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Post by tony1234 on Aug 19, 2019 0:24:20 GMT
Its all a bit horrific really. 4 wins in 25 under Jones Worst form of all clubs in the league over 25 games barring those that dropped from the PL (http://www.footstats.co.uk/index.cfm?task=formguide) Lowest scorers (scorring half the number of goals or less than scored by WBA, Brentford, Sheff Wednesday) - average of 1 goal a game since the start of last season - worse than Wigan, Rotherham and Millwall No win in 9 league games, going back to April 6th. You're not allowed to state facts you'll be called negative or maybe even a twat. Don't worry its all going to be fine because we drew at home yesterday to Derby. Yup, true enough! Being deliberately stupid is hard. That said, trying to stay balanced, so I thought 10 games & 10 points min at the start of this season would both recognise that the challenge in hand isn't straightforward, but also that we need to see progress, and evidence that the second half of last season offered no evidence on our prognosis. Performances are reasonably good in spells. No lack of huff n puff. However, in critical moments, at both ends of the pitch, we are poor - and if that persists, its down to the quality of players and manager and their decisions.
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Post by Fegg 'Ayes Observer on Aug 19, 2019 5:02:14 GMT
Sack the fecker
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 19, 2019 6:29:04 GMT
We aren’t far off the same for now at Least but I’d literally stick with him come what may the manager is not the “ elephant “ in the room . Well that's where we do disagree then because the last 2 managers have both had great support financially and have got in the players they wanted to. Rowett spent 50m and Jones has bought in 11 of his own signings. The results on the pitch are 100% the managers responsibility let's not start going down that avenue again because it's been done to death. The last 3 managers were totally the wrong choices (yes that's down to the board) Rowett was a complete charlatan of a manager,achieved absolutely nothing in his management career of any note yet we trusted him with a massive rebuilding task and gave him 50m. Jones is a likeable guy and a very decent lower league manager but again he was the wrong choice, he's never managed at this level and only knew how to use a system that we didn't have the players for and one nobody really uses in the top divisions any more. He is a massive gamble we simply should not have taken. We may as well have kept Lambert if the options werent available, at least he knew the squad and would have had a head start and has actually got a team promoted from this very division before. Don’t disagree on choices but Jones hasn’t had the backing his predecessors had there for example it’s very clear Gayle , Justin , Stacey and others were all first choices but he didn’t have the firepower . However that’s not the issue we cant sweep away the issues as it’s all the manager this one was hired for total change if direction it’s under way now we have to stay the course Even if it’s abxjwaes first , changing. This manager and allowing the same people and process who selected him off the basket of a pub Chat will only make things worse . The process and leadership over eh alt three years have shown there is no footballing situation they can’t make worse .indeed it’s the changes Ofer that timeline we need to track to address the issue and get real football expertise into the process
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Aug 19, 2019 6:32:06 GMT
No chance mate. You're not as pessimistic as me. I would say I'm the most pessimistic but someone would probably beat me. Oatcake Upmanship: Say you've been to Tenerife,someone will try to tell you they've been to elevenerife....😉
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Post by strangerthingshappen on Aug 19, 2019 6:39:02 GMT
Its ok we may be bottom but were playing well so we're ok apparently...
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Post by madnellie on Aug 19, 2019 6:55:13 GMT
I would say I'm the most pessimistic but someone would probably beat me. Oatcake Upmanship: Say you've been to Tenerife,someone will try to tell you they've been to elevenerife....😉 Pfffft! I'm typing this on the beach in Fortyventura.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 19, 2019 7:16:52 GMT
Its ok we may be bottom but were playing well so we're ok apparently... Again, I’ll have a bash at ‘context’. Previously, we weren’t playing well. Previously we weren’t creating anything. Previously we had a team of wheezing sloths . All of those things are being addressed. That’s why there’s some positivity around. Nobody plays well for long without getting a reward. If we keep that up, and it’s not certain that we will, we’ll get where we want to be in the end. There are obviously still problems but compared to where we were two weeks ago, six months ago, 12 months ago, there has been an improvement. Would people obviously have preferred to see us still riven with all of the same problems, get battered for 90 minutes and scrape an unconvincing 1-0 win off our only shot on target? That would’ve told us nothing, just like Rowett’s ‘unbeaten run’ of mostly draws and late era Hughes spawning the odd win to keep himself in a job while the rot continued to set in.
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Post by strangerthingshappen on Aug 19, 2019 7:19:13 GMT
Its ok we may be bottom but were playing well so we're ok apparently... Again, I’ll have a bash at ‘context’. Previously, we weren’t playing well. Previously we weren’t creating anything. Previously we had a team of wheezing sloths . All of those things are being addressed. That’s why there’s some positivity around. Nobody plays well for long without getting a reward. If we keep that up, and it’s not certain that we will, we’ll get where we want to be in the end. There are obviously still problems but compared to where we were two weeks ago, six months ago, 12 months ago, there has been an improvement. Would people obviously have preferred to see us still riven with all of the same problems, get battered for 90 minutes and scrape an unconvincing 1-0 win off our only shot on target? That would’ve told us nothing, just like Rowett’s ‘unbeaten run’ of mostly draws and late era Hughes spawning the odd win to keep himself in a job while the rot continued to set in. I know ,,, But how much more possitivity are we to gain the further we sink down the plughole #???
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 19, 2019 7:22:01 GMT
Again, I’ll have a bash at ‘context’. Previously, we weren’t playing well. Previously we weren’t creating anything. Previously we had a team of wheezing sloths . All of those things are being addressed. That’s why there’s some positivity around. Nobody plays well for long without getting a reward. If we keep that up, and it’s not certain that we will, we’ll get where we want to be in the end. There are obviously still problems but compared to where we were two weeks ago, six months ago, 12 months ago, there has been an improvement. Would people obviously have preferred to see us still riven with all of the same problems, get battered for 90 minutes and scrape an unconvincing 1-0 win off our only shot on target? That would’ve told us nothing, just like Rowett’s ‘unbeaten run’ of mostly draws and late era Hughes spawning the odd win to keep himself in a job while the rot continued to set in. I know ,,, But how much more possitivity are we to gain the further we sink down the plughole #??? Have I missed a new rule that says anyone bottom after three games has to stay there all season?
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Post by robrigo on Aug 19, 2019 7:24:10 GMT
We are playing so much better but as well all know it’s points that matter in football. The Preston game I believe is a ‘must win’ already.
I’m sick of the shit starts we make which immediately put us on the back foot. Points please- 3 points and quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2019 7:28:51 GMT
Its ok we may be bottom but were playing well so we're ok apparently... Again, I’ll have a bash at ‘context’. Previously, we weren’t playing well. Previously we weren’t creating anything. Previously we had a team of wheezing sloths . All of those things are being addressed. That’s why there’s some positivity around. Nobody plays well for long without getting a reward. If we keep that up, and it’s not certain that we will, we’ll get where we want to be in the end. There are obviously still problems but compared to where we were two weeks ago, six months ago, 12 months ago, there has been an improvement. Would people obviously have preferred to see us still riven with all of the same problems, get battered for 90 minutes and scrape an unconvincing 1-0 win off our only shot on target? That would’ve told us nothing, just like Rowett’s ‘unbeaten run’ of mostly draws and late era Hughes spawning the odd win to keep himself in a job while the rot continued to set in. Already after three games we're having over 20% more goal attempts inside the 18 yard box compared to last season, and around 10-15% less pot shots from outside the box. It points to a more mobile team that is getting into the opponent's area more times than enough. We're only second behind Brentford for the 18 yard box stat. The goals conceded stat is ridiculous. An average of 6 shots conceded per game, 7 goals conceded. Millwall concede 12 shots per game and have conceded just 1 goal. Luton conceded 19 shots per game, over three times ours, and have shipped the same amount of goals - 7. It can't go on like this, the shot stat alone tells us how strong our structure is defensively and the goals against will surely drop the longer this goes on.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 19, 2019 7:31:53 GMT
So I take it everyone who's shitting themselves think Charlton are getting promoted to the Premier League then?...
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Post by strangerthingshappen on Aug 19, 2019 7:36:27 GMT
I know ,,, But how much more possitivity are we to gain the further we sink down the plughole #??? Have I missed a new rule that says anyone bottom after three games has to stay there all season? No You just missed the new I'm gonna happy clap my way to division 1 rule because were playing better than we have in a while and the league table is just lying.....
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Post by strangerthingshappen on Aug 19, 2019 7:37:35 GMT
So I take it everyone who's shitting themselves think Charlton are getting promoted to the Premier League then?... That doesnt really make to much sense ,,,, because if we all though charlton are shit and relegation material what does that make us by default ??
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 19, 2019 7:40:35 GMT
Have I missed a new rule that says anyone bottom after three games has to stay there all season? No You just missed the new I'm gonna happy clap my way to division 1 rule because were playing better than we have in a while and the league table is just lying..... It isn’t happy clapping. Happy clapping is mindless optimism based on nothing. I’ve explained why I think there is cause for a bit of hope. It’s the middle of August, excuse me if I don’t have a coronary about us being bottom of the league. Have you seen any of the games, or did you just spend them all glued to the table for 90 minutes?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2019 7:46:27 GMT
Have I missed a new rule that says anyone bottom after three games has to stay there all season? No You just missed the new I'm gonna happy clap my way to division 1 rule because were playing better than we have in a while and the league table is just lying..... Anyone who takes so much notice of a league table after 3 games is just a bit stupid.
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Post by Gods on Aug 19, 2019 7:47:26 GMT
So I take it everyone who's shitting themselves think Charlton are getting promoted to the Premier League then?... It's not a question of shitting yourself, once again the season is 3 games in but no one seems to have told us, so we find ourselves in catch up mode. It's not what any of us wanted.
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Post by strangerthingshappen on Aug 19, 2019 7:52:30 GMT
No You just missed the new I'm gonna happy clap my way to division 1 rule because were playing better than we have in a while and the league table is just lying..... It isn’t happy clapping. Happy clapping is mindless optimism based on nothing. I’ve explained why I think there is cause for a bit of hope. It’s the middle of August, excuse me if I don’t have a coronary about us being bottom of the league. Have you seen any of the games, or did you just spend them all glued to the table for 90 minutes? Happy Clapping is mindless optimism based on nothing - ( thats your defenition nobody elses ). In the middle of august -- we've played 3 league games & not won one , which on the bigger scale may not mean to much but if you filp it back 4 in 25 doesnt exactly exert faith... have I seen any of the games, Wow your insults know no boundaries obviously ive been watching the damn league table the same league table that shows us at our lowest ebb in over 10 years...
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Post by strangerthingshappen on Aug 19, 2019 7:54:17 GMT
No You just missed the new I'm gonna happy clap my way to division 1 rule because were playing better than we have in a while and the league table is just lying..... Anyone who takes so much notice of a league table after 3 games is just a bit stupid. for me just as much as anyone who thinks were ok after 4 in 25...Stupid just supid...
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 19, 2019 7:55:33 GMT
So I take it everyone who's shitting themselves think Charlton are getting promoted to the Premier League then?... That doesnt really make to much sense ,,,, because if we all though charlton are shit and relegation material what does that make us by default ?? You're correct, we're going to get relegated.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 19, 2019 7:56:14 GMT
It isn’t happy clapping. Happy clapping is mindless optimism based on nothing. I’ve explained why I think there is cause for a bit of hope. It’s the middle of August, excuse me if I don’t have a coronary about us being bottom of the league. Have you seen any of the games, or did you just spend them all glued to the table for 90 minutes? Happy Clapping is mindless optimism based on nothing - ( thats your defenition nobody elses ). In the middle of august -- we've played 3 league games & not won one , which on the bigger scale may not mean to much but if you filp it back 4 in 25 doesnt exactly exert faith... have I seen any of the games, Wow your insults know no boundaries obviously ive been watching the damn league table the same league table that shows us at our lowest ebb in over 10 years... It’s not so much a question of insults, I’m genuinely curious to know if you’ve really seen nothing in the last couple of games to make you think things might actually turn out ok?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 19, 2019 7:56:28 GMT
So I take it everyone who's shitting themselves think Charlton are getting promoted to the Premier League then?... It's not a question of shitting yourself, once again the season is 3 games in but no one seems to have told us, so we find ourselves in catch up mode. It's not what any of us wanted. Nope not what we wanted but even a blind man can see it'll turn for us.
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Post by strangerthingshappen on Aug 19, 2019 7:56:58 GMT
That doesnt really make to much sense ,,,, because if we all though charlton are shit and relegation material what does that make us by default ?? You're correct, we're going to get relegated. Mind reader !!!
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Aug 19, 2019 7:57:37 GMT
Is Preston now a must win game? I don’t expect much against Leeds so this one is vital on Wednesday to ease some pressure at least.
Otherwise we are probably looking at five games without a win.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 19, 2019 7:58:38 GMT
So I take it everyone who's shitting themselves think Charlton are getting promoted to the Premier League then?... Sheffield United did it with hard workers and journeymen so I keep getting told so why not Charlton ?
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Post by strangerthingshappen on Aug 19, 2019 7:59:41 GMT
Happy Clapping is mindless optimism based on nothing - ( thats your defenition nobody elses ). In the middle of august -- we've played 3 league games & not won one , which on the bigger scale may not mean to much but if you filp it back 4 in 25 doesnt exactly exert faith... have I seen any of the games, Wow your insults know no boundaries obviously ive been watching the damn league table the same league table that shows us at our lowest ebb in over 10 years... It’s not so much a question of insults, I’m genuinely curious to know if you’ve really seen nothing in the last couple of games to make you think things might actually turn out ok? To be brutaly honest,,, During matches yes but only the last 2 ..... at the final whistle No not at all ,,, Not showing the correct mentality to push on and win games can harm you more than just being shit.....
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Post by 16quidachuck on Aug 19, 2019 8:01:26 GMT
Norwich And Bolton Turned out differently to where they were after 3 last season Attachments:
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 19, 2019 8:05:00 GMT
Norwich And Bolton Turned out differently to where they were after 3 last season Well at least it's only 1 point less than under that shit house Rowett.
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Post by Gods on Aug 19, 2019 8:06:43 GMT
It's not a question of shitting yourself, once again the season is 3 games in but no one seems to have told us, so we find ourselves in catch up mode. It's not what any of us wanted. Nope not what we wanted but even a blind man can see it'll turn for us. Yes, I agree but for fear of being a bore it has to turn just a little more than it otherwise would have done with even an average start!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2019 8:10:14 GMT
Anyone who takes so much notice of a league table after 3 games is just a bit stupid. for me just as much as anyone who thinks were ok after 4 in 25...Stupid just supid... This is a new season and we are showing obvious signs of significant improvement.
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