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Post by franklin66 on Dec 18, 2019 21:30:29 GMT
Keep going Denise I think your a very attractive lady 😉 fancy a bit of rough 🍆 She can earn what she wants but wasn’t blessed with looks whatsoever, in simple terms she’s a bit of a minger. From what I was told the first job for her PA is to photograph her upon her arrival in the morning just to make sure she’s not wearing the same clothes to much Are you mad the billionaire is gorgeous 😁
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Post by algor on Dec 18, 2019 21:58:07 GMT
Spot on. The whole gambling thing just is not right I believe that any Society that rewards someone who owns a betting company about 10,000 times more than a surgeon or doctor is pretty fucked up. And people who somehow think it's OK are either very dim or mentally ill "Society" didn't reward her! She built a business, employed, 4000 local people, paid corporation tax and well over 100 million in personal taxes. Unfortunately she isn't a doctor or a surgeon but her existence doesn't mean that there are less doctors or surgeons. The only correlation made is the salary but the tax paid is the same. If she retired tomorrow there wouldn't be more doctors or surgeons so I have to question who is dim or mentally ill.
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Post by kustokie on Dec 19, 2019 1:36:02 GMT
I believe that any Society that rewards someone who owns a betting company about 10,000 times more than a surgeon or doctor is pretty fucked up. And people who somehow think it's OK are either very dim or mentally ill "Society" didn't reward her! She built a business, employed, 4000 local people, paid corporation tax and well over 100 million in personal taxes. Unfortunately she isn't a doctor or a surgeon but her existence doesn't mean that there are less doctors or surgeons. The only correlation made is the salary but the tax paid is the same. If she retired tomorrow there wouldn't be more doctors or surgeons so I have to question who is dim or mentally ill. How many became addicted to gambling and made bankrupt?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 1:46:33 GMT
"Society" didn't reward her! She built a business, employed, 4000 local people, paid corporation tax and well over 100 million in personal taxes. Unfortunately she isn't a doctor or a surgeon but her existence doesn't mean that there are less doctors or surgeons. The only correlation made is the salary but the tax paid is the same. If she retired tomorrow there wouldn't be more doctors or surgeons so I have to question who is dim or mentally ill. How many became addicted to gambling and made bankrupt? So you are now in favour of closing down the "casino business", as you call it? Whilst that happens maybe we should shut down the breweries and distilleries? Oh hang on - you tried that once didn't you?
Is there anything else that you disapprove of?
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Post by zerps on Dec 19, 2019 7:43:30 GMT
Spot on. The whole gambling thing just is not right I believe that any Society that rewards someone who owns a betting company about 10,000 times more than a surgeon or doctor is pretty fucked up. And people who somehow think it's OK are either very dim or mentally ill Being dim would be suggesting the nhs can afford to pay doctors as much as the owner of the biggest betting company on the planet 😆
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 19, 2019 8:09:24 GMT
Greed is not good! One of my pleasures in life, is having a little flutter. The problem is I'm a bad loser. It will never ever break me though! Still not picking enough winners, mate? I feel your pain.
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Post by henry on Dec 19, 2019 8:45:27 GMT
Paid £125m in personal tax (not Corporation tax). Bet365 employs over 3000 in Stoke area. Bet365 underwrites the debts and losses of Stoke City FC What's your problem? She pays herself £500m over 2 years through an industry that is at best morally questionable and at worst despicable. Well done to her for paying her tax properly. I'm sure it's really difficult to do when she only has 250m a year left over. The 20 richest people in the UK (Denise is 19th) could end UK homelessness with just 4% of their net worth. 20 people. Paying 4% of their money, to completely end UK homelessness. And yet we congratulate them as gods if they chuck a million into a hospice. No human being needs the money she has. It is greed, and it is 'earned' at the cost of the most vulnerable. Agree with most of what you are saying, apart from the morality part of betting. People aren’t forced to bet it’s a choice. The amount of money she is earning though is disgusting.
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Post by ravey123 on Dec 19, 2019 9:14:46 GMT
She pays herself £500m over 2 years through an industry that is at best morally questionable and at worst despicable. Well done to her for paying her tax properly. I'm sure it's really difficult to do when she only has 250m a year left over. The 20 richest people in the UK (Denise is 19th) could end UK homelessness with just 4% of their net worth. 20 people. Paying 4% of their money, to completely end UK homelessness. And yet we congratulate them as gods if they chuck a million into a hospice. No human being needs the money she has. It is greed, and it is 'earned' at the cost of the most vulnerable. Agree with most of what you are saying, apart from the morality part of betting. People aren’t forced to bet it’s a choice. The amount of money she is earning though is disgusting. It’s a private company that she built from scratch so she is entitled to pay herself what she wants. They provide employment for thousands of people (I assume these are decent salaries too - none of this minimum wage stuff). I fail to see how anybody needs or can spend that amount of money but that is her choice. I don’t gamble myself but to call it immoral and damaging are words that can be used for many other industries (cigarettes, alcohol, tax avoidance/evasion). At least the company and Denise pay their taxes in the UK. I also get the impression that they are decent Stoke people (never met her though). If we can’t be proud of the success of one of our own then I despair.
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Post by Squeekster on Dec 19, 2019 9:40:21 GMT
"Society" didn't reward her! She built a business, employed, 4000 local people, paid corporation tax and well over 100 million in personal taxes. Unfortunately she isn't a doctor or a surgeon but her existence doesn't mean that there are less doctors or surgeons. The only correlation made is the salary but the tax paid is the same. If she retired tomorrow there wouldn't be more doctors or surgeons so I have to question who is dim or mentally ill. How many became addicted to gambling and made bankrupt? How many are addicted to cigarettes and alcohol yet these companies keep on making billions, and placing massive burdens on the health services.
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Post by knowingeye on Dec 19, 2019 9:40:38 GMT
People making money is disgusting? People making £500 million in 2 years is disgusting. "Bet365 customers stake £64.49bn on sports over the 12-month period, a 22.7% improvement on the prior year, contributing to revenue across sports betting and gaming growing to £2.98bn.
The Bet365 Group also includes Stoke City Football Club, owned by the Coates family, which reported revenue of £82.0m for the year, which saw it relegated to the second tier of English football. When this contribution was factored in, group revenue was up 7.2% year-on-year, to £3.06bn.
Once the £359.8m in direct costs were stripped out, the gaming business’ gross profit for the year stood at £2.62bn, with the group total rising to £2.70bn once the football club’s revenue was included.
Administrative costs related to gaming came in at £1.85bn, while the football club’s outgoings were £90.9m. This left an operating profit of £767.1m for gaming, and an £8.9m loss for the club, for a total of £758.3m, a 14.8% advance on 2017-18. The operator also made charitable contributions of £86.3m during the year, including an £85.0m donation to the Denise Coates Foundation. Net profit for the year was £681.7m, a 16.0% year-on-year increase."You have still failed to articulate what the problem is other than you don't like someone earning so much money from gambling. Do you like music? Do you like films? Some folk earn more, others earn less. That's life!
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Post by Veritas on Dec 19, 2019 10:14:58 GMT
Paid £125m in personal tax (not Corporation tax). Bet365 employs over 3000 in Stoke area. Bet365 underwrites the debts and losses of Stoke City FC What's your problem? She pays herself £500m over 2 years through an industry that is at best morally questionable and at worst despicable. Well done to her for paying her tax properly. I'm sure it's really difficult to do when she only has 250m a year left over. The 20 richest people in the UK (Denise is 19th) could end UK homelessness with just 4% of their net worth. 20 people. Paying 4% of their money, to completely end UK homelessness. And yet we congratulate them as gods if they chuck a million into a hospice. No human being needs the money she has. It is greed, and it is 'earned' at the cost of the most vulnerable. Like many I am worried about the long term effects of both the gambling boom and the levels of inequality in the UK. However, many of the ultra wealthy do their utmost to avoid paying tax so Denise deserves some credit for that at least.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 11:06:33 GMT
People making £500 million in 2 years is disgusting. "Bet365 customers stake £64.49bn on sports over the 12-month period, a 22.7% improvement on the prior year, contributing to revenue across sports betting and gaming growing to £2.98bn.
The Bet365 Group also includes Stoke City Football Club, owned by the Coates family, which reported revenue of £82.0m for the year, which saw it relegated to the second tier of English football. When this contribution was factored in, group revenue was up 7.2% year-on-year, to £3.06bn.
Once the £359.8m in direct costs were stripped out, the gaming business’ gross profit for the year stood at £2.62bn, with the group total rising to £2.70bn once the football club’s revenue was included.
Administrative costs related to gaming came in at £1.85bn, while the football club’s outgoings were £90.9m. This left an operating profit of £767.1m for gaming, and an £8.9m loss for the club, for a total of £758.3m, a 14.8% advance on 2017-18. The operator also made charitable contributions of £86.3m during the year, including an £85.0m donation to the Denise Coates Foundation. Net profit for the year was £681.7m, a 16.0% year-on-year increase."You have still failed to articulate what the problem is other than you don't like someone earning so much money from gambling. Do you like music? Do you like films? Some folk earn more, others earn less. That's life! I think people fail to grasp just how much money that is. This year she earned the UK average yearly salary in just over an hour. She earned the salary of one of her call workers in about 45 minutes. I don't hate that people earn different amounts of money, and I don't *hate* Denise Coates. I just think the amount of money she earns is ridiculous in a society where some cannot afford basic needs like food, water and housing. Like I say, the world's billionaires could end poverty and world hunger and still have billions left over.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 11:12:03 GMT
She pays herself £500m over 2 years through an industry that is at best morally questionable and at worst despicable. Well done to her for paying her tax properly. I'm sure it's really difficult to do when she only has 250m a year left over. The 20 richest people in the UK (Denise is 19th) could end UK homelessness with just 4% of their net worth. 20 people. Paying 4% of their money, to completely end UK homelessness. And yet we congratulate them as gods if they chuck a million into a hospice. No human being needs the money she has. It is greed, and it is 'earned' at the cost of the most vulnerable. Like many I am worried about the long term effects of both the gambling boom and the levels of inequality in the UK. However, many of the ultra wealthy do their utmost to avoid paying tax so Denise deserves some credit for that at least. I mean, only the same amount of credit that you or I deserve for paying ours. But I get the sentiment, she isn't *as* awful as most other billionaires. I just can't countenance a world where it is acceptable to build a £100m mansion and stick it 20 minutes drive away from an impoverished city with dying homeless and increasing poverty.
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Post by knowingeye on Dec 19, 2019 11:38:03 GMT
Like many I am worried about the long term effects of both the gambling boom and the levels of inequality in the UK. However, many of the ultra wealthy do their utmost to avoid paying tax so Denise deserves some credit for that at least. I mean, only the same amount of credit that you or I deserve for paying ours. But I get the sentiment, she isn't *as* awful as most other billionaires. I just can't countenance a world where it is acceptable to build a £100m mansion and stick it 20 minutes drive away from an impoverished city with dying homeless and increasing poverty. Crikey. Go travel, live or work in parts of Africa or Asia to see how some folk exist. Homelessness, poverty and untreated ill-health are completely unacceptable in our society, however you can't point the finger of blame at billionaires or millionaires who live here, because you believe what they do is wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 11:48:53 GMT
She pays herself £500m over 2 years through an industry that is at best morally questionable and at worst despicable. Well done to her for paying her tax properly. I'm sure it's really difficult to do when she only has 250m a year left over. The 20 richest people in the UK (Denise is 19th) could end UK homelessness with just 4% of their net worth. 20 people. Paying 4% of their money, to completely end UK homelessness. And yet we congratulate them as gods if they chuck a million into a hospice. No human being needs the money she has. It is greed, and it is 'earned' at the cost of the most vulnerable. Like many I am worried about the long term effects of both the gambling boom and the levels of inequality in the UK. However, many of the ultra wealthy do their utmost to avoid paying tax so Denise deserves some credit for that at least. This. Her salary is certainly eyebrow raising but let's be blunt here, there will be CEO's of companies across the globe receiving the same remuneration but in a way that exempts them from paying tax on it. In that respect her transparency should be applauded.......
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 11:55:56 GMT
I mean, only the same amount of credit that you or I deserve for paying ours. But I get the sentiment, she isn't *as* awful as most other billionaires. I just can't countenance a world where it is acceptable to build a £100m mansion and stick it 20 minutes drive away from an impoverished city with dying homeless and increasing poverty. Crikey. Go travel, live or work in parts of Africa or Asia to see how some folk exist. Homelessness, poverty and untreated ill-health are completely unacceptable in our society, however you can't point the finger of blame at billionaires or millionaires who live here, because you believe what they do is wrong. Well I can, because that's what I believe. I'm not particularly blaming the billionaires really (although I am), more that society has to do more to 'encourage' these people to spread wealth more fairly. The point about Africa and Asia is exactly right. There is plenty of money to go around, and the rich can even stay rich, but there is no moral justification for people like the Coates family to have billions when others simply cannot afford to live. They could give away £5900000000 of their net worth and still have 1 billion left over. It is an amount of money that not a single human being on Earth needs. Their net worth would take a worker on UK average wage 30 thousand years, ignoring tax. If someone started on the current UK average wage, ignoring inflation etc, when the UK was first inhabited continuously by humans, about 10000BC, they would still have another 20 thousand years of work to go until they became a billionaire. And that is including them not paying any Tax, NI, rent, bills, or any outgoings whatsoever.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Dec 19, 2019 12:47:57 GMT
I'll 'bet' that 365 didn't get where they are by hiring the gambling industry equivalent of Cartwright with a tin pot recruitment strategy
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Post by questionable on Dec 19, 2019 16:01:28 GMT
I'll 'bet' that 365 didn't get where they are by hiring the gambling industry equivalent of Cartwright with a tin pot recruitment strategy It was a file on a lap top from another club
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 16:26:46 GMT
Thank's tricky. As bad as ever at the moment. There's no study going on in my betting life. Mug punter. I've tried to follow one or two jockey's of late, but nearly always miss em when they get winners. Adam Wedge, Jack Quinlan, Jonjo O'Neill jnr, Robert Dunne etc; I got into that Hugh Taylor off at the races website, but no matter what I do, I get it wrong. That Quinlan had a 100/1 and 12or 16/1 on the same day a few weeks ago. Needless to say, I followed Taylor that day. Adam Wedge had a belting double up t'other weekend. Needless to say, I had gone on Richard Johnson that day. Sometimes I feel as though somebody up there doesn't want me to win, but on saying that I'll never get drawn in to lose much!
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Post by onefatcopper on Dec 19, 2019 16:33:59 GMT
"Society" didn't reward her! She built a business, employed, 4000 local people, paid corporation tax and well over 100 million in personal taxes. Unfortunately she isn't a doctor or a surgeon but her existence doesn't mean that there are less doctors or surgeons. The only correlation made is the salary but the tax paid is the same. If she retired tomorrow there wouldn't be more doctors or surgeons so I have to question who is dim or mentally ill. How many became addicted to gambling and made bankrupt? As with any form of addiction be it alcohol,drugs,gambling or even SCFC, a addict in denial will blame everything or anything for their addiction, but at the end of the day there’s only one person to blame for their addiction, and it’s the person who stares back at them in the mirror.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 17:28:19 GMT
BBC Money on 5 Live earlier today, interesting listen with the Sentinel's own Martin Tideswell (from around 26:30 onwards) link
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 19, 2019 18:36:04 GMT
She has certainly played her cards well! Hard not to be impressed by what she has achieved, and the reason why we have money to spend (if there were no FFP)!
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Post by nott1 on Dec 19, 2019 20:06:12 GMT
What an obscenely unequel society we live in and I'd like some!
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 19, 2019 20:28:38 GMT
Crikey. Go travel, live or work in parts of Africa or Asia to see how some folk exist. Homelessness, poverty and untreated ill-health are completely unacceptable in our society, however you can't point the finger of blame at billionaires or millionaires who live here, because you believe what they do is wrong. Well I can, because that's what I believe. I'm not particularly blaming the billionaires really (although I am), more that society has to do more to 'encourage' these people to spread wealth more fairly. The point about Africa and Asia is exactly right. There is plenty of money to go around, and the rich can even stay rich, but there is no moral justification for people like the Coates family to have billions when others simply cannot afford to live. They could give away £5900000000 of their net worth and still have 1 billion left over.
It is an amount of money that not a single human being on Earth needs. Their net worth would take a worker on UK average wage 30 thousand years, ignoring tax. If someone started on the current UK average wage, ignoring inflation etc, when the UK was first inhabited continuously by humans, about 10000BC, they would still have another 20 thousand years of work to go until they became a billionaire. And that is including them not paying any Tax, NI, rent, bills, or any outgoings whatsoever. You do understand that there is plenty of money to go around because of the likes of Denise Coates? No Denise Coates or Richard Branson's of the world and no jobs. Celebrate the fact that a Stoke girl has made good, if she was a London banker she would be a Dame by now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 20:58:14 GMT
Well I can, because that's what I believe. I'm not particularly blaming the billionaires really (although I am), more that society has to do more to 'encourage' these people to spread wealth more fairly. The point about Africa and Asia is exactly right. There is plenty of money to go around, and the rich can even stay rich, but there is no moral justification for people like the Coates family to have billions when others simply cannot afford to live. They could give away £5900000000 of their net worth and still have 1 billion left over.
It is an amount of money that not a single human being on Earth needs. Their net worth would take a worker on UK average wage 30 thousand years, ignoring tax. If someone started on the current UK average wage, ignoring inflation etc, when the UK was first inhabited continuously by humans, about 10000BC, they would still have another 20 thousand years of work to go until they became a billionaire. And that is including them not paying any Tax, NI, rent, bills, or any outgoings whatsoever. You do understand that there is plenty of money to go around because of the likes of Denise Coates? No Denise Coates or Richard Branson's of the world and no jobs. Celebrate the fact that a Stoke girl has made good, if she was a London banker she would be a Dame by now. Sure thing. Money magics out of nowhere because of people like Coates. She takes money from customers.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 21:12:39 GMT
You do understand that there is plenty of money to go around because of the likes of Denise Coates? No Denise Coates or Richard Branson's of the world and no jobs. Celebrate the fact that a Stoke girl has made good, if she was a London banker she would be a Dame by now. Sure thing. Money magics out of nowhere because of people like Coates. She takes money from customers. So what is the answer?
When a company reaches a limit of say £1,000,000 profit should they be forced to stop trading? Apparently the billionaires of this world can solve the world food shortages at a stroke. But what about the leaders of some of these famine stricken nations? The very reason for the famine in their countries, is their own thievery. So you ask the billionaires to subsidise these corrupt leaders. and make them richer?
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 19, 2019 21:19:25 GMT
You do understand that there is plenty of money to go around because of the likes of Denise Coates? No Denise Coates or Richard Branson's of the world and no jobs. Celebrate the fact that a Stoke girl has made good, if she was a London banker she would be a Dame by now. Sure thing. Money magics out of nowhere because of people like Coates. She takes money from customers. If she didn't take money from customers there wouldn't be: Hundreds employed in Stoke on decent wages Millions in taxes Millions in charitable donations. However you're quite right, there still wouldn't be a magic money tree without the likes of the Coates family.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 22:15:28 GMT
Sure thing. Money magics out of nowhere because of people like Coates. She takes money from customers. So what is the answer? When a company reaches a limit of say £1,000,000 profit should they be forced to stop trading? Apparently the billionaires of this world can solve the world food shortages at a stroke. But what about the leaders of some of these famine stricken nations? The very reason for the famine in their countries, is their own thievery. So you ask the billionaires to subsidise these corrupt leaders. and make them richer?
I don't know. But I refuse to laud a woman for giving a measly fraction of her billions to charity and paying her taxes legally. I don't think billionaires should exist until we solve the bottom end of society.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 22:15:52 GMT
Sure thing. Money magics out of nowhere because of people like Coates. She takes money from customers. If she didn't take money from customers there wouldn't be: Hundreds employed in Stoke on decent wages Millions in taxes Millions in charitable donations. However you're quite right, there still wouldn't be a magic money tree without the likes of the Coates family. It's almost like she could give back a lot more whilst still earning billions.
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 19, 2019 22:34:20 GMT
If she didn't take money from customers there wouldn't be: Hundreds employed in Stoke on decent wages Millions in taxes Millions in charitable donations. However you're quite right, there still wouldn't be a magic money tree without the likes of the Coates family. It's almost like she could give back a lot more whilst still earning billions. How many 'Billions' do you think she should give away? A Stoke girl starts a company from nearly nothing in a portacabin and then provides jobs for hundreds of people in Stoke on Trent who are paid a decent wage, who then keeps the company within the UK (unlike other major UK gambling companies) and pays millions in taxes to support the less fortunate in society and then also contributes millions to charity. She's a credit to the City.
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