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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 6, 2019 22:19:40 GMT
I read something on pulis the other day how he likes studying great leaders of world history, taking great interest in what personal life routes made them great leaders. I assume he looks for certain quality when signing players PMSL. not looking forward to the return of the pulisarus then pugsley? Thought you'd be chuffed to bits tbh 🤭
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 6, 2019 22:23:23 GMT
not looking forward to the return of the pulisarus then pugsley? Thought you'd be chuffed to bits tbh 🤭 I could stomach the thick tool coming back if it meant Scholes left.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 22:29:56 GMT
Only some men are built to weather such a storm. And it took only three from Wales to create such a storm I'm not ruling out Chris Coleman. Three Taffys so far is way beyond coincidence.
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Post by Scrotnig on Sept 6, 2019 22:43:20 GMT
I think they'll talk about that as well, and rightly so. Thing is though...a lot of people on this board want Pulis to come back (though I realise also a lot don't). However, I'm not aware of anyone who wants Hughes to come back. One was sacked at the right time, the other wasn’t. That’s the big difference. Hughes is not really the man people turn to to get them out of a relegation scrap. He could well be the man to turn to if you want to get into one though.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 6, 2019 22:44:48 GMT
One was sacked at the right time, the other wasn’t. That’s the big difference. Hughes is not really the man people turn to to get them out of a relegation scrap. He could well be the man to turn to if you want to get into one though. It’s not really about Pulis vs Hughes. Nobody in their right mind would want either back.
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Post by loosestools on Sept 6, 2019 22:49:16 GMT
Hughes is not really the man people turn to to get them out of a relegation scrap. He could well be the man to turn to if you want to get into one though. It’s not really about Pulis vs Hughes. Nobody in their right mind would want either back. Unfair. I am in my right mind, TP in a crisis, Hughes never again. Long term ???
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 6, 2019 22:52:49 GMT
It’s not really about Pulis vs Hughes. Nobody in their right mind would want either back. Unfair. I am in my right mind, TP in a crisis, Hughes never again. Long term ??? There is no short term though. If Pulis comes back and ‘saves us’ we’re stuck with him. See you later Tom Edwards. Hello four centre halves across the back four. Hello the cage. Hello the Mama role. Bye academy. It isn’t this inevitable choice the dullards and the desperados are making it out to be.
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Post by march4 on Sept 6, 2019 22:56:20 GMT
If they do change the manager I agree there are a lot of worse options. That would be Scholes out of the door aswell you would imagine. Identifying players the DNA way 😁 and who can argue it doesnt work. Almost all of the iconic names bar a tiny proportion from the past 10 years have been TP signings, imo. No coincidence our signings/transfer policy turning to shit coincided with TP leaving stoke It turned to shit about two years before he left. Is that why we were 8th on Boxing Day having just thrashed Liverpool only 5 months before TP left? And didn’t that difficult 3 months that followed coincide with the introduction of the process? It was the process that should have been sacked, not TP.
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Post by loosestools on Sept 6, 2019 22:56:35 GMT
Unfair. I am in my right mind, TP in a crisis, Hughes never again. Long term ??? There is no short term though. If Pulis comes back and ‘saves us’ we’re stuck with him. See you later Tom Edwards. Hello four centre halves across the back four. Hello the cage. Hello the Mama role. Bye academy. It isn’t this inevitable choice the dullards and the desperados are making it out to be. Depends on the contractual negotiations and the agreed brief discussed between PC/JC/TS. TP may only want it short term, it may suit him.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 6, 2019 22:59:07 GMT
There is no short term though. If Pulis comes back and ‘saves us’ we’re stuck with him. See you later Tom Edwards. Hello four centre halves across the back four. Hello the cage. Hello the Mama role. Bye academy. It isn’t this inevitable choice the dullards and the desperados are making it out to be. Depends on the contractual negotiations and the agreed brief discussed between PC/JC/TS. TP may only want it short term, it may suit him. He’s rarely one for walking away - unless someone’s paid him a multi-million pound bonus up front....
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Post by march4 on Sept 6, 2019 23:02:29 GMT
Unfair. I am in my right mind, TP in a crisis, Hughes never again. Long term ??? There is no short term though. If Pulis comes back and ‘saves us’ we’re stuck with him. See you later Tom Edwards. Hello four centre halves across the back four. Hello the cage. Hello the Mama role. Bye academy. It isn’t this inevitable choice the dullards and the desperados are making it out to be. Tony Pulis promoted young players; Shawcross, Wilko, Dickinson, Shotton. It wasn’t TP’s fault that the academy was producing a conveyer belt of players who weren’t good enough. How many of these so called prospects have become household names elsewhere? And I would much rather see the cage than the pathetic tip tap garbage we have been forced to endure this past few seasons. It has just been passive possession for the sake of it with little defensive organisation.
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Post by loosestools on Sept 6, 2019 23:03:07 GMT
Depends on the contractual negotiations and the agreed brief discussed between PC/JC/TS. TP may only want it short term, it may suit him. He’s rarely one for walking away - unless someone’s paid him a multi-million pound bonus up front.... If he does his job he is welcome to the reward. Up to TS to sort that one (wish I could be a fly on the wall in that meeting)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 23:03:33 GMT
Depends on the contractual negotiations and the agreed brief discussed between PC/JC/TS. TP may only want it short term, it may suit him. He’s rarely one for walking away - unless someone’s paid him a multi-million pound bonus up front.... Doesn't all of this depend on his daughter buying a new house?
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Post by milky on Sept 6, 2019 23:05:21 GMT
It turned to shit about two years before he left. Is that why we were 8th on Boxing Day having just thrashed Liverpool only 5 months before TP left? And didn’t that difficult 3 months that followed coincide with the introduction of the process? It was the process that should have been sacked, not TP. He went out of his way to not pick that team again that beat Liverpool on Boxing Day. Not sure how that can be blamed on the process.Or why he decided Ryan Shotton was the new Gareth Bale for that matter.
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Post by loosestools on Sept 6, 2019 23:05:46 GMT
There is no short term though. If Pulis comes back and ‘saves us’ we’re stuck with him. See you later Tom Edwards. Hello four centre halves across the back four. Hello the cage. Hello the Mama role. Bye academy. It isn’t this inevitable choice the dullards and the desperados are making it out to be. Tony Pulis promoted young players; Shawcross, Wilko, Dickinson, Shotton. It wasn’t TP’s fault that the academy was producing a conveyer belt of players who weren’t good enough. How many of these so called prospects have become household names elsewhere? And I would much rather see the cage than the pathetic tip tap garbage we have been forced to endure this past few seasons. It has just been passive possession for the sake of it with little defensive organisation. Posession stats mean everything - we lost - we were shite - but we had most posession
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 6, 2019 23:08:27 GMT
It turned to shit about two years before he left. Is that why we were 8th on Boxing Day having just thrashed Liverpool only 5 months before TP left? And didn’t that difficult 3 months that followed coincide with the introduction of the process? It was the process that should have been sacked, not TP. Why do you keep bollocking on about being 8th at Christmas when you’ve stated more than once that Hughes actually finishing ninth was meaningless? Pulis failed to win 78% of his league games from January 2012. He won four games after new year the season he shit the bed in Valencia. You tediously bollock on about being 8th at Christmas but if you care to actually remember what happened that season, it came off the back of Crouch getting a whack in the mouth and him being forced to play a side with some pace in it. That was the team that hammered Liverpool on Boxing Day. As soon as he could he jettisoned that side and picked a one-paced, dreadful one and we won once in four months. It was only when he was forced to return, grudgingly, to Jerome et al that we got enough points to get over the line. He promptly dropped them again. He signed something like 14 players after 2011 and about three of them played regularly for him. All the while the brilliant cup final team got worse. It scored fewer goals, it got fewer points. Feel free to argue against any of that, or disappear and then come back yapping nonsense like you always do.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 6, 2019 23:09:42 GMT
There is no short term though. If Pulis comes back and ‘saves us’ we’re stuck with him. See you later Tom Edwards. Hello four centre halves across the back four. Hello the cage. Hello the Mama role. Bye academy. It isn’t this inevitable choice the dullards and the desperados are making it out to be. Tony Pulis promoted young players; Shawcross, Wilko, Dickinson, Shotton. It wasn’t TP’s fault that the academy was producing a conveyer belt of players who weren’t good enough. How many of these so called prospects have become household names elsewhere? And I would much rather see the cage than the pathetic tip tap garbage we have been forced to endure this past few seasons. It has just been passive possession for the sake of it with little defensive organisation. He tried to replace Wilko at every turn. He barely played Dicko. He played Shotton out of position. That isn’t promoting youth.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 6, 2019 23:11:44 GMT
He’s rarely one for walking away - unless someone’s paid him a multi-million pound bonus up front.... If he does his job he is welcome to the reward. Up to TS to sort that one (wish I could be a fly on the wall in that meeting) So ‘if he does his job’ you’re up for another 2-3 years of him, yes?
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Post by loosestools on Sept 6, 2019 23:15:09 GMT
Tony Pulis promoted young players; Shawcross, Wilko, Dickinson, Shotton. It wasn’t TP’s fault that the academy was producing a conveyer belt of players who weren’t good enough. How many of these so called prospects have become household names elsewhere? And I would much rather see the cage than the pathetic tip tap garbage we have been forced to endure this past few seasons. It has just been passive possession for the sake of it with little defensive organisation. He tried to replace Wilko at every turn. He barely played Dicko. He played Shotton out of position. That isn’t promoting youth. You are absolutely correct on all points , but lets not forget that the issue is that we are deep in the shit and need to get out of it PDQ.
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Post by stokesupporter on Sept 6, 2019 23:32:13 GMT
Time has passed by TP and us.
I rather be relegated than go back to the same old.. there must be a reason he's still unemployed as a manager.
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Post by Veritas on Sept 6, 2019 23:39:05 GMT
Time has passed by TP and us. I rather be relegated than go back to the same old.. there must be a reason he's still unemployed as a manager. Yes he is a dinosaur, a divisive dinosaur and an untrustworthy divisive dinosaur at that, as stated by a member of the judiciary.
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Post by strangerthingshappen on Sept 7, 2019 0:16:49 GMT
Time has passed by TP and us. I rather be relegated than go back to the same old.. there must be a reason he's still unemployed as a manager. Yep he's taken a break out to spend some well earned time with his family. Can't begrudge a man that surely....
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Post by StokieBoy31 on Sept 7, 2019 1:02:42 GMT
Pulis won’t return while Tony Scholes is still at this football club.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 6:48:46 GMT
So nobody will talk about beating Liverpool 6-1, destroying Manchester City, Bojan, Shaqiri? I think they'll talk about that as well, and rightly so. Thing is though...a lot of people on this board want Pulis to come back (though I realise also a lot don't). However, I'm not aware of anyone who wants Hughes to come back. Just over 10% In the poll want Pulis back so almost 90% don't.That's pretty conclusive
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 7, 2019 7:04:39 GMT
If he does his job he is welcome to the reward. Up to TS to sort that one (wish I could be a fly on the wall in that meeting) So ‘if he does his job’ you’re up for another 2-3 years of him, yes? It depends what 'does his job' means, doesn't it? If his job is to actually win games and get us promoted, then 2 - 3 years of winning football would be wonderful. Likewise, had he been appointed to do a rescue job after we lost to West Ham under Hughes and he kept us up, that would also have been very nice.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 7, 2019 7:23:15 GMT
So ‘if he does his job’ you’re up for another 2-3 years of him, yes? It depends what 'does his job' means, doesn't it? If his job is to actually win games and get us promoted, then 2 - 3 years of winning football would be wonderful. Likewise, had he been appointed to do a rescue job after we lost to West Ham under Hughes and he kept us up, that would also have been very nice. His job in this instance would be to keep us up. We then have years of a team built of yet more thirty somethings, no full backs, even less creativity, we get rid of the few talented youngsters we’ve got and we kick all our problems into the long grass. I want us to move forwards, not backwards. This idea he’d return and lead us back to the promised land is hardly a given. As great an achievement as getting promotion was, he’s only actually done it once. He’s not a serial promotion winner like Warnock or even McCarthy, Bruce or Holloway. His methods aren’t as effective as they once were. If you look at the teams promoted in the last 2-3 years, Cardiff are the only ones who really play anything like his teams.
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Post by strangerthingshappen on Sept 7, 2019 7:28:41 GMT
I think they'll talk about that as well, and rightly so. Thing is though...a lot of people on this board want Pulis to come back (though I realise also a lot don't). However, I'm not aware of anyone who wants Hughes to come back. Just over 10% In the poll want Pulis back so almost 90% don't.That's pretty conclusive Although u conveniently left out 13 % not 10, And there are a fair few names on the list AND He's in second so far far from none conclusive... Houghton is winning on 28% so really 72% dont want him either ... comon you cant seriously be employing logic of that delusion... I think you, toxic and the gang ought to start a TP Cult...... Pulis haters gonna hate and pull any stat they can from there arses to back up there own twisted views which they have mainly convinced themselves of whilst nobody else is really bothered. Its kind of funny cos its the same old bullshit from the same old names ;-) ....
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 7, 2019 7:41:49 GMT
It depends what 'does his job' means, doesn't it? If his job is to actually win games and get us promoted, then 2 - 3 years of winning football would be wonderful. Likewise, had he been appointed to do a rescue job after we lost to West Ham under Hughes and he kept us up, that would also have been very nice. His job in this instance would be to keep us up. We then have years of a team built of yet more thirty somethings, no full backs, even less creativity, we get rid of the few talented youngsters we’ve got and we kick all our problems into the long grass. I want us to move forwards, not backwards. This idea he’d return and lead us back to the promised land is hardly a given. As great an achievement as getting promotion was, he’s only actually done it once. He’s not a serial promotion winner like Warnock or even McCarthy, Bruce or Holloway. His methods aren’t as effective as they once were. If you look at the teams promoted in the last 2-3 years, Cardiff are the only ones who really play anything like his teams. Pulls also had a fair share of luck , we didn't win a game on the run in during our promotion season , luckily all the teams around us faltered as well .
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Post by Davef on Sept 7, 2019 7:42:39 GMT
Just over 10% In the poll want Pulis back so almost 90% don't.That's pretty conclusive Although u conveniently left out 13 % not 10, And there are a fair few names on the list AND He's in second so far far from none conclusive... Houghton is winning on 28% so really 72% dont want him either ... comon you cant seriously be employing logic of that delusion... I think you, toxic and the gang ought to start a TP Cult...... Pulis haters gonna hate and pull any stat they can from there arses to back up there own twisted views which they have mainly convinced themselves of whilst nobody else is really bothered. Its kind of funny cos its the same old bullshit from the same old names ;-) .... Talking of old names, what was yours before you re-registered?
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Post by thisfootballclub on Sept 7, 2019 7:42:39 GMT
Time has passed by TP and us. I rather be relegated than go back to the same old.. there must be a reason he's still unemployed as a manager. I'd suggest this is due to him been in a position where he can to a degree pick and choose. I'm sure his stock as a manger is still quite high and that a few Championship clubs and Premier League relegation favourites will have one eye on his situation.
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