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Post by nott1 on Sept 26, 2019 10:42:54 GMT
They look as if they are not playing even for themselves, so bad are they!
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Post by stokie1947 on Sept 26, 2019 10:43:19 GMT
it's an absolute disgrace if the players have downed tools fecking hell the wages they are on not too mention letting the heart and soul of the club down the fans
SHAME ON THE LOT OF YOU
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Post by stokief on Sept 26, 2019 10:43:50 GMT
Ah! you say that now Staffsy but when the chants of Tony Pulis Barmy Army started ringing around a full stadium as we finally get our cr'p together, you'll be sitting in the 'Bar' with a pint of G and a bag of speciality scratchings proudly wearing your TP tracksuit and full homage regalia with the rest of us!  Come on Uncle Peter, Bring Tone back! I'll be truthfully gutted and resign myself to relegation if this doesn't happen  In the stars I tell ya !! I hear that the club shop have already ordered a large stock of special vintage replica TP tracksuits and accessories. I take it that you DON'T work for the Club then somerset as that would be an absolutely mega- money making idea but one they wouldn't think of!  A crowd full of TP's, ah! what a vision if only it was a reality sometime soon. |
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Post by nott1 on Sept 26, 2019 10:46:53 GMT
Like him or not every single one of us knows full well he'd do a better job than the total misfit we are now lumbered with (until next week).
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Post by stokief on Sept 26, 2019 10:48:55 GMT
Yep, a real shame that this hasn't worked out.However, I knew nothing about NJ before his appointment and I guess was usuing a lot of wishful thinking where his capacity to turn this sh!t show around was concerned. The signing of old geezers past their sell-by didn't really help. The lack of trust in the youth. He sure hasn't been helped by woeful outings from players such as Jack and ridiculous sending-offs but ultimately he hasn't really got a Scooby what to do I guess. Mix this and his random selections and tactics(word used loosely)it was always going to be a disaster as those poor loves wouldn't know if they were coming or going, literally. There is, undoubtedly, more than meets the eye to out disatrous demise and now there can only be one thing left. A very experienced, no-nonsense, old school Manager who's not afraid to stand his ground with the powers that be or deal with big egos (including their parents  ) someone, who may not be popular with all (but then you can't please all the folk all of the time) but to whom this job, if turned around succesfully would probably be the pinnacle and pride of their career(because of past history)Someone who, although a number would question if he has one would put his heart into this and wouldn't want to be defeated, for himself and for the Club's sake. We all know I think, who my contentious top replacement would be. Goldie looking chain and baseball cap intact and oh! what a story THAT would be eh? Maybe,just Maybe this is the way it's supposed to be. I know I get flak for this each time BUT I really did predict this happening when we were still in the PREM. Now, I'm no Mystic Meg but we do seem to have some sort of curse hanging over the Club. I stick by what I 'foresaw'  back then. I don't know if I'm right or not but I'm convinced it's what should happen. No more tinkering with newbies and their new-age management style, no more blokes who'll happily throw the towel in as quick as they got the job. I've seen that interview Q and A with fans and TS and JC that someone posted on here. No more letting them in on this decision. Peter, Go get Tone back please. let's face it, some of these old geezers that Nath's lumbered us with will be right up TP's street. I even think he'll like Edwards and Collins  and at least he'll have a clue how to organise and motivate this lot! Hell, he may even win a few of those old haters back in the process and wouldn't he just LOVE to do that and prove 'em wrong!! He's not coming back. Well, you do keep saying this and sadly, you're probably correct. Is this because he wouldn't or because of the 'burned bridges' of the past? If it's the latter, for the sake of the Club that should be forgotten. We are a big story, like Sunderalnd of how when it goes wrong, it goes spectacularly wrong. TP can't be blamed for the cookie last few years that have unfolded in front of us and left us at the bottom of the pit. It's just MY opinion, BUT I would wipe the slate clean and go hell for leather to get him in. He has, whether people like it or not, an affinity with this Club. He helped create some of the best moments in our modern history. I truely believe he would be the one to restore this.Now, that would ALSO be a story! |
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 26, 2019 10:50:00 GMT
You can all scoff, but one of my recent "ideas" was to back a remake of a Harry Potter film but with TP as the Dark Lord.
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 26, 2019 10:54:23 GMT
"He's not coming back" Hmm. Thats been said about a lot of great people in the past. . . Mohammed Ali, Frank Sinatra, Alan Hudson . . the lessons of History. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 26, 2019 10:56:39 GMT
You can all scoff, but one of my recent "ideas" was to back a remake of a Harry Potter film but with TP as the Dark Lord. DEFENCE against tbe dark arts. |
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Post by jeycov on Sept 26, 2019 10:57:33 GMT
It’s a difficult situation if potential managers are turning us down
As for the players not “ playing for Jones “, if they realise there will be a change of management then they should be doing everything possible to either put themselves in the shop window and / or getting ready to impress whoever replaces Him
As professionals they should be giving 100% regardless of any unrest behind the scenes
If this is the case, hopefully someone will reinforce the need to get the best possible manager available and a negative response from the players won’t help anyone
It would be ideal to move Jones to a post with less responsibility for a few months in, bring in an experienced manager who is prepared to take a role in developing his potential
No easy solutions, tough times ahead
Very unlikely to happen in the world of professional football other than in the role of assistant manager, how many actually go on to be a manager?
Most seem to move when a manager is sacked
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Post by stokief on Sept 26, 2019 11:02:52 GMT
"He's not coming back" Hmm. Thats been said about a lot of great people in the past. . . Mohammed Ali, Frank Sinatra, Alan Hudson . . the lessons of History. Trouble is, the powers that be would probably cut off the nose to spite the face No, we'll be turned down by countless people then Tone'll get asked at which point he'll think 'why would I bother when I'm 21st choice' and we'll be left with some other clueless bod who can't get another job. That would be SOoooooo Stoke wouldn't it rather than just making a decision and being bold. This isn't even a gamble! Would love to be proved wrong and don't give a flying fig what any of the TP haters think. It's just my opinion after all!! |
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 26, 2019 11:04:28 GMT
Stokief: "Well, you do keep saying this and sadly, you're probably correct. Is this because he wouldn't or because of the 'burned bridges' of the past? If it's the latter, for the sake of the Club that should be forgotten. We are a big story, like Sunderalnd of how when it goes wrong, it goes spectacularly wrong. TP can't be blamed for the cookie last few years that have unfolded in front of us and left us at the bottom of the pit. It's just MY opinion, BUT I would wipe the slate clean and go hell for leather to get him in. He has, whether people like it or not, an affinity with this Club. He helped create some of the best moments in our modern history. I truely believe he would be the one to restore this.Now, that would ALSO be a story!"
It has been suggested that there were major differences between Scholes and Pulis, and if Teflon was to remain at the club that could be a reason for our Tone not to return. Maybe in one scenario if Scholes left and TP returned then we would have an immediate answer to many issues. Sort of a "Rock the City" moment!
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 26, 2019 11:08:08 GMT
We could wait until we got to 50th choice for a new Manager, and then Paul Lambert would do it! At least we would have an ex manager back. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 11:12:53 GMT
Yep. Only at Stoke City would he still have a job, it's an absolute joke that he is still our manager. Very strange that he’s not doing the press conference as well. Dead man walking indeed! Just fuck him off and have done. Our owners are complete jokers. |
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Post by stokief on Sept 26, 2019 11:15:08 GMT
Stokief: "Well, you do keep saying this and sadly, you're probably correct. Is this because he wouldn't or because of the 'burned bridges' of the past? If it's the latter, for the sake of the Club that should be forgotten. We are a big story, like Sunderalnd of how when it goes wrong, it goes spectacularly wrong. TP can't be blamed for the cookie last few years that have unfolded in front of us and left us at the bottom of the pit. It's just MY opinion, BUT I would wipe the slate clean and go hell for leather to get him in. He has, whether people like it or not, an affinity with this Club. He helped create some of the best moments in our modern history. I truely believe he would be the one to restore this.Now, that would ALSO be a story!" It has been suggested that there were major differences between Scholes and Pulis, and if Teflon was to remain at the club that could be a reason for our Tone not to return. Maybe in one scenario if Scholes left and TP returned then we would have an immediate answer to many issues. Sort of a "Rock the City" moment! Well, TS has his feet firmly under the Board table so hardly likely he'll be given the heav-ho. So, that leaves more pointless, poor recruitment decisions to lead us down to oblivion rather than heads being knocked together and hatchet's being buried for the sake of a football Club!! Typical Stoke! |
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Post by subman on Sept 26, 2019 11:16:42 GMT
Let’s be honest, he’s right. Ince only plays for Ince. Having said that I think Thomas had one of his better games against Crawley on Tuesday.
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Post by adi on Sept 26, 2019 11:18:52 GMT
Just heard a snippet on radio stoke from NJ say he dosent know if the players are playing for him. What a naive thing to say, even if they are or aren’t playing for you dint tell the media? Dead man walking? He must know he’s off given those comments? Hughes and Rowett both lost the plot before the end, Rowett in particular really went downhill |
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Post by adi on Sept 26, 2019 11:20:18 GMT
it's an absolute disgrace if the players have downed tools fecking hell the wages they are on not too mention letting the heart and soul of the club down the fans SHAME ON THE LOT OF YOU Shame on the fans? Not really, given the attitude of the club and the players. I think the fans have been very patient. |
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Post by callas12 on Sept 26, 2019 11:22:22 GMT
"He's not coming back" Hmm. Thats been said about a lot of great people in the past. . . Mohammed Ali, Frank Sinatra, Alan Hudson . . the lessons of History. Sure folk said he's not coming back prior to him rejoining us for a 2nd stint here too! Would never rule it out but cant see him making a 3rd coming.. |
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Post by danceswithclams on Sept 26, 2019 11:27:42 GMT
He has, whether people like it or not, an affinity with this Club. He helped create some of the best moments in our modern history. Same could be said of Lou Macari, but you don't see a bunch of swivel-eyed loons clamouring for his return do you? Why might that be? Is it because he's not done anything in football for a number of years and is probably out of touch with the modern game? Well let me break it to you, so is a certain Mr T Pulis. |
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Post by stokief on Sept 26, 2019 11:36:13 GMT
He has, whether people like it or not, an affinity with this Club. He helped create some of the best moments in our modern history. Same could be said of Lou Macari, but you don't see a bunch of swivel-eyed loons clamouring for his return do you? Why might that be? Is it because he's not done anything in football for a number of years and is probably out of touch with the modern game? Well let me break it to you, so is a certain Mr T Pulis. I'm afraid there are times in life when we have to get back to basics for a while and this would seem to be one of them! I realise that some people just can't stand TP, fine with me. Their opinion. You seem sure from your close- to- board sources that he won't be making a return anyway. More fool them I say. Just my opinion. Let's bring in another no -hope, no idea youngster to sort it out with their 'new-age' management ways cause THAT's worked so far or it will just be another old, out of work 'dinosaur'. If that's the case it'd better be the one that KNOWS the Club and respects the Chairman and supporters if nothing else and isn't afraid to stand up to folk! |
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Post by danceswithclams on Sept 26, 2019 12:00:11 GMT
Same could be said of Lou Macari, but you don't see a bunch of swivel-eyed loons clamouring for his return do you? Why might that be? Is it because he's not done anything in football for a number of years and is probably out of touch with the modern game? Well let me break it to you, so is a certain Mr T Pulis. If that's the case it'd better be the one that KNOWS the Club and respects the Chairman and supporters if nothing else and isn't afraid to stand up to folk! The notion that TP 'respects supporters' has made me laugh so hard that some piss has come out. Ask anyone who went to Valencia if they think TP respects them and let me know what they say eh?  |
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 26, 2019 12:07:51 GMT
I have no particular agenda and don't really care who is Manager as long as performances, results and backroom issues all start to turn around and we move in an upward direction again.
The questions seem to be: 1. Can we see a future with Jones.
2. Can we see a future.
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Post by stokief on Sept 26, 2019 12:11:52 GMT
If that's the case it'd better be the one that KNOWS the Club and respects the Chairman and supporters if nothing else and isn't afraid to stand up to folk! The notion that TP 'respects supporters' has made me laugh so hard that some piss has come out. Ask anyone who went to Valencia if they think TP respects them and let me know what they say eh? Yes, I do remember Valencia. However, I don't know what that was all about just as I don't get a Manager swapping and changing his beloved tactics and not having a scooby from one day to the next what to do with the players he has amassed! Nobody is perfect but I'd like to bet that TP would like to put a few things right. We could argue 'til the cows come home about the TP era . I knew when it had reached it's natural conclusion last time around and was supportive of that decision. I'm ready for him to come back though 'cause I truely believe it's the right thing. Many, like yourself, will disagree, but as they say, THAT'S FOOTBALL! |
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Post by thevoid on Sept 26, 2019 12:12:01 GMT
"He's not coming back" Hmm. Thats been said about a lot of great people in the past. . . Mohammed Ali, Frank Sinatra, Alan Hudson . . the lessons of History. Jason Voorhees too. Friday the 13th Part 4 was The Final Chapter- BOOM, six more films. |
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Post by thevoid on Sept 26, 2019 12:14:29 GMT
If that's the case it'd better be the one that KNOWS the Club and respects the Chairman and supporters if nothing else and isn't afraid to stand up to folk! The notion that TP 'respects supporters' has made me laugh so hard that some piss has come out. Ask anyone who went to Valencia if they think TP respects them and let me know what they say eh? Don't forget the Binary Season too, engineered by him so that he was given more funds. |
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Post by thevoid on Sept 26, 2019 12:17:49 GMT
Ah! you say that now Staffsy but when the chants of Tony Pulis Barmy Army started ringing around a full stadium as we finally get our cr'p together, you'll be sitting in the 'Bar' with a pint of G and a bag of speciality scratchings proudly wearing your TP tracksuit and full homage regalia with the rest of us! Come on Uncle Peter, Bring Tone back! I'll be truthfully gutted and resign myself to relegation if this doesn't happen In the stars I tell ya !! I hear that the club shop have already ordered a large stock of special vintage replica TP tracksuits and accessories. Surely these items would be more apt?     |
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 26, 2019 12:18:41 GMT
I think I might accept a binary season right now!
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Post by Goonie on Sept 26, 2019 12:21:12 GMT
Just heard a snippet on radio stoke from NJ say he dosent know if the players are playing for him. What a naive thing to say, even if they are or aren’t playing for you dint tell the media? Dead man walking? He must know he’s off given those comments? Wow. He’s teetering on the brink now. His mental health must be a concern (paranoia). Interesting he's blaming the players, because Nathan 'the New Messiah' Jones couldn't possibly be the issue |
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Post by questionable on Sept 26, 2019 12:21:54 GMT
Obviously he knows his reign is coming to an end but fcuk me this shit show group of players want shafting if they’ve downed tools as it’s us that suffer.
Last season it was allegedly upset as towards certain players retaining their Premiership salaries and now it’s not playing for the manager.
Little message for the players here, you’re at Stoke for a reason mainly that nobody else wants your services as actually you’re not that good despite you probably thinking the opposite.
So take your massively over hyped egos and pay packets and do what you’re paid for or simply leave it’s that simple.
Jones has done himself no favours whatsoever but he put faith in you and this is his reward, shocking.
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Post by stokief on Sept 26, 2019 12:23:25 GMT
The notion that TP 'respects supporters' has made me laugh so hard that some piss has come out. Ask anyone who went to Valencia if they think TP respects them and let me know what they say eh? Don't forget the Binary Season too, engineered by him so that he was given more funds. But let's face it, what's happened in the last three years or so has been so much fun hasn't it and such a rip-roaring success. as I keep saying, everyone has their own opinion on these matters. I wont be an apologist for being in the TP 'return' camp. One person's madness is another person's reality, or maybe both |
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Come on Uncle Peter, Bring Tone back! I'll be truthfully gutted and resign myself to relegation if this doesn't happen 
In the stars I tell ya !!
A crowd full of TP's, ah! what a vision if only it was a reality sometime soon. 
) someone, who may not be popular with all (but then you can't please all the folk all of the time) but to whom this job, if turned around succesfully would probably be the pinnacle and pride of their career(because of past history)Someone who, although a number would question if he has one 
back then. I don't know if I'm right or not but I'm convinced it's what should happen. No more tinkering with newbies and their new-age management style, no more blokes who'll happily throw the towel in as quick as they got the job. I've seen that interview Q and A with fans and TS and JC that someone posted on here. No more letting them in on this decision. Peter, Go get Tone back please. let's face it, some of these old geezers that Nath's lumbered us with will be right up TP's street. I even think he'll like Edwards and Collins 
and at least he'll have a clue how to organise and motivate this lot! Hell, he may even win a few of those old haters back in the process and wouldn't he just LOVE to do that and prove 'em wrong!!
