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Post by strangerthingshappen on Sept 30, 2019 7:21:01 GMT
Sentinel: Defiant Jones insists he's still the right man..
That should surely Read,,
Sentinel : Deluded Jones Insists this isnt really happening, Its all down to the players...
GET HIM OUT ALREADY Its getting both Tedious & Very Boring Now he's full to the Very brim of Shit he now makes Rowett sound like pep in comparison ..........
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Post by brumstokie on Sept 30, 2019 7:26:37 GMT
Just a semi reassuring matter of historic record for those still backing Nathan. At the start of 1990, Manchester United manager Alex Ferguson (long before he was made a Knight of the Realm) was in trouble and his side were struggling at the wrong end of the Division One table. A run of eight games without a win saw the once-great Red Devils staring relegation in the face. The accepted story is that Ferguson would have been sacked if they had been knocked out of the FA Cup by Nottingham Forest on January 7. United survived and the game proved to be a reprieve from those calling for Fergusons head. Yes, everyone has bad runs at some points in their career. And in 2 degrees of separation Ferguson was saved by a goal by Mark Robins who has been mentioned as a potential replacement for NJ ( presumably with someone putting 2&2 together because he’s doing well with no money!)😂
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Post by lawrieleslie on Sept 30, 2019 7:29:13 GMT
Imo we are where we are mainly due to 3 catastrophic decisions/ non decisions within a 12 month period. Firstly the ridiculous dithering over Hughes, secondly appointing Lambert and finally deciding to throw money at it in the hope of an instant return and giving Rowett the job. Jones was just a gamble, trying something different which is what a lot , me included , wanted.I still say even though its gone tits up ,which was always the risk, it was a gamble worth taking bearing in mind what he had going at Luton. It looks like the 4th catastrophic non decision is to dither again over getting shut of Jones before its too late.If they are ready to pull the plug to leave him still in charge for such a massive game on Tuesday beggars belief,it really does. Agree with much you have stated but the appointment of Paul Lambert was only done because there was nobody left to appoint. So it was Lambert or nobody. In addition I still believe the "bomb squad" signings of Imbula, Berahino and Wimmer played a massive psychological and disastrous part in our demise.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Sept 30, 2019 7:31:57 GMT
We urgently need at least 6 points. We simply can’t afford to drop any more points at the moment. Tell NJ, win the next game, you manage the next one. Lose the next you’re out.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 7:38:49 GMT
Sentinel: Defiant Jones insists he's still the right man.. That should surely Read,, Sentinel : Deluded Jones Insists this isnt really happening, Its all down to the players... GET HIM OUT ALREADY Its getting both Tedious & Very Boring Now he's full to the Very brim of Shit he now makes Rowett sound like pep in comparison .......... Or; ' Deluded Stoke fan thinks he knows what's better than the club owners and the manager. '
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Post by milky on Sept 30, 2019 7:41:25 GMT
Imo we are where we are mainly due to 3 catastrophic decisions/ non decisions within a 12 month period. Firstly the ridiculous dithering over Hughes, secondly appointing Lambert and finally deciding to throw money at it in the hope of an instant return and giving Rowett the job. Jones was just a gamble, trying something different which is what a lot , me included , wanted.I still say even though its gone tits up ,which was always the risk, it was a gamble worth taking bearing in mind what he had going at Luton. It looks like the 4th catastrophic non decision is to dither again over getting shut of Jones before its too late.If they are ready to pull the plug to leave him still in charge for such a massive game on Tuesday beggars belief,it really does. Agree with much you have stated but the appointment of Paul Lambert was only done because there was nobody left to appoint. So it was Lambert or nobody. In addition I still believe the "bomb squad" signings of Imbula, Berahino and Wimmer played a massive psychological and disastrous part in our demise. Id go along with that though decision 2 was very much influenced by non decision 1.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 7:42:03 GMT
Totally agree Dave. I fear Davesviews post last week was his way of telling us that TP has turned us down. If TP won’t come back, I can’t see Moyes or Hughton being interested. Or it could be that he isn't in the running, which would be nearer the mark? I mean, why would someone who loves the club (apparently) turn them down if they came calling in their hour of need? Denis Smith did exactly that at least once, possibly more times. And there's nothing apparent about his love.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 7:46:20 GMT
This very much reminds me of Hughes towards the end of his reign with his rants the "who else is going to do it??" Comes to mind. It wasn't a rant. He was asked a question by a reporter and he replied. End of story.
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Post by mamasgloves on Sept 30, 2019 7:47:05 GMT
People are making statements on here in absolute ignorance. The club made a huge mistake in sacking Hughes with no replacement lined up to replace him, and they were actually "warned" by Hughes "Who's going to take the job?" We were rejected by the O'Niel and Flores and there was a huge list of high profile managers in the offing, but we got Lambert, who thought he would never get another chance to manage a Prem team. My guess is there were lots of other managers/agents who said "You must be joking!" We were in the Prem then, and not even bottom, with loads of high profile players. Now we are bottom of the Championship; get real who would want to manage Stoke? The club has to stick with Jones until they find a better option; it is certainly not time to gable on another inexperienced manager. So people can shout "Sack Jones" from the roof tops, but it is not going to happen till the club find someone better who wants the job or is not laying down unacceptable preconditions. Hounding the Coates family is not an answer, they support the club far better than a lot of people appear to on this MB. True fans will get behind the players on Tuesday night and cheer them on to victory. We didn't get a number of those managers because we were cheap. We argued with QSF over £1m and after a week he clearly thought "fuck this" This after spunking £15m on Wimmer.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 30, 2019 8:03:02 GMT
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Post by mrpickles on Sept 30, 2019 8:05:28 GMT
That should speed it along 😂
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 30, 2019 8:06:31 GMT
"We’ve got enough we can build around, Joe Allen, Lee Gregory, Nick Powell, James McClean, Tom Ince. We’ve got players throughout the squad. Bruno Martins Indi". According to Jones in The Sentinel.
Not sure I agree with all that list there personally.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 30, 2019 8:09:42 GMT
People are making statements on here in absolute ignorance. The club made a huge mistake in sacking Hughes with no replacement lined up to replace him, and they were actually "warned" by Hughes "Who's going to take the job?" We were rejected by the O'Niel and Flores and there was a huge list of high profile managers in the offing, but we got Lambert, who thought he would never get another chance to manage a Prem team. My guess is there were lots of other managers/agents who said "You must be joking!" We were in the Prem then, and not even bottom, with loads of high profile players. Now we are bottom of the Championship; get real who would want to manage Stoke? The club has to stick with Jones until they find a better option; it is certainly not time to gable on another inexperienced manager. So people can shout "Sack Jones" from the roof tops, but it is not going to happen till the club find someone better who wants the job or is not laying down unacceptable preconditions. Hounding the Coates family is not an answer, they support the club far better than a lot of people appear to on this MB. True fans will get behind the players on Tuesday night and cheer them on to victory. No, they made a huge mistake in not sacking him early enough and by not already having a replacement lined up soon enough. And that was then but this is now and it isn't something that has just materilaised out of the blue, it's been a long time coming, indeed pretty much in slow motion, they're surely not going to leave it too late once again? ... oh hang on, they already have!Exactly; I thought you had missed the point till I read that line. The club know we are in deep trouble, but so do any potential managers, so they are going to steer clear of us, or make impossible demands. As with Hughes we have "painted our self into a corner"and there is no simple way out. Sack Jones now and we could be manager-less for a long time or another "Lambert type" character taking over.
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Post by strangerthingshappen on Sept 30, 2019 8:13:49 GMT
Sentinel: Defiant Jones insists he's still the right man.. That should surely Read,, Sentinel : Deluded Jones Insists this isnt really happening, Its all down to the players... GET HIM OUT ALREADY Its getting both Tedious & Very Boring Now he's full to the Very brim of Shit he now makes Rowett sound like pep in comparison .......... Or; ' Deluded Stoke fan thinks he knows what's better than the club owners and the manager. ' Reading some of the shit that you Bang out id say your heads further gone than jones's thank fuck we dont have owners like you , Ya cretin....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 8:34:45 GMT
"We’ve got enough we can build around, Joe Allen, Lee Gregory, Nick Powell, James McClean, Tom Ince. We’ve got players throughout the squad. Bruno Martins Indi". According to Jones in The Sentinel. Not sure I agree with all that list there personally. Jesus wept,he gets worse How is Allen doing fantastically well ? He's in the worst run of form in his career. How is Powell doing fantastically well ? He's only played twice in 2 months
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Post by 11wilkosinateam on Sept 30, 2019 8:38:23 GMT
Playing McClean at LB or at all is a massive part of his downfall
He’s clearly not smart enough to adapt defensively and yes while we could have defended a lot of the crosses better he could also have stopped a lot of them coming in so easily
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Post by Fred Ferret on Sept 30, 2019 8:46:53 GMT
He has named 6 players to build team around!
He has thrown the rest on the bonfire. Granted, a good number of the unnamed are suspect, but if that is his his primary "6" - the guys gone bloody bonkers.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 8:49:00 GMT
"We’ve got enough we can build around, Joe Allen, Lee Gregory, Nick Powell, James McClean, Tom Ince. We’ve got players throughout the squad. Bruno Martins Indi". According to Jones in The Sentinel. Not sure I agree with all that list there personally. Jesus wept,he gets worse How is Allen doing fantastically well ? He's in the worst run of form in his career. How is Powell doing fantastically well ? He's only placed twice in 2 months ? You have to laugh or you'll cry. You really do.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Sept 30, 2019 8:51:37 GMT
Jesus wept,he gets worse How is Allen doing fantastically well ? He's in the worst run of form in his career. How is Powell doing fantastically well ? He's only placed twice in 2 months ? You have to laugh or you'll cry. You really do. He has only identied 2 of the TEN he has signed
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Post by potterpaul on Sept 30, 2019 8:54:00 GMT
If only he was a horse
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 30, 2019 8:56:12 GMT
Fancy naming the 6 players you want to build a team around and within those name aren't Etebo and N'Diaye... more confirmation he's lost the plot.
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Post by BuckRogers on Sept 30, 2019 8:58:51 GMT
Soon has he mentioned Ince I stopped reading it. Does he watch the same match?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 8:59:58 GMT
"We’ve got enough we can build around, Joe Allen, Lee Gregory, Nick Powell, James McClean, Tom Ince. We’ve got players throughout the squad. Bruno Martins Indi". According to Jones in The Sentinel. Not sure I agree with all that list there personally. I think he was just randomly naming players cus no man sound of mind would build a team around Tom Ince or James McLean if for no other reason than they're both absolutely wank.
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Post by stokiesteve on Sept 30, 2019 9:01:11 GMT
Or .....
Just maybe they’re showing balls and backing their man.
A bit of loyalty perhaps ....
Surely we’re not going to turn on the Coates family are we? 10 of the best sporting years of my life are directly as a result of their investment in the club.
People make bad decisions but if we keep chopping this thing will make us toxic forever, there is a bigger picture in my view.
There is time to give him a vote of confidence, back their man....
Then sack him 😂
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Post by robrigo on Sept 30, 2019 9:02:19 GMT
I’m confused. I thought he’d built his team over the months of June/ July and August when he signed all of those players. He also said, judge me now it’s my own team. Perhaps he wants to build it again and have another crack at building a team in January?
We could rebuild every transfer window and have a squad of fifty or so players. It’s nonsense.
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 30, 2019 9:04:47 GMT
I just wish he would just shut up and go, his endless ramblings are starting to grate now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 9:15:56 GMT
I’m confused. I thought he’d built his team over the months of June/ July and August when he signed all of those players. He also said, judge me now it’s my own team. Perhaps he wants to build it again and have another crack at building a team in January? We could rebuild every transfer window and have a squad of fifty or so players. It’s nonsense. He's a fucking fruit loop
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 9:17:18 GMT
Or ..... Just maybe they’re showing balls and backing their man. A bit of loyalty perhaps .... Surely we’re not going to turn on the Coates family are we? 10 of the best sporting years of my life are directly as a result of their investment in the club. People make bad decisions but if we keep chopping this thing will make us toxic forever, there is a bigger picture in my view. There is time to give him a vote of confidence, back their man.... Then sack him 😂 4 wins in 35 and no signs of improvement and the same mistakes being made fine and time again. The owners have made awful decisions over the past 4 seasons and have shown little idea in how to stop it. They have goodwill but it doesn’t last forever. Relegation from the PL was easily avoidable, relegation from the Championship should be unheard of. That said we are already adrift and showing no signs of it changing. Ultimately the rise of the club is there doing, as is the downfall. Can’t have all the credit and non of the blame.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 9:18:36 GMT
Also imagine picking only 2 of your signings to build a team around.
Another reason he should be sacked never mind the appalling stats.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 30, 2019 9:21:51 GMT
If you are not in the 6 then by definition you are in the "not doing their job" list.
5 a side v Hudds?
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