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Post by wakefieldstokie on Sept 26, 2019 8:39:53 GMT
Just heard a snippet on radio stoke from NJ say he dosent know if the players are playing for him. What a naive thing to say, even if they are or aren’t playing for you dint tell the media?
Dead man walking? He must know he’s off given those comments?
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Post by chell_rosey on Sept 26, 2019 8:45:50 GMT
Just heard a snippet on radio stoke from NJ say he dosent know if the players are playing for him. What a naive thing to say, even if they are or aren’t playing for you dint tell the media? Dead man walking? He must know he’s off given those comments? Wow. He’s teetering on the brink now. His mental health must be a concern (paranoia).
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 26, 2019 8:49:05 GMT
Just heard a snippet on radio stoke from NJ say he dosent know if the players are playing for him. What a naive thing to say, even if they are or aren’t playing for you dint tell the media? Dead man walking? He must know he’s off given those comments? He's admitting defeat isn't he? He has done the past couple of games now.
If he's publicly stating he doesn't know if they're playing for him, then they probably aren't, Nathan.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 8:51:10 GMT
Just heard a snippet on radio stoke from NJ say he dosent know if the players are playing for him. What a naive thing to say, even if they are or aren’t playing for you dint tell the media? Dead man walking? He must know he’s off given those comments? He's admitting defeat isn't he? He has done the past couple of games now.
If he's publicly stating he doesn't know if they're playing for him, then they probably aren't, Nathan.
Yep. Only at Stoke City would he still have a job, it's an absolute joke that he is still our manager.
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Post by The Stubborn Optimist on Sept 26, 2019 9:07:38 GMT
The comment he made following the Crawley game is the one I find most damning, “That’s as bad a performance as I’ve had since I’ve been a manager and I include all my time at Luton Town and all my time since I’ve been here,”
I interpret it is as saying that despite 30+ games, 9 months in charge, a preseason to bring in his own players, behind the scenes changes, new coaching staff, new training regime the end result is the worst performance he's ever seen. After all that time, money and effort the result is a shambles.
He's in effect confirming that no progress whatsoever has been made, quite the reverse in fact, we've regressed.
To me that one comment confirms that his appointment has been an abject failure.
Thanks for your efforts Nathan but we've reached the end of the road.
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Post by future100 on Sept 26, 2019 9:13:39 GMT
Irrespective of the result he gets on Friday the big question is can he lead the charge back up the championship, answers below.....
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Post by stokienorthants on Sept 26, 2019 9:16:45 GMT
The comment he made following the Crawley game is the one I find most damning, “That’s as bad a performance as I’ve had since I’ve been a manager and I include all my time at Luton Town and all my time since I’ve been here,” I interpret it is as saying that despite 30+ games, 9 months in charge, a preseason to bring in his own players, behind the scenes changes, new coaching staff, new training regime the end result is the worst performance he's ever seen. After all that time, money and effort the result is a shambles. He's in effect confirming that no progress whatsoever has been made, quite the reverse in fact, we've regressed. To me that one comment confirms that his appointment has been an abject failure. Thanks for your efforts Nathan but we've reached the end of the road. Excellent summary of our current position. Borrowing the title from one of your avatar’s tunes who on earth will pick up the pieces?
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Post by philb on Sept 26, 2019 9:21:49 GMT
He's admitting defeat isn't he? He has done the past couple of games now. If he's publicly stating he doesn't know if they're playing for him, then they probably aren't, Nathan.
Yep. Only at Stoke City would he still have a job, it's an absolute joke that he is still our manager. Very strange that he’s not doing the press conference as well. Dead man walking indeed!
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Post by harrysburrow on Sept 26, 2019 9:22:37 GMT
The comment he made following the Crawley game is the one I find most damning, “That’s as bad a performance as I’ve had since I’ve been a manager and I include all my time at Luton Town and all my time since I’ve been here,” I interpret it is as saying that despite 30+ games, 9 months in charge, a preseason to bring in his own players, behind the scenes changes, new coaching staff, new training regime the end result is the worst performance he's ever seen. After all that time, money and effort the result is a shambles. He's in effect confirming that no progress whatsoever has been made, quite the reverse in fact, we've regressed. To me that one comment confirms that his appointment has been an abject failure. Thanks for your efforts Nathan but we've reached the end of the road. Excellent summary of our current position. Borrowing the title from one of your avatar’s tunes who on earth will pick up the pieces? Could be another shit manager, in which case it will be "Let's go round again?"
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Post by Absolution on Sept 26, 2019 9:25:04 GMT
The constant tinkering of players, formations and tactics makes it obvious that he simply doesn't know what to do and can't apply any of his own chosen or preferred remedies to the situation.
If we win a couple of games, it'll be because he's stumbled on something from the 'z' list, so can't really be given any credit for it now.
I don't mean to sound churlish when I say that. It's not that I wouldn't want to give him credit. It's just how I feel now. He's making it up as he goes along.
I don't know if Luton was a fluke, and what a shame for him that anyone should be thinking like that, given the stunning success he achieved there, but either that's the case, or there's something beyond our comprehension going on at the club, that's making a potentially great manager look like an absolute fuckwit. Worryingly, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that it's the latter.
I was massively in favour of his appointment. I really wanted a fresh, young, attack-minded manager to reinvigorate the club, and I've clung onto believing in him for longer than most. But right now, I can't see past us having to appoint a very experienced manager to steady the ship. Sad really.
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Post by pushon on Sept 26, 2019 9:26:08 GMT
Just heard a snippet on radio stoke from NJ say he dosent know if the players are playing for him. What a naive thing to say, even if they are or aren’t playing for you dint tell the media? Dead man walking? He must know he’s off given those comments? Maybe he's encouraging the presentation of his P45, so he can go on a couple of years honeymoon😎
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Post by The Stubborn Optimist on Sept 26, 2019 9:27:51 GMT
Excellent summary of our current position. Borrowing the title from one of your avatar’s tunes who on earth will pick up the pieces? Could be another shit manager, in which case it will be "Let's go round again?" Certainly a case of "We got work to do."
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Post by petershiltonsmini on Sept 26, 2019 9:41:53 GMT
The constant tinkering of players, formations and tactics makes it obvious that he simply doesn't know what to do and can't apply any of his own chosen or preferred remedies to the situation. If we win a couple of games, it'll be because he's stumbled on something from the 'z' list, so can't really be given any credit for it now. I don't mean to sound churlish when I say that. It's not that I wouldn't want to give him credit. It's just how I feel now. He's making it up as he goes along. I don't know if Luton was a fluke, and what a shame for him that anyone should be thinking like that, given the stunning success he achieved there, but either that's the case, or there's something beyond our comprehension going on at the club, that's making a potentially great manager look like an absolute fuckwit. Worryingly, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that it's the latter. I was massively in favour of his appointment. I really wanted a fresh, young, attack-minded manager to reinvigorate the club, and I've clung onto believing in him for longer than most. But right now, I can't see past us having to appoint a very experienced manager to steady the ship. Sad really. I just wonder if NJ is suffering the Clough-Taylor syndrome....brilliant together but a shambles apart. Was his right hand man at Luton the reason for their success?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 26, 2019 9:43:49 GMT
IF the players aint playing for him,how the hell can he be in charge on Friday and beyond?
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Post by thevoid on Sept 26, 2019 9:45:48 GMT
Not long until Jexit now.
If he saying things like this, he's completely lost it.
If he has lost the players, why risk sabotaging these two home games if there's a chance they've downed tools?
It's when rather than if now, surely?
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 26, 2019 9:57:27 GMT
I think we need a bit of head butting in the dressroom.
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Post by Absolution on Sept 26, 2019 10:02:01 GMT
The constant tinkering of players, formations and tactics makes it obvious that he simply doesn't know what to do and can't apply any of his own chosen or preferred remedies to the situation. If we win a couple of games, it'll be because he's stumbled on something from the 'z' list, so can't really be given any credit for it now. I don't mean to sound churlish when I say that. It's not that I wouldn't want to give him credit. It's just how I feel now. He's making it up as he goes along. I don't know if Luton was a fluke, and what a shame for him that anyone should be thinking like that, given the stunning success he achieved there, but either that's the case, or there's something beyond our comprehension going on at the club, that's making a potentially great manager look like an absolute fuckwit. Worryingly, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that it's the latter. I was massively in favour of his appointment. I really wanted a fresh, young, attack-minded manager to reinvigorate the club, and I've clung onto believing in him for longer than most. But right now, I can't see past us having to appoint a very experienced manager to steady the ship. Sad really. I just wonder if NJ is suffering the Clough-Taylor syndrome....brilliant together but a shambles apart. Was his right hand man at Luton the reason for their success? I've heard different names mentioned as being influential, but if it's the case that we ended up with Syd Little rather than trying to get both Syd and Eddie together*, then shame on the club for another case of no due diligence whatsoever being done. * I know I could have picked a more contemporary and better comparison but it made me chuckle to myself, so I went with it.
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Sept 26, 2019 10:07:22 GMT
The attitude and stance of our board worries me. Clearly they haven't learnt a thing from the last 3 years and are blinkered to our current situation. I understand the financial impact on sacking yet another manager but Nathan Jones is going to send us down, its clear to see, and the board should act now. What if we beat Forest? Does Jones get an extended lifeline? We really are delaying the inevitable. I hear others say the last few games have showed signs of where Jones want to be etc and with his best 11 but we're playing 1 up front at home for fucks sake with zero creativity to back that 1 man up. Jones' predecessors got the boot for similar tactics and standard of football to the shit we are witnessing.
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Post by stokief on Sept 26, 2019 10:07:44 GMT
Yep, a real shame that this hasn't worked out.However, I knew nothing about NJ before his appointment and I guess was usuing a lot of wishful thinking where his capacity to turn this sh!t show around was concerned. The signing of old geezers past their sell-by didn't really help. The lack of trust in the youth. He sure hasn't been helped by woeful outings from players such as Jack and ridiculous sending-offs but ultimately he hasn't really got a Scooby what to do I guess. Mix this and his random selections and tactics(word used loosely)it was always going to be a disaster as those poor loves wouldn't know if they were coming or going, literally. There is, undoubtedly, more than meets the eye to out disatrous demise and now there can only be one thing left. A very experienced, no-nonsense, old school Manager who's not afraid to stand his ground with the powers that be or deal with big egos (including their parents ) someone, who may not be popular with all (but then you can't please all the folk all of the time) but to whom this job, if turned around succesfully would probably be the pinnacle and pride of their career(because of past history)Someone who, although a number would question if he has one would put his heart into this and wouldn't want to be defeated, for himself and for the Club's sake. We all know I think, who my contentious top replacement would be. Goldie looking chain and baseball cap intact and oh! what a story THAT would be eh? Maybe,just Maybe this is the way it's supposed to be. I know I get flak for this each time BUT I really did predict this happening when we were still in the PREM. Now, I'm no Mystic Meg but we do seem to have some sort of curse hanging over the Club. I stick by what I 'foresaw' back then. I don't know if I'm right or not but I'm convinced it's what should happen. No more tinkering with newbies and their new-age management style, no more blokes who'll happily throw the towel in as quick as they got the job. I've seen that interview Q and A with fans and TS and JC that someone posted on here. No more letting them in on this decision. Peter, Go get Tone back please. let's face it, some of these old geezers that Nath's lumbered us with will be right up TP's street. I even think he'll like Edwards and Collins and at least he'll have a clue how to organise and motivate this lot! Hell, he may even win a few of those old haters back in the process and wouldn't he just LOVE to do that and prove 'em wrong!!
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 26, 2019 10:12:59 GMT
Yep, a real shame that this hasn't worked out.However, I knew nothing about NJ before his appointment and I guess was usuing a lot of wishful thinking where his capacity to turn this sh!t show around was concerned. The signing of old geezers past their sell-by didn't really help. The lack of trust in the youth. He sure hasn't been helped by woeful outings from players such as Jack and ridiculous sending-offs but ultimately he hasn't really got a Scooby what to do I guess. Mix this and his random selections and tactics(word used loosely)it was always going to be a disaster as those poor loves wouldn't know if they were coming or going, literally. There is, undoubtedly, more than meets the eye to out disatrous demise and now there can only be one thing left. A very experienced, no-nonsense, old school Manager who's not afraid to stand his ground with the powers that be or deal with big egos (including their parents ) someone, who may not be popular with all (but then you can't please all the folk all of the time) but to whom this job, if turned around succesfully would probably be the pinnacle and pride of their career(because of past history)Someone who, although a number would question if he has one would put his heart into this and wouldn't want to be defeated, for himself and for the Club's sake. We all know I think, who my contentious top replacement would be. Goldie looking chain and baseball cap intact and oh! what a story THAT would be eh? Maybe,just Maybe this is the way it's supposed to be. I know I get flak for this each time BUT I really did predict this happening when we were still in the PREM. Now, I'm no Mystic Meg but we do seem to have some sort of curse hanging over the Club. I stick by what I 'foresaw' back then. I don't know if I'm right or not but I'm convinced it's what should happen. No more tinkering with newbies and their new-age management style, no more blokes who'll happily throw the towel in as quick as they got the job. I've seen that interview Q and A with fans and TS and JC that someone posted on here. No more letting them in on this decision. Peter, Go get Tone back please. let's face it, some of these old geezers that Nath's lumbered us with will be right up TP's street. I even think he'll like Edwards and Collins and at least he'll have a clue how to organise and motivate this lot! Hell, he may even win a few of those old haters back in the process and wouldn't he just LOVE to do that and prove 'em wrong!! I blame you F,it started to go Tits up when the Bars open thread stopped.🤑
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 26, 2019 10:15:23 GMT
He whose name shouldn't be mentioned.
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Post by stokief on Sept 26, 2019 10:19:59 GMT
Yep, a real shame that this hasn't worked out.However, I knew nothing about NJ before his appointment and I guess was usuing a lot of wishful thinking where his capacity to turn this sh!t show around was concerned. The signing of old geezers past their sell-by didn't really help. The lack of trust in the youth. He sure hasn't been helped by woeful outings from players such as Jack and ridiculous sending-offs but ultimately he hasn't really got a Scooby what to do I guess. Mix this and his random selections and tactics(word used loosely)it was always going to be a disaster as those poor loves wouldn't know if they were coming or going, literally. There is, undoubtedly, more than meets the eye to out disatrous demise and now there can only be one thing left. A very experienced, no-nonsense, old school Manager who's not afraid to stand his ground with the powers that be or deal with big egos (including their parents ) someone, who may not be popular with all (but then you can't please all the folk all of the time) but to whom this job, if turned around succesfully would probably be the pinnacle and pride of their career(because of past history)Someone who, although a number would question if he has one would put his heart into this and wouldn't want to be defeated, for himself and for the Club's sake. We all know I think, who my contentious top replacement would be. Goldie looking chain and baseball cap intact and oh! what a story THAT would be eh? Maybe,just Maybe this is the way it's supposed to be. I know I get flak for this each time BUT I really did predict this happening when we were still in the PREM. Now, I'm no Mystic Meg but we do seem to have some sort of curse hanging over the Club. I stick by what I 'foresaw' back then. I don't know if I'm right or not but I'm convinced it's what should happen. No more tinkering with newbies and their new-age management style, no more blokes who'll happily throw the towel in as quick as they got the job. I've seen that interview Q and A with fans and TS and JC that someone posted on here. No more letting them in on this decision. Peter, Go get Tone back please. let's face it, some of these old geezers that Nath's lumbered us with will be right up TP's street. I even think he'll like Edwards and Collins and at least he'll have a clue how to organise and motivate this lot! Hell, he may even win a few of those old haters back in the process and wouldn't he just LOVE to do that and prove 'em wrong!! I blame you F,it started to go Tits up when the Bars open thread stopped.🤑 I did consider bringing it back for 'one-week-only' to see if it could bring some luck! If the 'Saviour' were to return I would deffo open it up again for old time's sake.
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 26, 2019 10:20:20 GMT
All this conjecture and speculation. So we've tried the deranged evangelist Nathan Jones, about whom some of the kinder comments have been that he's a little unhinged. Lets now go the whole way and go for the completely mad package and try and get Johan Boskamp back.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 26, 2019 10:24:48 GMT
I blame you F,it started to go Tits up when the Bars open thread stopped.🤑 I did consider bringing it back for 'one-week-only' to see if it could bring some luck! If the 'Saviour' were to return I would deffo open it up again for old time's sake. I'd rather the bar stayed closed than have Andy Cap back.🤑
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 10:26:46 GMT
All this conjecture and speculation. So we've tried the deranged evangelist Nathan Jones, about whom some of the kinder comments have been that he's a little unhinged. Lets now go the whole way and go for the completely mad package and try and get Johan Boskamp back. That Nathan Jones he real shit guy GD
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Post by stokief on Sept 26, 2019 10:31:40 GMT
I did consider bringing it back for 'one-week-only' to see if it could bring some luck! If the 'Saviour' were to return I would deffo open it up again for old time's sake. I'd rather the bar stayed closed than have Andy Cap back.🤑 Ah! you say that now Staffsy but when the chants of Tony Pulis Barmy Army started ringing around a full stadium as we finally get our cr'p together, you'll be sitting in the 'Bar' with a pint of G and a bag of speciality scratchings proudly wearing your TP tracksuit and full homage regalia with the rest of us! Come on Uncle Peter, Bring Tone back! I'll be truthfully gutted and resign myself to relegation if this doesn't happen In the stars I tell ya !!
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 26, 2019 10:34:39 GMT
I blame you F,it started to go Tits up when the Bars open thread stopped.🤑 I did consider bringing it back for 'one-week-only' to see if it could bring some luck! If the 'Saviour' were to return I would deffo open it up again for old time's sake. It was empty by the time he left last time!
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 26, 2019 10:35:51 GMT
I'd rather the bar stayed closed than have Andy Cap back.🤑 Ah! you say that now Staffsy but when the chants of Tony Pulis Barmy Army started ringing around a full stadium as we finally get our cr'p together, you'll be sitting in the 'Bar' with a pint of G and a bag of speciality scratchings proudly wearing your TP tracksuit and full homage regalia with the rest of us! Come on Uncle Peter, Bring Tone back! I'll be truthfully gutted and resign myself to relegation if this doesn't happen In the stars I tell ya !! I hear that the club shop have already ordered a large stock of special vintage replica TP tracksuits and accessories.
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Post by stokief on Sept 26, 2019 10:40:29 GMT
I did consider bringing it back for 'one-week-only' to see if it could bring some luck! If the 'Saviour' were to return I would deffo open it up again for old time's sake. It was empty by the time he left last time! That's cause everone went all posy Wine-bar Premiership! Right now , we're back where it all began and I'd be bringing back a 'Proper' bar to match the 'Proper' football Club. Plus, Tone did know how to drive us to drink!
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Post by danceswithclams on Sept 26, 2019 10:41:48 GMT
Yep, a real shame that this hasn't worked out.However, I knew nothing about NJ before his appointment and I guess was usuing a lot of wishful thinking where his capacity to turn this sh!t show around was concerned. The signing of old geezers past their sell-by didn't really help. The lack of trust in the youth. He sure hasn't been helped by woeful outings from players such as Jack and ridiculous sending-offs but ultimately he hasn't really got a Scooby what to do I guess. Mix this and his random selections and tactics(word used loosely)it was always going to be a disaster as those poor loves wouldn't know if they were coming or going, literally. There is, undoubtedly, more than meets the eye to out disatrous demise and now there can only be one thing left. A very experienced, no-nonsense, old school Manager who's not afraid to stand his ground with the powers that be or deal with big egos (including their parents ) someone, who may not be popular with all (but then you can't please all the folk all of the time) but to whom this job, if turned around succesfully would probably be the pinnacle and pride of their career(because of past history)Someone who, although a number would question if he has one would put his heart into this and wouldn't want to be defeated, for himself and for the Club's sake. We all know I think, who my contentious top replacement would be. Goldie looking chain and baseball cap intact and oh! what a story THAT would be eh? Maybe,just Maybe this is the way it's supposed to be. I know I get flak for this each time BUT I really did predict this happening when we were still in the PREM. Now, I'm no Mystic Meg but we do seem to have some sort of curse hanging over the Club. I stick by what I 'foresaw' back then. I don't know if I'm right or not but I'm convinced it's what should happen. No more tinkering with newbies and their new-age management style, no more blokes who'll happily throw the towel in as quick as they got the job. I've seen that interview Q and A with fans and TS and JC that someone posted on here. No more letting them in on this decision. Peter, Go get Tone back please. let's face it, some of these old geezers that Nath's lumbered us with will be right up TP's street. I even think he'll like Edwards and Collins and at least he'll have a clue how to organise and motivate this lot! Hell, he may even win a few of those old haters back in the process and wouldn't he just LOVE to do that and prove 'em wrong!! He's not coming back.
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