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Post by stantheman on Dec 18, 2019 10:49:46 GMT
Good luck to her. Employs a huge amount of people locally, pays a fortune in tax, gives fortunes to charity via her own foundation and others.
Edit - Denise, if you're reading this and have need of a P.A/driver/gardener/handyman/gigolo, drop me a PM 😉
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Dec 18, 2019 10:56:36 GMT
Now if only Uncle Peter and his idiot son ran Stoke City with this much ferocity. The approach was working very well when we went ahead with Delap's contract after he broke his leg, supported Etherington through his gambling issues etc. Obviously something has gone wrong since.
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Post by chigstoke on Dec 18, 2019 11:03:27 GMT
Now if only Uncle Peter and his idiot son ran Stoke City with this much ferocity. The approach was working very well when we went ahead with Delap's contract after he broke his leg, supported Etherington through his gambling issues etc. Obviously something has gone wrong since. Massively wrong mate. Since about 2015 it's all got very lax down at the club and it currently shows no signs of recovery.
The training under Hughes being like a holiday camp, the signings that never play, the loans with a 'view to buy' that almost certainly won't get bought, the Scholes wage increase, countless yes men through the door, Rowett supposedly almost quitting near enough straight away. It absolutely stinks.
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Post by chad on Dec 18, 2019 11:07:01 GMT
It went wrong with Imbula, Wimmer and Berahino Some poor signings since but nothing like the money and upset in the squad that these three cost off. Unbelievably poor from the recruitment side. Couldn’t see Pulis touching any of these with a barge pole
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 11:18:59 GMT
Genuinely disgusting that one human being can make that much money in two years, especially from gambling. A show of how pathetic modern society is.
Still, she'll donate 5% of it to charity and be lauded as a hero.
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Post by wuzza on Dec 18, 2019 11:29:24 GMT
Wouldn’t it be nice to hear of an ultra successful business person who was also a pleasant easy going personality. Must be possible to mix the two somewhere ! There seems to be an image that people in business feel they need to live by as displayed in such things as The Apprentice. Be a hard nosed, self centred, unpleasant character or be considered a loser !
Anyway good luck to the lady - certainly can’t be criticised simply by the fact she’s kept the business in SoT and hence given the local economy a boost.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 18, 2019 11:35:15 GMT
Genuinely disgusting that one human being can make that much money in two years, especially from gambling. A show of how pathetic modern society is. Still, she'll donate 5% of it to charity and be lauded as a hero. I would tend to agree with you but I suppose its a bit more complicated. She's doing nothing illegal and her work does create some massive positive spin offs locally. But yes the money involved is eye watering and there are some exceptionally harmful consequences to a certain percentage of their customers. Its a tricky one.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 11:38:09 GMT
The only reason more aren't paid in this way is because the Coates' have some morality and pay taxes. Ironic considered the immorality of betting.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Dec 18, 2019 11:40:46 GMT
I decided to have a flutter on the horses and landed a couple of big winners. As I was a few hundred up I placed another couple of bets and won again with both. Pure fluke. I know nothing about horse racing. Next day, stakes restricted to £10, banned from all promotions and later the same day banned from depositing at all rendering my account useless. For a billionaire to treat a punter like that is disgusting. An investigation on this bet365 modus operandi hit the australian news last week Dave. A former employee has just blown the whistle on practices over here in oz It's not exclusive to bet365,all the bookies are the same,I've had 100's of accounts closed/limited.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 11:41:19 GMT
Genuinely disgusting that one human being can make that much money in two years, especially from gambling. A show of how pathetic modern society is. Still, she'll donate 5% of it to charity and be lauded as a hero. I would tend to agree with you but I suppose its a bit more complicated. She's doing nothing illegal and her work does create some massive positive spin offs locally. But yes the money involved is eye watering and there are some exceptionally harmful consequences to a certain percentage of their customers. Its a tricky one. 'She is doing nothing illegal' is exactly the problem. It is ridiculous that in modern society someone can pay themselves that much money in a 2 year period. Especially at a time when so many are in poverty, homeless and starving. The balance of wealth in this country, let alone the world, is something we as a species should be ashamed of, and this is a perfect example. She has no need for that money, it is simply greed.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Dec 18, 2019 11:59:18 GMT
The approach was working very well when we went ahead with Delap's contract after he broke his leg, supported Etherington through his gambling issues etc. Obviously something has gone wrong since. Massively wrong mate. Since about 2015 it's all got very lax down at the club and it currently shows no signs of recovery. The training under Hughes being like a holiday camp, the signings that never play, the loans with a 'view to buy' that almost certainly won't get bought, the Scholes wage increase, countless yes men through the door, Rowett supposedly almost quitting near enough straight away. It absolutely stinks.
I don't see how I'm wrong or how what I said contradicts your reply.
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Post by chigstoke on Dec 18, 2019 12:05:55 GMT
Massively wrong mate. Since about 2015 it's all got very lax down at the club and it currently shows no signs of recovery. The training under Hughes being like a holiday camp, the signings that never play, the loans with a 'view to buy' that almost certainly won't get bought, the Scholes wage increase, countless yes men through the door, Rowett supposedly almost quitting near enough straight away. It absolutely stinks.
I don't see how I'm wrong or how what I said contradicts your reply. Not saying you were wrong, I meant massively wrong as in agreeing with you, something wrong has gone on at the club
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Dec 18, 2019 12:09:45 GMT
I don't see how I'm wrong or how what I said contradicts your reply. Not saying you were wrong, I meant massively wrong as in agreeing with you, something wrong has gone on at the club I must be so used to people disagreeing with me on here.
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Post by chigstoke on Dec 18, 2019 12:15:13 GMT
Not saying you were wrong, I meant massively wrong as in agreeing with you, something wrong has gone on at the club I must be so used to people disagreeing with me on here. This is what Stoke is doing to us all!
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Post by knowingeye on Dec 18, 2019 12:26:13 GMT
Genuinely disgusting that one human being can make that much money in two years, especially from gambling. A show of how pathetic modern society is. Still, she'll donate 5% of it to charity and be lauded as a hero. Paid £125m in personal tax (not Corporation tax). Bet365 employs over 3000 in Stoke area. Bet365 underwrites the debts and losses of Stoke City FC What's your problem?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 12:44:52 GMT
Genuinely disgusting that one human being can make that much money in two years, especially from gambling. A show of how pathetic modern society is. Still, she'll donate 5% of it to charity and be lauded as a hero. Paid £125m in personal tax (not Corporation tax). Bet365 employs over 3000 in Stoke area. Bet365 underwrites the debts and losses of Stoke City FC What's your problem? She pays herself £500m over 2 years through an industry that is at best morally questionable and at worst despicable. Well done to her for paying her tax properly. I'm sure it's really difficult to do when she only has 250m a year left over. The 20 richest people in the UK (Denise is 19th) could end UK homelessness with just 4% of their net worth. 20 people. Paying 4% of their money, to completely end UK homelessness. And yet we congratulate them as gods if they chuck a million into a hospice. No human being needs the money she has. It is greed, and it is 'earned' at the cost of the most vulnerable.
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Post by OldStokie on Dec 18, 2019 12:52:37 GMT
I'm a Socialist. Always have been; always will be, but that doesn't make me think that businesses who make shedloads of dosh shouldn't exist. Providing those companies and directors pay their fair share of tax and whilst doing so employ many people and pay them fairly, therefore helping them in their lives, then what's the problem? I get the problem with gambling but if Bet365 didn't exist it wouldn't stop gamblers gambling.
In our Stokie case, we should be grateful that they're based here.
Now Bet365 and Stoke City are a different matter and I'm not going there. It's been done to death and nothing I say can add anything.
OS.
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Post by mattador78 on Dec 18, 2019 12:56:58 GMT
Genuinely disgusting that one human being can make that much money in two years, especially from gambling. A show of how pathetic modern society is. Still, she'll donate 5% of it to charity and be lauded as a hero. www.signal1.co.uk/news/local/multi-million-pound-building-for-young-people-opens-at-the-donna-louise/i/donna-louise-denise-coates-foundation-opening/Nowt wrong with 5% of anyone’s income if it helps causes like this, as with all charity no body has to do it. Also the same with gambling nobody has to do it, as a lad I used to spend way to much on fruit machines to the tune of £30-£40 a day most days especially if in the pub for dinner or after work thank god I never got into the bookies fixed odd stupid machines. Luckily I realised what a mug I was being and rarely if ever gamble now, I do appreciate the addiction I had and do understand the hold this type of thing has over people. Drinking, smoking gambling plus a lot of other addictions are inherently performed by mass amounts who luckily do not become addicted. The arguments about gambling can go back to wagers in the coliseum and earlier it’s a vice of mankind, for us here in Stoke though one of our own is keeping the jobs involved here, vast amounts of revenue, charitable donations and propping up the one vice we all share on here our football club. As a whole do I agree with all bookmakers practices no I don’t, should it be as easy as it is to put a bet on? No I don’t think so but due to the advent of the digital age it ain’t going away for a long time. It might sound insular and little minded but any good that her foundation puts towards the support of the kids who need it like with Donna Louise, has to count some way towards balancing out the potential misery that can befall some of bet365s customers, who make their choice.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 13:06:06 GMT
Genuinely disgusting that one human being can make that much money in two years, especially from gambling. A show of how pathetic modern society is. Still, she'll donate 5% of it to charity and be lauded as a hero. www.signal1.co.uk/news/local/multi-million-pound-building-for-young-people-opens-at-the-donna-louise/i/donna-louise-denise-coates-foundation-opening/Nowt wrong with 5% of anyone’s income if it helps causes like this, as with all charity no body has to do it. Also the same with gambling nobody has to do it, as a lad I used to spend way to much on fruit machines to the tune of £30-£40 a day most days especially if in the pub for dinner or after work thank god I never got into the bookies fixed odd stupid machines. Luckily I realised what a mug I was being and rarely if ever gamble now, I do appreciate the addiction I had and do understand the hold this type of thing has over people. Drinking, smoking gambling plus a lot of other addictions are inherently performed by mass amounts who luckily do not become addicted. The arguments about gambling can go back to wagers in the coliseum and earlier it’s a vice of mankind, for us here in Stoke though one of our own is keeping the jobs involved here, vast amounts of revenue, charitable donations and propping up the one vice we all share on here our football club. As a whole do I agree with all bookmakers practices no I don’t, should it be as easy as it is to put a bet on? No I don’t think so but due to the advent of the digital age it ain’t going away for a long time. It might sound insular and little minded but any good that her foundation puts towards the support of the kids who need it like with Donna Louise, has to count some way towards balancing out the potential misery that can befall some of bet365s customers, who make their choice. I disagree with the addiction part of gambling. People are addicted. I'm really happy that she puts some money towards DL and they're a great charity who deserve it. But it is very much a case of rich people giving token (for them) donations to charity when in reality they could genuinely change the world with the money they have hoarded. It's like when Billionaires appear on children in need asking you to chuck in a fiver when the richest 1000 of them could end world hunger.
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Post by shipshape on Dec 18, 2019 13:10:34 GMT
"Plus, restrict anyone who might win a bit from us. I can't afford for the odd account to be a few hundred quid up" Bookies are cowards. Does that actually happen? On the rare occasion I've been a few hundred quid up I was never restricted, although I've never used bet365. It happens all the fucking time. Coral and 888 have both stopped my account. I only won a couple of hundred quid. When the fun stops. Stop. Scumbags.
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Post by mattador78 on Dec 18, 2019 13:19:39 GMT
www.signal1.co.uk/news/local/multi-million-pound-building-for-young-people-opens-at-the-donna-louise/i/donna-louise-denise-coates-foundation-opening/Nowt wrong with 5% of anyone’s income if it helps causes like this, as with all charity no body has to do it. Also the same with gambling nobody has to do it, as a lad I used to spend way to much on fruit machines to the tune of £30-£40 a day most days especially if in the pub for dinner or after work thank god I never got into the bookies fixed odd stupid machines. Luckily I realised what a mug I was being and rarely if ever gamble now, I do appreciate the addiction I had and do understand the hold this type of thing has over people. Drinking, smoking gambling plus a lot of other addictions are inherently performed by mass amounts who luckily do not become addicted. The arguments about gambling can go back to wagers in the coliseum and earlier it’s a vice of mankind, for us here in Stoke though one of our own is keeping the jobs involved here, vast amounts of revenue, charitable donations and propping up the one vice we all share on here our football club. As a whole do I agree with all bookmakers practices no I don’t, should it be as easy as it is to put a bet on? No I don’t think so but due to the advent of the digital age it ain’t going away for a long time. It might sound insular and little minded but any good that her foundation puts towards the support of the kids who need it like with Donna Louise, has to count some way towards balancing out the potential misery that can befall some of bet365s customers, who make their choice. I disagree with the addiction part of gambling. People are addicted. I'm really happy that she puts some money towards DL and they're a great charity who deserve it. But it is very much a case of rich people giving token (for them) donations to charity when in reality they could genuinely change the world with the money they have hoarded. It's like when Billionaires appear on children in need asking you to chuck in a fiver when the richest 1000 of them could end world hunger. Re read I never said people aren’t addicted but at all times with an addiction you can seek help I know I did.
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Post by crowey on Dec 18, 2019 13:45:21 GMT
Think she’d like nothing than other hand a few P60’s out in truth .... are they the new P45s? Shows how long I’ve been out of the country
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 14:15:24 GMT
I disagree with the addiction part of gambling. People are addicted. I'm really happy that she puts some money towards DL and they're a great charity who deserve it. But it is very much a case of rich people giving token (for them) donations to charity when in reality they could genuinely change the world with the money they have hoarded. It's like when Billionaires appear on children in need asking you to chuck in a fiver when the richest 1000 of them could end world hunger. Re read I never said people aren’t addicted but at all times with an addiction you can seek help I know I did. They can indeed. I'm just of the opinion that praising and glorifying a woman who has 'earned' nearly enough money to end homelessness off the back of fostering addiction in the most vulnerable because she sticks a couple of percent of it back into charity and gives out a few thousand jobs to the local area (of which, only software developers make over £25k/yr, the rest are low wage call centre gigs.) I think she is the perfect example of everything wrong with society. We reward acting with selfishness, hoarding money and preying on the weak with the most unbelievable amounts of money. She makes over Ten Thousand times the wage of one of her call centre workers in a year. 10 fucking thousand. It's sickening.
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Post by rawli on Dec 18, 2019 14:20:27 GMT
Genuinely disgusting that one human being can make that much money in two years, especially from gambling. A show of how pathetic modern society is. Still, she'll donate 5% of it to charity and be lauded as a hero. www.signal1.co.uk/news/local/multi-million-pound-building-for-young-people-opens-at-the-donna-louise/i/donna-louise-denise-coates-foundation-opening/Nowt wrong with 5% of anyone’s income if it helps causes like this, as with all charity no body has to do it. Also the same with gambling nobody has to do it, as a lad I used to spend way to much on fruit machines to the tune of £30-£40 a day most days especially if in the pub for dinner or after work thank god I never got into the bookies fixed odd stupid machines. Luckily I realised what a mug I was being and rarely if ever gamble now, I do appreciate the addiction I had and do understand the hold this type of thing has over people. Drinking, smoking gambling plus a lot of other addictions are inherently performed by mass amounts who luckily do not become addicted. The arguments about gambling can go back to wagers in the coliseum and earlier it’s a vice of mankind, for us here in Stoke though one of our own is keeping the jobs involved here, vast amounts of revenue, charitable donations and propping up the one vice we all share on here our football club. As a whole do I agree with all bookmakers practices no I don’t, should it be as easy as it is to put a bet on? No I don’t think so but due to the advent of the digital age it ain’t going away for a long time. It might sound insular and little minded but any good that her foundation puts towards the support of the kids who need it like with Donna Louise, has to count some way towards balancing out the potential misery that can befall some of bet365s customers, who make their choice. Smokers aren't addicted? Loads of studies showing how addictive gambling is. The fact every other advert is telling you how much fun it is and how desperate they are to get kids into the habit demonstrates this. It's a perfect model, people can feed the addiction anywhere with mobile signal at any time. Most lose and anyone who doesn't can be banned. Tell everyone to stop when the fun stops and you're on your way with a clear conscience.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 18, 2019 14:26:41 GMT
I would tend to agree with you but I suppose its a bit more complicated. She's doing nothing illegal and her work does create some massive positive spin offs locally. But yes the money involved is eye watering and there are some exceptionally harmful consequences to a certain percentage of their customers. Its a tricky one. 'She is doing nothing illegal' is exactly the problem. It is ridiculous that in modern society someone can pay themselves that much money in a 2 year period. Especially at a time when so many are in poverty, homeless and starving. The balance of wealth in this country, let alone the world, is something we as a species should be ashamed of, and this is a perfect example. She has no need for that money, it is simply greed. But she has started a phenomenally successful business within the parameters of the law and she owns the company. One view would be that its not her fault she is earning so much money. What is she supposed to do with it all, just give it all away and just take an acceptable £1m a year out of it? From what I hear the company looks after its staff pretty well, pays a lot of taxes into the UK and donates massive amounts to charity. Maybe she should donate more? Perhaps. That would be good obviously. As I say its a tricky one and the figures are obscene. My problem comes when "employees" of a company are pulling tens of millions out of a business. The actual owner of a company is a bit different as they are the ones who take on massive amounts of risk setting companies up and employing hundreds of people. Like I say I am kind of in your camp but its not a simple argument. The fact all the money is coming out of gambling is the biggest issue for me. By its very nature there are a lot of losers who probably can't afford to lose.
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Post by zerps on Dec 18, 2019 14:33:31 GMT
Genuinely disgusting that one human being can make that much money in two years, especially from gambling. A show of how pathetic modern society is. Still, she'll donate 5% of it to charity and be lauded as a hero. People making money is disgusting?
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Post by santy on Dec 18, 2019 14:37:08 GMT
Re read I never said people aren’t addicted but at all times with an addiction you can seek help I know I did. They can indeed. I'm just of the opinion that praising and glorifying a woman who has 'earned' nearly enough money to end homelessness off the back of fostering addiction in the most vulnerable because she sticks a couple of percent of it back into charity and gives out a few thousand jobs to the local area (of which, only software developers make over £25k/yr, the rest are low wage call centre gigs.) I think she is the perfect example of everything wrong with society. We reward acting with selfishness, hoarding money and preying on the weak with the most unbelievable amounts of money. She makes over Ten Thousand times the wage of one of her call centre workers in a year. 10 fucking thousand. It's sickening. Think glassdoor shows that even the run of the mill jobs pay closer to 25k. Software developers are going to be picking up far more than 25k a year. I'd imagine the lower end would be 35k and anyone with a decent bit of experience to their name nearer or above 50k. (For what its worth did a bit of fact checking, £21.5k for the standard customer service role, £43k average for the software developers) A lot of your posts on the issue I've seen come down to some opposition to gambling. But what's the solution then? I don't gamble personally, far too much of a risk I would get addicted. People overspend on gambling, they overspend on drink, they overspend on drugs, they overspend on gaming, they overspend on clothes, they overspend on food. Whatever your predisposition is, there's someone sat there happy to rake it in off your back. I'm of the opinion that more should be legalised and taxed. The only logical alternative is 3 government mandated meals a day to a specific nutritional intake and we all just sit there never doing anything because there's potential to piss away all your money on it.
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Post by 3putts on Dec 18, 2019 14:37:14 GMT
Genuinely disgusting that one human being can make that much money in two years, especially from gambling. A show of how pathetic modern society is. Still, she'll donate 5% of it to charity and be lauded as a hero. How much did you lose? Don't blame other people for your own weakness otherwise we might as well shut everything down and give up
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 18, 2019 14:43:51 GMT
Genuinely disgusting that one human being can make that much money in two years, especially from gambling. A show of how pathetic modern society is. Still, she'll donate 5% of it to charity and be lauded as a hero. People making money is disgusting? People are disgusting...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 14:58:14 GMT
Genuinely disgusting that one human being can make that much money in two years, especially from gambling. A show of how pathetic modern society is. Still, she'll donate 5% of it to charity and be lauded as a hero. People making money is disgusting? People making £500 million in 2 years is disgusting.
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