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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 14:21:04 GMT
As with a lot of things in life probably I just prefer it when everything is working smoothly. Possibly then I fall back to a situation where i feel it is better not to rock the boat any further and let matters run their course. The basis of this philosophy is that if you can't change things, just let the inevitable happen. Choose your battles and fight the ones that you have a chance of winning I voted to remain in Europe in the referendum vote, but the country didn't. It is unlikely that I can change this situation so I accept it and go with the flow. I don't support Brexit but I believe that it will inevitably happen. I have strong doubts and reservations about Nathan Jones as a Manager, but the fact remains that for the moment at least he is still our Manager. Jones is still learning but he is the Guy in place at the moment and I don't think now that we can hope for better simply by changing horses in mid stream. Therefore perhaps we should back him and hope fervently that at some point things might start moving in the right direction again. So stick with Mr Jones and accept that this might be a bumpy journey. I don't have any voting rights in England - which pisses me off as I'm firmly in the remain camp and of course will be with my own citizenship - but I vote for your message as the best post in the oatcake this month.
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Post by harrysburrow on Sept 30, 2019 14:33:32 GMT
As with a lot of things in life probably I just prefer it when everything is working smoothly. Possibly then I fall back to a situation where i feel it is better not to rock the boat any further and let matters run their course. The basis of this philosophy is that if you can't change things, just let the inevitable happen. Choose your battles and fight the ones that you have a chance of winning I voted to remain in Europe in the referendum vote, but the country didn't. It is unlikely that I can change this situation so I accept it and go with the flow. I don't support Brexit but I believe that it will inevitably happen. I have strong doubts and reservations about Nathan Jones as a Manager, but the fact remains that for the moment at least he is still our Manager. Jones is still learning but he is the Guy in place at the moment and I don't think now that we can hope for better simply by changing horses in mid stream. Therefore perhaps we should back him and hope fervently that at some point things might start moving in the right direction again. So stick with Mr Jones and accept that this might be a bumpy journey. I don't have any voting rights in England - which pisses me off as I'm firmly in the remain camp and of course will be with my own citizenship - but I vote for your message as the best post in the oatcake this month. It's definitely the best philosophy to have as far as reducing personal wear and tear is concerned. Thing is, the highly paid Stoke City board of directors, like the 650 odious self-serving wankers running the country, seem to be systematically going out of their way to screw things up. Sometimes it's better to let off steam on a forum or chatroom - especially if you're paying a large proportion of your salary to support such shite?
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Post by MilanStokie on Sept 30, 2019 15:34:23 GMT
Sorry mate, I don't buy into this theory that there is no manager out there willing to manage this club. Are we suggesting Moyes would prefer to sit on his arse and not earn money? If Moyes wants a job as a football manager and Stoke City offered him that job, as long as the money and conditions are right, he would take it. Same goes for Hughton. As bad as our position is, we are known to have wealthy owners, who tend to stand by the managers side when things aren't going well (too long for most). We have the biggest budget in the league, the biggest squad, full of potential. The job would make him probably the most well paid in this league and perhaps better pay than quarter of the Premier League. I am sorry, but with 80% of the season still to play for, I cannot see managers saying no to that, unless they have something else lined up, or are not currently interested in managing a football team. What have you been smoking? Lindsay, McClean, Cousins et al. Full of potential? As for the managers you mention they're both on severence pay, so they would have to waive their rights for that, and while it is theoretically possible that we can aim higher, it doesn't exactly look likely. Far more likely seems at this point that they will manage a L1 club next season, by which time they will have faded into obscurity for the clubs that they would really like to manage. So, no, no sane manager will want us, but time will tell who's right, IF they do as you desire but not what I think is more likely, given that our owners tend to stand by the managers side when things aren't going well... Anyone can pick the worst players. For every Lindsay, you have Collins. For every McClean, you have Verlinden. (eventually) For every Cousins, you have Etebo. As I said, lots of potential within the massive squad that we have, it just needs better organisation. Is Moyes still really on severance pay? Either way, I still dont agree and think football managers sit and think about a club's situation like that club's fans do. However you wish to consider the situation, it is a good option for several managers, particularly those out of work.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 16:23:56 GMT
What have you been smoking? Lindsay, McClean, Cousins et al. Full of potential? As for the managers you mention they're both on severence pay, so they would have to waive their rights for that, and while it is theoretically possible that we can aim higher, it doesn't exactly look likely. Far more likely seems at this point that they will manage a L1 club next season, by which time they will have faded into obscurity for the clubs that they would really like to manage. So, no, no sane manager will want us, but time will tell who's right, IF they do as you desire but not what I think is more likely, given that our owners tend to stand by the managers side when things aren't going well... Anyone can pick the worst players. For every Lindsay, you have Collins. For every McClean, you have Verlinden. (eventually) For every Cousins, you have Etebo. As I said, lots of potential within the massive squad that we have, it just needs better organisation. Is Moyes still really on severance pay? Either way, I still dont agree and think football managers sit and think about a club's situation like that club's fans do. However you wish to consider the situation, it is a good option for several managers, particularly those out of work. Then I can't fathom why they haven't been offered the job....
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Post by deadwait on Sept 30, 2019 16:41:51 GMT
I am devastated that Jones believes that he is the man to take us forward. In my opinion he never was, and never will be.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 30, 2019 17:26:34 GMT
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Sept 30, 2019 17:32:39 GMT
He wants to build a team around Joe Allen.
The only thing we should be building around Joe Allen is a cannon and then firing the cunt out of it.
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Post by thisisouryear on Sept 30, 2019 17:38:48 GMT
I still have faith in the project, come on Jones prove them all wrong. We are so close to becoming a good team, we do so much right. I don't mind being on my own either, with the managerial options available i would rather us stick at it and get through this poor spell with Jones. If he is learning on the job so be it, long term he will come good.
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Post by kustokie on Sept 30, 2019 18:09:15 GMT
This is exactly what Hughes said just before he got the sack.
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Post by harrysburrow on Sept 30, 2019 18:22:27 GMT
He wants to build a team around Joe Allen. The only thing we should be building around Joe Allen is a cannon and then firing the cunt out of it. Keep making me laugh youth! 😂😂
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 18:52:20 GMT
Made me laugh too. Then can we fire McClean and Ince out of the cannon? Not bothered in which order!
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Post by telfordstoke on Sept 30, 2019 18:54:52 GMT
He wants to build a team around Joe Allen. The only thing we should be building around Joe Allen is a cannon and then firing the cunt out of it. I’ve just spat coffee out at this, brill. In-laws staying and mother in law asking what’s funny, I better not read it out word for word Then again...!
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Post by strangerthingshappen on Sept 30, 2019 19:31:49 GMT
Reading some of the shit that you Bang out id say your heads further gone than jones's thank fuck we dont have owners like you , Ya cretin.... I never said I was. But the fact remains you don't anything to say for yourself, sub-cretin. They do. I've seen this game before,,, Wasn't it called " What the hell are you talking about " .
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 30, 2019 19:41:57 GMT
As with a lot of things in life probably I just prefer it when everything is working smoothly. Possibly then I fall back to a situation where i feel it is better not to rock the boat any further and let matters run their course. The basis of this philosophy is that if you can't change things, just let the inevitable happen. Choose your battles and fight the ones that you have a chance of winning I voted to remain in Europe in the referendum vote, but the country didn't. It is unlikely that I can change this situation so I accept it and go with the flow. I don't support Brexit but I believe that it will inevitably happen. I have strong doubts and reservations about Nathan Jones as a Manager, but the fact remains that for the moment at least he is still our Manager. Jones is still learning but he is the Guy in place at the moment and I don't think now that we can hope for better simply by changing horses in mid stream. Therefore perhaps we should back him and hope fervently that at some point things might start moving in the right direction again. So stick with Mr Jones and accept that this might be a bumpy journey. I don't have any voting rights in England - which pisses me off as I'm firmly in the remain camp and of course will be with my own citizenship - but I vote for your message as the best post in the oatcake this month. I like both of these posts. In a mad world it is the most common sense approach. I personally believe as long as NJ doesn't "lose" the dressing room then "the worm will certainly turn". Stolen from Platoon I know but the quote seems appropriate with all the muck and bullets and napalm flying around at the moment.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 30, 2019 19:46:41 GMT
I still have faith in the project, come on Jones prove them all wrong. We are so close to becoming a good team, we do so much right. I don't mind being on my own either, with the managerial options available i would rather us stick at it and get through this poor spell with Jones. If he is learning on the job so be it, long term he will come good. Attachment Deleted Change your bait duck.
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 30, 2019 20:07:22 GMT
So do you think we can get rid of or reform the owners and get back up to the PRem in less than 3-6 years? Of course we can, look where WBA and Swansea sit in the table right now. It's all about making the right decisions, calling for time, is just an excuse for making the wrong decisions. One small detail you're overlooking...... according to you, our owners don't make the right decisions, therefore, short of them miraculously changing their stripes overnight, (how many years has Coates been associated with Stoke?), there is going to be a period of time to either reform or get rid of the owners. We are not in the same boat as Swansea or WBA. This is going to take time.
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Post by harrysburrow on Sept 30, 2019 20:07:27 GMT
Anything technically can be turned around - given long enough? For this shit show to sort itself out though, you need the following just for starters: Butland not dropping clangers every game. Allen learning how to control a ball. Lindsay learning how to pass a ball. McClean becoming a good wing back. Cousins becoming a Championship standard footballer. Powell actually being fit. Etebo and Badou wanting to stay. Ince to grow a pair. Campbell lasting a full 90 minutes. Vokes, Gregory and Hogan being able to put the ball in the net (even from the spot). Someone to confirm that Davies does actually exist. Not sure beating Huddersfield would be the catalyst?
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 30, 2019 20:12:43 GMT
I am devastated that Jones believes that he is the man to take us forward. In my opinion he never was, and never will be. I am devastated that you are devastated.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 30, 2019 20:26:08 GMT
Of course we can, look where WBA and Swansea sit in the table right now. It's all about making the right decisions, calling for time, is just an excuse for making the wrong decisions. One small detail you're overlooking...... according to you, our owners don't make the right decisions, therefore, short of them miraculously changing their stripes overnight, (how many years has Coates been associated with Stoke?), there is going to be a period of time to either reform or get rid of the owners. We are not in the same boat as Swansea or WBA. This is going to take time. We are in the same League as Swansea and WBA but not in the same as either next season with this albatross as manager.
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Post by swampySCFC on Sept 30, 2019 20:40:50 GMT
We all want and wanted NJ to do well because he is a nice bloke but if he keeps talking shite week after week I can see him becoming more unpopular than Pulis......the most successful manager in recent times!!!!!
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 30, 2019 20:44:06 GMT
One small detail you're overlooking...... according to you, our owners don't make the right decisions, therefore, short of them miraculously changing their stripes overnight, (how many years has Coates been associated with Stoke?), there is going to be a period of time to either reform or get rid of the owners. We are not in the same boat as Swansea or WBA. This is going to take time. We are in the same League as Swansea and WBA but not in the same as either next season with this albatross as manager. Hey UP Crappo! Paul suggested the problem lies with the owners' decision making. This particular part of the discussion was not about the manager, put the length of time till we are "turned around".
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 30, 2019 21:16:56 GMT
Of course we can, look where WBA and Swansea sit in the table right now. It's all about making the right decisions, calling for time, is just an excuse for making the wrong decisions. One small detail you're overlooking...... according to you, our owners don't make the right decisions, therefore, short of them miraculously changing their stripes overnight, (how many years has Coates been associated with Stoke?), there is going to be a period of time to either reform or get rid of the owners. We are not in the same boat as Swansea or WBA. This is going to take time. According to me? I was responding to your post, where you said ... So where does the problem ultimately lie then? Take your pick ... Crap CEO, Crap Decision Making by Owners
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Post by ibby on Sept 30, 2019 22:13:40 GMT
Jones knows he has failed badly.
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Post by StaffordPotter on Sept 30, 2019 22:21:21 GMT
He wants to build a team around Joe Allen. The only thing we should be building around Joe Allen is a cannon and then firing the cunt out of it. I've actually got to the point where I get genuinely irritated watching him play for Stoke. I'll be doing cartwheels the day he fucks off.
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Post by tejstokie on Oct 1, 2019 1:19:04 GMT
He wants to build a team around Joe Allen. The only thing we should be building around Joe Allen is a cannon and then firing the cunt out of it. I just read that sentinel article. He's going to ruin this club. Doesn't even mention Etebo or N'Diaye making our midfield tick. GTFO Jones.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2019 4:47:09 GMT
I never said I was. But the fact remains you don't anything to say for yourself, sub-cretin. They do. I've seen this game before,,, Wasn't it called " What the hell are you talking about " . Why doesn't this surprise me?
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Post by potterpaul on Oct 1, 2019 4:53:24 GMT
He wants to build a team around Joe Allen. The only thing we should be building around Joe Allen is a cannon and then firing the cunt out of it. I just read that sentinel article. He's going to ruin this club. Doesn't even mention Etebo or N'Diaye making our midfield tick. GTFO Jones. It's remarkable really that the only 4 players close to having a team built around them are not listed, the two you mention plus Collins and Verlinden. He's a prat of the highest order and needs to realise that nobody trusts him, nobody believes him and no one has an ounce of confidence in his leadership, he's completely finished at Stoke City.
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Post by strangerthingshappen on Oct 1, 2019 6:13:04 GMT
I've seen this game before,,, Wasn't it called " What the hell are you talking about " . Why doesn't this surprise me? You don't seem someone who would be easily surprised ?? And never been one for Riddles, They bored out well before my day !!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2019 6:51:42 GMT
Why doesn't this surprise me? You don't seem someone who would be easily surprised ?? And never been one for Riddles, They bored out well before my day !!! You really are clueless...are you sure you are not a current or former or future Stoke manager?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2019 6:56:29 GMT
I just read that sentinel article. He's going to ruin this club. Doesn't even mention Etebo or N'Diaye making our midfield tick. GTFO Jones. It's remarkable really that the only 4 players close to having a team built around them are not listed, the two you mention plus Collins and Verlinden. He's a prat of the highest order and needs to realise that nobody trusts him, nobody believes him and no one has an ounce of confidence in his leadership, he's completely finished at Stoke City. Nobody except two men named Coates... Otherwise I agree completely. He's effectively put Badou, Etebo, Collins, and Verlinden up for sale. To join the likes of Pieters et al as unwanted at Stoke successful elsewhere...
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