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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 21, 2019 22:13:58 GMT
Yes I do mean his “philosophy” because he doesn’t have the players for it and it’s naive to think he does. He’s gone an announced it to the world and so everyone else will play to our weaknesses. It’s not just Butland. We had one shot on Target, we had no midfield, we look like we don’t have a clue what we are doing. And he can’t see it’s not working. We are wide open. It’s clearly not working. Its missing one player (a dirty bastard of a DM) and the right 2 at the back that work well together imo. Edit, and a keeper that can make a save. And a left back. Or a proper left winger/wide player if we change formation.
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Post by adi on Aug 21, 2019 22:15:28 GMT
On the Sentinel article. “Since I’ve come here there’s been a hangover of players wanting to leave, players thinking they are proper players, players wanting to go and play in Europe, players thinking of their international careers. There hasn’t been a group here together who wants to play and focus and win games for Stoke City, that’s a problem.” Perhaps they don't want to play for you Nath? Are you a lemming? We’ll add him to the list alongside Hughes, Lambert and Rowett then...
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Post by oatcakesteve on Aug 21, 2019 22:15:36 GMT
No matter the tactics, what food we eat, what bus we travel on, it doesn’t make any difference. Players have to do their jobs. We weren’t good in one box and were terrible in the other.” Whilst I understand the calls for change, the facts are individual mistakes from experienced professionals are the issue as he says above We are creating the most chances and conceding the fewest that is good coaching. He needs patience ...... ....and yes I am concerned These are his players his tactics his decision who plays and where, he asked to be judged after a full pre season he is the manager of this pile of horse shit simple as that, we are worse now than under Rowett that is a fact that can not be ignored much longer, he put his head on the block just a matter of time before the axe falls. Do you think he's lost the dressing room already?
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 21, 2019 22:15:43 GMT
The way he's talking he sounds like he's going to drop half the lineup for the younger players, I'll believe it when I see it. He's floundering and drowning in the shit of his own making, all the big talk is catching up with him he's been found out at this level.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 21, 2019 22:17:52 GMT
A good number of which didn't make the squad tonight... beyond bizarre Smith, Vokes, Ward, Cousins and next will be Baath dropped because they aren't good enough. He's realised Davies isn't good enough just watching him in pre season and training.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 21, 2019 22:18:06 GMT
With all the experience Paul Hart has had in the game you’d think he’d have a word with Jones about the formation we’re playing
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 21, 2019 22:19:07 GMT
These are his players his tactics his decision who plays and where, he asked to be judged after a full pre season he is the manager of this pile of horse shit simple as that, we are worse now than under Rowett that is a fact that can not be ignored much longer, he put his head on the block just a matter of time before the axe falls. Do you think he's lost the dressing room already? Not sure he ever had it tbh, we got worse when he took over last season which has carried over despite his signings this.
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Aug 21, 2019 22:19:47 GMT
Don’t be stupid how can he be any worse when Butland has cost us 5 gaols in 4 games, some people must be blind on this site He’s had a rough start but if you think Federici is better then I strongly suggest you seek medical help Better as a whole is irrelevant. Basics are what is required. Who will do the basics. We’ve conceded 10 goals now, butland was fully culpable for 4, partly for another 1. Take away those 4 goals without any thought for their impact on the confidence/dynamic of the team and we’re in a completely different position. He’s cost us, and his mistake have got worse. Worst thing we ever did was sell Grant. Ideal championship keeper, good distribution, did the basics well. Butland is an ideal lower half prem keeper. Picks worldies out the top corner week in week out. We don’t need that, we need basics done well.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 21, 2019 22:20:07 GMT
If thats the case who will they play for? A big name manager who has been there and done it. Someone who they can look up to and have total faith in their ability as manager. Unless this happens the slide will continue. So all of a sudden they want to play in the champ, I don't buy it.
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 21, 2019 22:20:40 GMT
With all the experience Paul Hart has had in the game you’d think he’d have a word with Jones about the formation we’re playing Wasn’t it Hart that gave Jones the raging boner for the diamond in the first place?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 21, 2019 22:20:40 GMT
Its missing one player (a dirty bastard of a DM) and the right 2 at the back that work well together imo. Edit, and a keeper that can make a save. And a left back. Or a proper left winger/wide player if we change formation. McClean on the whole has been fine imo.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 21, 2019 22:20:54 GMT
With all the experience Paul Hart has had in the game you’d think he’d have a word with Jones about the formation we’re playing Hart's the bloke who single-handedly got him obsessed with diamonds in the first place, isn't he? Like asking George Best to get someone off the booze!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 21, 2019 22:21:47 GMT
Do you think he's lost the dressing room already? Not sure he ever had it tbh, we got worse when he took over last season which has carried over despite his signings this. No we didn't, the defence for one got better ironically.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 21, 2019 22:22:23 GMT
With all the experience Paul Hart has had in the game you’d think he’d have a word with Jones about the formation we’re playing Wasn’t it Hart that gave Jones the raging boner for the diamond in the first place? Maybe so but surely a bloke with all the years in the game can see it’s not working
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Post by tony1234 on Aug 21, 2019 22:22:26 GMT
Its missing one player (a dirty bastard of a DM) and the right 2 at the back that work well together imo. Edit, and a keeper that can make a save. And a left back. Or a proper left winger/wide player if we change formation. And a better quality striker perchance? And probably a new central midfielder alongside Etebo.
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 21, 2019 22:23:03 GMT
With all the experience Paul Hart has had in the game you’d think he’d have a word with Jones about the formation we’re playing Hart's the bloke who single-handedly got him obsessed with diamonds in the first place, isn't he? Like asking George Best to get someone off the booze! Sad but true!
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Post by Squeekster on Aug 21, 2019 22:23:26 GMT
A good number of which didn't make the squad tonight... beyond bizarre Smith, Vokes, Ward, Cousins and next will be Baath dropped because they aren't good enough. He's realised Davies isn't good enough just watching him in pre season and training. So he signed a player that he'd never seen till pre season?
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Post by miltonpotterfan on Aug 21, 2019 22:23:35 GMT
Oh well Pulis is available.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 22:24:02 GMT
I’ve never felt so embarrassed as I feel with this interview. Fuck off! I've never been so embarrassed to be a Stoke fan with the amount of absolute fucking bollocks spouted on here. It's a fucking swamp of cunts And it's the most vocal minority. It's draining to come on here. I don't know why a lot of you on here actually support Stoke.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Aug 21, 2019 22:25:51 GMT
With all the experience Paul Hart has had in the game you’d think he’d have a word with Jones about the formation we’re playing Irresistible... those were Harts words
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 21, 2019 22:26:39 GMT
Oh well Pulis is available. The longer this goes on the bigger the prospect of him returning sadly
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 22:27:17 GMT
I’ve never felt so embarrassed as I feel with this interview. Fuck off! I've never been so embarrassed to be a Stoke fan with the amount of absolute fucking bollocks spouted on here. It's a fucking swamp of cunts You’re happy with that interview... I think it was a disgrace. You’re entitled to your opinion and I’m entitled to mine. You can scroll past it if you want to. I don’t appreciate any manager who speaks about our players publicly like that or the goings on at our club like that and I can say what I want.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 22:29:39 GMT
Wasn’t it Hart that gave Jones the raging boner for the diamond in the first place? Maybe so but surely a bloke with all the years in the game can see it’s not working Hart got sacked at Forest playing it, ironically with Prutton at the base.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 22:30:29 GMT
I've never been so embarrassed to be a Stoke fan with the amount of absolute fucking bollocks spouted on here. It's a fucking swamp of cunts You’re happy with that interview... I think it was a disgrace. You’re entitled to your opinion and I’m entitled to mine. You can scroll past it if you want to. I don’t appreciate any manager who speaks about our players publicly like that or the goings on at our club like that and I can say what I want. The problem is you only think it's a disgrace because it's Jones. Not the content. It's clear that it's the case for you and a load of the other usual suspects
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 21, 2019 22:30:46 GMT
Maybe so but surely a bloke with all the years in the game can see it’s not working Hart got sacked at Forest playing it, ironically with Prutton at the base. Didn’t know that mate,good knowledge 👍
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Post by oatcakesteve on Aug 21, 2019 22:33:50 GMT
You don’t say that on the tv on Sky Sports. You just don’t. He’s a fucking idiot. I’d rather think it’s refreshingly honest, rather than the miserable shite Hughes would peddle. Butland desperately needs to be dropped but I fear we have no better alternative which is beyond concerning. Whether he wants to play for us or not, he is contractually obliged to do so. If he's not doing his job to the best of his ability, then he needs benching and wages docked. Until he finds a club that he actually wants to put his effort into, then he can do one. Ungrateful twat.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 22:33:58 GMT
Hart got sacked at Forest playing it, ironically with Prutton at the base. Didn’t know that mate,good knowledge 👍 He also had to put his whole squad up for sale in his first season, 2nd season made the playoffs. Then got sacked the following season after 14 games.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 22:35:03 GMT
You’re happy with that interview... I think it was a disgrace. You’re entitled to your opinion and I’m entitled to mine. You can scroll past it if you want to. I don’t appreciate any manager who speaks about our players publicly like that or the goings on at our club like that and I can say what I want. The problem is you only think it's a disgrace because it's Jones. Not the content. It's clear that it's the case for you and a load of the other usual suspects No I don’t at all. It was the same with Rowett. I have said on here I don’t think he has the players for his diamond. I have also said I don’t think he inability to adapt is helpful. I don’t really know what’s wrong with that. I’ve clearly explained on the interview thread exactly what with the “content” I was not at all impressed with and made it clear that it was. I’ve never before said he should be sacked and I haven’t now but I would not give a toss if he went after that interview.
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Post by jontimmis on Aug 21, 2019 22:42:54 GMT
Before long he’ll have better things to do on a Saturday!
If he’s said that, it’s no different to Rowett. Let’s be fair. It’s exacrly the same. Problem is Nath the players you’ve bought in don’t fit your words or mantra either.
So I’m confused. Are you part of the secret society that continues to fuck up our club?
I think we are all hypnotised.... he’s won 2/22 games in the league for fucks sake!
Name the last manager with that record?
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Post by musik on Aug 21, 2019 22:48:36 GMT
I've only read the written interview, not listened to it.
Most frightening is this:
"We had enough opportunities to get something from the game."
He's started to sound like Pulis.
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