite and criticise it since I've been so vocal about Graham Potter, but deep inside that it really does prove just how clueless our owners are that they are buried so deep in the business that they chose completely the wrong type of risk appointment, when they have made billions being on the right side of risk every single day of their lives.
The irony isn't lost on me.
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Post by felonious on Nov 3, 2019 7:16:16 GMT
Tra Nath, you promised so much but in reality you were absolutely useless, saddled the club with rubbish you didn’t even play and have set the club on course for 10,000 gates and even more misery in League One. Good luck my arse. P38 W6 D15 L17 An absolute disaster. It's unfortunately this, a man that you desperately wanted to succeed but judged on results ability and signings, just full of bullshit. To be fair to the supporters he's been given an easy ride but it was akin to trying to will a Berahino goal into the back of the net. Nice bloke but mad as a Hatter. Proof that there is no God
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Post by felonious on Nov 3, 2019 7:17:33 GMT
That’s true of every football manager ever pretty much though isn’t it? He merits a portion of the blame at least? If it was Hughes and his attitude I could understand it, but jones has done his best to make it work I agree his best wasnt good enough but, what more could he have done than his best? Resign?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 8:14:42 GMT
If it was Hughes and his attitude I could understand it, but jones has done his best to make it work I agree his best wasnt good enough but, what more could he have done than his best? Resign? Not being a quitter is a plus in a manager yes?
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Post by tosh on Nov 3, 2019 8:48:23 GMT
Resign? Not being a quitter is a plus in a manager yes? It’s definitely a plus to his bank manager!
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 4, 2019 17:25:21 GMT
The one that was clearly still a work in progress, so far as I could see. I'd say it was fairly obvious that, even without apportioning blame, things didn't really go to plan this summer and that it was going to require a few transfer windows to really get things together. Nobody would deny that he made mistakes, especially when he panicked and ditched the diamond earlier in the season, but he was a long term investment. It was supposed to be a long term culture change, and that doesn't happen overnight. What was the work in progress? He himself didn’t seem to know. What evidence was there that he was going to stop chopping and changing his team? What evidence was there that he was going to get it right in the next few windows? No less an authority than your good self was saying at the start of the season that there will be teething problems and we have to be prepared for a bumpy ride to reap the long term rewards (paraphrasing). You can't just chuck that in the toilet after ten games on the basis of some very short term issues. At the very least you must be able to admit that the timing of the sacking was insane? After the Huddersfield defeat, the choice was surely to sack him on the spot or give him assurances until Christmas. How could sacking him after then winning the two trickiest games in a four game spell make any sense? I have no doubt that on our current trajectory, we will see his next club go flying past us in the league.
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Post by Miles Offside on Nov 4, 2019 17:27:03 GMT
Although he's a bit odd, I couldn't say that I really disliked the bloke. Should've gone weeks ago, though.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 4, 2019 17:29:16 GMT
What was the work in progress? He himself didn’t seem to know. What evidence was there that he was going to stop chopping and changing his team? What evidence was there that he was going to get it right in the next few windows? No less an authority than your good self was saying at the start of the season that there will be teething problems and we have to be prepared for a bumpy ride to reap the long term rewards (paraphrasing). You can't just chuck that in the toilet after ten games on the basis of some very short term issues. At the very least you must be able to admit that the timing of the sacking was insane? After the Huddersfield defeat, the choice was surely to sack him on the spot or give him assurances until Christmas. How could sacking him after then winning the two trickiest games in a four game spell make any sense? I have no doubt that on our current trajectory, we will see his next club go flying past us in the league. The timing of the sacking was very strange, yes. What I don't get, MD, is the idea these were 'teething problems'. I lost faith with him when he ditched his diamond and started chopping and changing the team in a mad panic every week. Those are not the actions of a man with a plan or someone who knows what he's doing. Neither was his miserable transfer window in which he addressed pretty much none of the problems he had and actually managed to create a couple more in the process. If he'd kept the faith with his system and settled on a first choice side I could've bought into it and accepted that we were creating chances and he should get longer. But he didn't and there was literally zero evidence that he was going to. What do you think was going to change and based on what?
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 4, 2019 18:04:32 GMT
I agree that the timing is strange.
Why wait so long after earlier defeats in the season if they were not 100% behind him.
Why wait after the last defeat, which admittedly was a very poor performance, but then when did we last win in London?
I can only assume that either 1. the club just don't know what they are doing, or 2. there has been internal arguments and debates, or 3. there is someone in waiting for the job, who refused to enter into negotiations till the previous manager has gone, and now there is a delay while the wrangling goes on because the potential new manager is in the strong negotiating position, and can make extortionate demands.
As for Nathan's tenure, it is easy to list all the things that have gone wrong and blame him. There are some on here writing disparaging remarks about him, but it is easy to criticize on the sidelines not knowing the internals of the club, and all the difficulties Jones has had to contend with. My immediate reaction is the Stoke City have just ruined another young manager's career and he is not entirely to blame for the predicament we are in.
I wish Nathan all the best. He achieved a great deal before he came to us. Whether he can repeat that elsewhere only time will tell.
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Post by burberrybassist on Nov 4, 2019 18:12:57 GMT
Your signings were terrible, your tactics were questionable and your substitutions infuriating, but I wanted you to do well more than any other manager I can remember. You seem a thoroughly nice bloke, if not a little unhinged. I wish you all the best but you had to go. So long Nath!
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Post by questionable on Nov 4, 2019 18:19:20 GMT
Nothing to dislike about the bloke whatsoever, seems a very positive thinking individual, problem is that whoever comes in to replace him will have the same inept buffoons above him making insanely stupid decisions, oh and he’s not very good as a football manager also.
There’s something fundamentally wrong at the club and I can’t get the idea of certain players retaining their PL wages as the main reason, or a certain person poking his rat faced nose in
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Post by miffmister on Nov 4, 2019 18:32:46 GMT
All the best, pitty half the players don't have his passion!
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Post by thestatusquo on Nov 4, 2019 18:46:41 GMT
He’ll be crying all the way to the bank. He was a huge gamble that backfired immensely!! Alarm bells should have been ringing when he started bringing in players who were polar opposite of what he said he would bring. He’s been incredibly lucky to have lasted as long as he did when it’s been blindingly obvious he wasn’t up to the job
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 4, 2019 18:53:41 GMT
All the best, pitty half the players don't have his passion! Pity he signed 12 very very average players who either didn't want to play for him who aren't good enough to compete in the Championship or the system he bought them in to play, passion is fine if you can back it up with the simple basics of building a team that we can be proud of.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 4, 2019 19:00:50 GMT
Your signings were terrible, your tactics were questionable and your substitutions infuriating, but I wanted you to do well more than any other manager I can remember. You seem a thoroughly nice bloke, if not a little unhinged. I wish you all the best but you had to go. So long Nath! Must be a coincidence but you don't see many successful managers who are nice blokes, I don't see why people are feeling sorry for him he was a total and utter failure from start to finish fact.
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Post by redstriper on Nov 4, 2019 20:27:09 GMT
I feel much much sorrier for our hard core fans who earn a fraction of what he got, and actually pay to turn up every week.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2019 20:37:55 GMT
After watching the players that he has signed lumbering around the pitch for the first 30 minutes tonight, looking like a non league side, I can honestly say I wish him nothing but fucking shit in the rest of his lower league football career.
And to think, he had me hoodwinked for a while, thinking he was a sound bloke who needed a break. The fraudulent wanker.
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Post by loosestools on Nov 4, 2019 22:04:35 GMT
A total imposter who beguiled John Coates, the daft twat.
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 5, 2019 7:42:22 GMT
No less an authority than your good self was saying at the start of the season that there will be teething problems and we have to be prepared for a bumpy ride to reap the long term rewards (paraphrasing). You can't just chuck that in the toilet after ten games on the basis of some very short term issues. At the very least you must be able to admit that the timing of the sacking was insane? After the Huddersfield defeat, the choice was surely to sack him on the spot or give him assurances until Christmas. How could sacking him after then winning the two trickiest games in a four game spell make any sense? I have no doubt that on our current trajectory, we will see his next club go flying past us in the league. The timing of the sacking was very strange, yes. What I don't get, MD, is the idea these were 'teething problems'. I lost faith with him when he ditched his diamond and started chopping and changing the team in a mad panic every week. Those are not the actions of a man with a plan or someone who knows what he's doing. Neither was his miserable transfer window in which he addressed pretty much none of the problems he had and actually managed to create a couple more in the process. If he'd kept the faith with his system and settled on a first choice side I could've bought into it and accepted that we were creating chances and he should get longer. But he didn't and there was literally zero evidence that he was going to. What do you think was going to change and based on what? I think the signs were that his panic was over and he was returning to his diamond. We were genuinely excellent against Fulham and Swansea and deserved winners. The players, or N'Diaye at the very least, seemed to be behind him. There were some awful games, but some with real green shoots where we didn't deserve to lose. We have a new Cartwright (somebody used to working with Jones, so another bizarre element of the sacking) who may have improved recruitment.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 5, 2019 7:47:18 GMT
The timing of the sacking was very strange, yes. What I don't get, MD, is the idea these were 'teething problems'. I lost faith with him when he ditched his diamond and started chopping and changing the team in a mad panic every week. Those are not the actions of a man with a plan or someone who knows what he's doing. Neither was his miserable transfer window in which he addressed pretty much none of the problems he had and actually managed to create a couple more in the process. If he'd kept the faith with his system and settled on a first choice side I could've bought into it and accepted that we were creating chances and he should get longer. But he didn't and there was literally zero evidence that he was going to. What do you think was going to change and based on what? I think the signs were that his panic was over and he was returning to his diamond. We were genuinely excellent against Fulham and Swansea and deserved winners. The players, or N'Diaye at the very least, seemed to be behind him. There were some awful games, but some with real green shoots where we didn't deserve to lose. We have a new Cartwright (somebody used to working with Jones, so another bizarre element of the sacking) who may have improved recruitment. But we were poor at Wednesday and awful at Millwall, during which he again ditched the system. He had to be bailed out by players we and I suspect he never expected to play for the club again like Badou and BMI. Every time there was a green shoot, he'd tread on it by panicking the second we had a bad result. There was no sign that was going to change.
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