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Post by stokerstayinup on Jul 28, 2019 10:27:35 GMT
An alternative view might be that McClean was trying to mark 2 people with little help from Allen....not altogether surprising that neither are entirely comfortable in their positions given it's pretty new to them That’s why I’ve said the left hand side was an abortion. It was McClean and Allen.... Pereira was doing that to Premier league defences last season.I doubt we#ll have to face anyone like him again this season.
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Post by onefatcopper on Jul 28, 2019 10:28:07 GMT
The MB's gone down the toilet faster than the team has. The Everything Else board needs taking down- it's basically a playground for racists and a complete embarrassment. This board's gone downhill due to the relentless negativity of one person who seems to think it's his mission in life to drag every thread into the same anti-Jones, anti-Butland, anti-Allen, anti-Stoke rant. Ironically I’m one of the fuckers that saw the issues early and wanted them stopping so this wouldn’t happen. I’m not anti Stoke. The whole point of my whining that you and others fail to see is that I want us to be good, I want us to improve. I don’t want us to be in the position we are now. I see people like you as the people who have allowed this to happen with your brushing it under the carpet attitude. The club know what they’re doing attitude. I get why people are like that, showing loyalty etc but I think that loyalty for us has led us to relegation. Everyone got complacent and no one bar a few of us were asking questions of us. And in the last 3/4 years we’ve been really shit. Why isn’t it going to be negative? The only way for that to change is for results to change and for Jones to show that he is this bright young manager. If you think I’m anti Stoke then that’s your prerogative, the truth is I love this club more than is healthy and am desperate for things to change but just don’t see it happening. And that angers me. People happy with the same old shit, no ambition and no willingness to change from the board. What do you mean by “YOU, PEOPLE LIKE YOU “ ? Don’t you think that we love this club as much as you, hurt as much as you, want change as much as you ? I’ve got ambition and future glory in my dreams for Stoke. But I’ve also got the reality of the mess that the temporary guardians of the club have got us into, there’s no quick way back from this and money won’t buy our way back ! The thing that hurts and depresses me more than anything isn’t the football, it’s how quickly a brotherhood of fans united as one disappeared, that’s the point when this club started to decline.
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Post by prettything on Jul 28, 2019 10:30:23 GMT
We had a few chances. The highlights are now up and are obviously slightly different to the reality of the full match I watched , but it shows the very decent approach play that was on show at times.
I think we are in for a very decent season.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2019 10:31:12 GMT
That’s why I’ve said the left hand side was an abortion. It was McClean and Allen.... Pereira was doing that to Premier league defences last season.I doubt we#ll have to face anyone like him again this season. We’ll face plenty of attacking full backs. They didn’t know what they were doing in the shape they were playing. Any manager will spot that and exploit it. I don’t think Leicester got out of second gear either tbh.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2019 10:32:29 GMT
Ironically I’m one of the fuckers that saw the issues early and wanted them stopping so this wouldn’t happen. I’m not anti Stoke. The whole point of my whining that you and others fail to see is that I want us to be good, I want us to improve. I don’t want us to be in the position we are now. I see people like you as the people who have allowed this to happen with your brushing it under the carpet attitude. The club know what they’re doing attitude. I get why people are like that, showing loyalty etc but I think that loyalty for us has led us to relegation. Everyone got complacent and no one bar a few of us were asking questions of us. And in the last 3/4 years we’ve been really shit. Why isn’t it going to be negative? The only way for that to change is for results to change and for Jones to show that he is this bright young manager. If you think I’m anti Stoke then that’s your prerogative, the truth is I love this club more than is healthy and am desperate for things to change but just don’t see it happening. And that angers me. People happy with the same old shit, no ambition and no willingness to change from the board. What do you mean by “YOU, PEOPLE LIKE YOU “ ? Don’t you think that we love this club as much as you, hurt as much as you, want change as much as you ? I’ve got ambition and future glory in my dreams for Stoke. But I’ve also got the reality of the mess that the temporary guardians of the club have got us into, there’s no quick way back from this and money won’t buy our way back ! The thing that hurts and depresses me more than anything isn’t the football, it’s how quickly a brotherhood of fans united as one disappeared, that’s the point when this club started to decline. I do and I’ve said as much in the post if you cared to read it properly. I understand why people like YOU are like that.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jul 28, 2019 10:36:37 GMT
Criticism, negativity and positivity are a huge part of a Mb when it’s warranted There’s a few on here though who never offer any positivity even when a player or the team plays well, they also criticise every signing the club make despite NEVER having seen the bloke play or I’ll bet even heard of him It’s just not fucking normal Spot on! I'm not saying posts should be moderated, because thats a fine line between getting things badly wrong. But I go onto a lot of sites chatting to rival fans, and if there are posters who abuse the player's manager staff and other posters in a certain manner, or flood threads then you're banned. It's clearly laid out in the MB rules. I think the Mods on here and indeed any site have a thankless job, but I think they have to seriously start to tbink about how they manage this site now. Some of the lads I work with who are massive Stokies just won't come on here because they say its just laughable. And I'm sure there are lots of fans who think in a similar way. The Oatie will only go one way if it doesn't change imo. I would never post here if all we were allowed to do is say how wonderful everything is. That was never the point of any fanzine.
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Post by fazza90 on Jul 28, 2019 10:39:43 GMT
Very sensible OP. Something that's made this board much better for me is realising that you can hide certain members posts! It does make a difference.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jul 28, 2019 10:41:36 GMT
Bayern is right. For ages many of us could see what was happening but we kept getting called knicker-wetters, three top ten finishes, blah blah. Even Coates asked what the fuss was about.
We have been utterly, totally, embarrassingly SHITE for at least three seasons, probably more like four. That’s why there is so much negativity. But apparently it’s all the fault of those who first called out the growing issues. Grand!
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Post by danceswithclams on Jul 28, 2019 10:42:54 GMT
Very sensible OP. Something that's made this board much better for me is realising that you can hide certain members posts! It does make a difference. I've never figured out how to do that. Is it a case of blocking individual users? Not sure I've got the time to do that as I've got to go to Asda and it shuts at 4pm today.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 10:46:49 GMT
Quite reasonable bayern. I feel exactly the same. Why is it Leicester could succeed where we haven't? Piss poor management IMHO. The final straw was dropping out of the prem. At least we had that, but like yourself, I and many others could see this coming. I mentioned on another post t'other day what a boring squad this is. Not one player in it , that I would bother turning out to see. How many matches ( never mind the friendlies have we won), in the last three seasons? Until Stoke show some sign of ambition, (a word I use quite frequently on here), I will continue to whinge and moan. I will finish this post repeating what a boring looking squad this is. Mid table mediocrity beckons. Shite Stoke, pure shite! Waits for the inevitable responses, but I'm afraid nothing will change my mind at this moment in time!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 10:46:59 GMT
Agree with the OP. For me the huge difference in positivity between the Lincoln and Leicester games shows it all.
I absolutely felt a bit meh after yesterday, and the wind was taken out of my sails a bit, but on balance we actually gave a top 8 Prem side a bloody good game yesterday, despite losing our captain to injury and having our best midfielder away from the squad. Added to that we made no subs so everyone got 90 mins, and still only just lost. It wasn't brilliant, and I agree with some worries about McClean and Allen in particular, but honestly I have no clue what will happen this season. We have looked good in some pre-season games and a bit meh, but not awful in the last one. I'm very excited to see a new look team and tactic for the QPR game, a tactic that, but for our penalty curse, would've got us a draw against a top 8 premier league side, even if it was a preseason game.
There are plenty of posts on this board that take it way too far, and they tend to be repeated 55 times over 20 different threads, with the same argument going on and on forever. It's tiring, depressing, and never ends up with anything constructive. I'm very happy to discuss McClean and the worries at left back, but he is not the worst player the world has ever seen, and neither is he the Irish Roberto Carlos. Much like the EE board and some of the ridiculous, close to racist, comments on there, there is absolutely no nuance in people's minds.
See the discussions Wizards of Drivel have in their podcasts for instance. They disagree on points but the discussions are interesting because they see the other side of the coin and are willing to debate constructively rather than just repeating their statement over and over again, never moving in their thoughts.
All in all, it's been a good preseason, so if you think we're getting relegated, get a fucking grip. Go sit in the bath and have a magnum. Have some humour as people have said above, and have a bit of hope, otherwise it's just fucking boring and fucking depressing.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2019 10:50:01 GMT
Agree with the OP. For me the huge difference in positivity between the Lincoln and Leicester games shows it all. I absolutely felt a bit meh after yesterday, and the wind was taken out of my sails a bit, but on balance we actually gave a top 8 Prem side a bloody good game yesterday, despite losing our captain to injury and having our best midfielder away from the squad. Added to that we made no subs so everyone got 90 mins, and still only just lost. It wasn't brilliant, and I agree with some worries about McClean and Allen in particular, but honestly I have no clue what will happen this season. We have looked good in some pre-season games and a bit meh, but not awful in the last one. I'm very excited to see a new look team and tactic for the QPR game, a tactic that, but for our penalty curse, would've got us a draw against a top 8 premier league side, even if it was a preseason game. There are plenty of posts on this board that take it way too far, and they tend to be repeated 55 times over 20 different threads, with the same argument going on and on forever. It's tiring, depressing, and never ends up with anything constructive. I'm very happy to discuss McClean and the worries at left back, but he is not the worst player the world has ever seen, and neither is he the Irish Roberto Carlos. Much like the EE board and some of the ridiculous, close to racist, comments on there, there is absolutely no nuance in people's minds. See the discussions Wizards of Drivel have in their podcasts for instance. They disagree on points but the discussions are interesting because they see the other side of the coin and are willing to debate constructively rather than just repeating their statement over and over again, never moving in their thoughts. All in all, it's been a good preseason, so if you think we're getting relegated, get a fucking grip. Go sit in the bath and have a magnum. Have some humour as people have said above, and have a bit of hope, otherwise it's just fucking boring and fucking depressing. Who has said we’re getting relegated? People have been discussing the game fine then this OP came along and people have gone ott
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Post by onefatcopper on Jul 28, 2019 10:54:33 GMT
What do you mean by “YOU, PEOPLE LIKE YOU “ ? Don’t you think that we love this club as much as you, hurt as much as you, want change as much as you ? I’ve got ambition and future glory in my dreams for Stoke. But I’ve also got the reality of the mess that the temporary guardians of the club have got us into, there’s no quick way back from this and money won’t buy our way back ! The thing that hurts and depresses me more than anything isn’t the football, it’s how quickly a brotherhood of fans united as one disappeared, that’s the point when this club started to decline. I do and I’ve said as much in the post if you cared to read it properly. I understand why people like YOU are like that. People like me have been banging the drum about complacency for the past four years, the trouble is that this forum has members who have posted 10,000 messages and think that they are the oracles of Stoke. When a few home truths are given they band together like a bunch of settlers being attacked by the Indians. A alternative view or interpretation isn’t accepted by some who just regurgitate the same old, same old !
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2019 10:57:41 GMT
I do and I’ve said as much in the post if you cared to read it properly. I understand why people like YOU are like that. People like me have been banging the drum about complacency for the past four years, the trouble is that this forum has members who have posted 10,000 messages and think that they are the oracles of Stoke. When a few home truths are given they band together like a bunch of settlers being attacked by the Indians. A alternative view or interpretation isn’t accepted by some who just regurgitate the same old, same old ! Home truths? Please.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 10:59:04 GMT
Agree with the OP. For me the huge difference in positivity between the Lincoln and Leicester games shows it all. I absolutely felt a bit meh after yesterday, and the wind was taken out of my sails a bit, but on balance we actually gave a top 8 Prem side a bloody good game yesterday, despite losing our captain to injury and having our best midfielder away from the squad. Added to that we made no subs so everyone got 90 mins, and still only just lost. It wasn't brilliant, and I agree with some worries about McClean and Allen in particular, but honestly I have no clue what will happen this season. We have looked good in some pre-season games and a bit meh, but not awful in the last one. I'm very excited to see a new look team and tactic for the QPR game, a tactic that, but for our penalty curse, would've got us a draw against a top 8 premier league side, even if it was a preseason game. There are plenty of posts on this board that take it way too far, and they tend to be repeated 55 times over 20 different threads, with the same argument going on and on forever. It's tiring, depressing, and never ends up with anything constructive. I'm very happy to discuss McClean and the worries at left back, but he is not the worst player the world has ever seen, and neither is he the Irish Roberto Carlos. Much like the EE board and some of the ridiculous, close to racist, comments on there, there is absolutely no nuance in people's minds. See the discussions Wizards of Drivel have in their podcasts for instance. They disagree on points but the discussions are interesting because they see the other side of the coin and are willing to debate constructively rather than just repeating their statement over and over again, never moving in their thoughts. All in all, it's been a good preseason, so if you think we're getting relegated, get a fucking grip. Go sit in the bath and have a magnum. Have some humour as people have said above, and have a bit of hope, otherwise it's just fucking boring and fucking depressing. Who has said we’re getting relegated? People have been discussing the game fine then this OP came along and people have gone ott I've seen it a few times. But it's not a discussion is it. It's two or three people basically fighting and refusing to accept anything other than their same repeated thought. It isn't everyone but you genuinely can't go on this board after a loss if you want to stay sane.
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Post by zerps on Jul 28, 2019 10:59:43 GMT
Stoke in their hearts but shit for brains
It’s basically a disability
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2019 11:00:33 GMT
Who has said we’re getting relegated? People have been discussing the game fine then this OP came along and people have gone ott I've seen it a few times. But it's not a discussion is it. It's two or three people basically fighting and refusing to accept anything other than their same repeated thought. It isn't everyone but you genuinely can't go on this board after a loss if you want to stay sane. Of course you can. And why wouldn’t people be disappointed after a loss? Weird attitude.
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Post by heworksardtho on Jul 28, 2019 11:00:53 GMT
I am sincerely sick of the people on this site who most probably have Stoke in their hearts but they just have to voice constant negativity and after each game their bile distorts the reality of the game. Yesterday we played a team that has lots of premiership quality and current England international players. I was disappointed that we lost the game because we didn't deserve to. Bayern says we were "overun" down the left! Really? Another was complaining that Smith played and not Edwards! It's is fantastic that we have two great defenders. Get over it! I believe that Nathan Jones has so far done a marvellous job with the team. It was easy to see Leicester's superior quality but we never let it phase us. Our inability to clinically finish chances ruined our performance. Already our forwards look much more mobile than last year but good chances were missed especially the penalty. Too many people on this site are letting their anger distort the reality of what is going on at the club. They have formed their opinions and after each game they will bombard this site with their unrealistic comments! Isn't it about time you all do what supporters are supposed to do and get behind the team and make this site a little more enjoyable to look at. Be married to my Mrs then this site will feel like the Disney Club 😎
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Post by zerps on Jul 28, 2019 11:02:09 GMT
Good comment but the reason that Jones gets a bit of stick is that a lot of people were not convinced that an inexperienced League One manager was perhaps the best choic, and his treatment of a couple of decent players has not been top drawer. However as one of his critics I hope he tops the division and proves me wrong. We do have the club embedded in our hearts and do not always feel the same towards individual management! Aah the good old “hope he proves me wrong” bollocks How’s about giving him a chance first Exactly this, people think they’re more informed than anyone else, including professional managers, in the first place 😆 Fucking pisser.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 11:02:56 GMT
I've seen it a few times. But it's not a discussion is it. It's two or three people basically fighting and refusing to accept anything other than their same repeated thought. It isn't everyone but you genuinely can't go on this board after a loss if you want to stay sane. Of course you can. And why wouldn’t people be disappointed after a loss? Weird attitude. Because it's a pre season game with a brand new tactic that very few of the players have ever played, against the best side outside the top 6 in the PL, and we really didn't do that badly. The weird attitude is that people refuse to recognise this might take more than a pre-season of 5 weeks to get right. We won't be perfect the first day, it's going to take time. I think we're progressing well, despite a couple of issues.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 11:04:14 GMT
I do and I’ve said as much in the post if you cared to read it properly. I understand why people like YOU are like that. People like me have been banging the drum about complacency for the past four years, the trouble is that this forum has members who have posted 10,000 messages and think that they are the oracles of Stoke. When a few home truths are given they band together like a bunch of settlers being attacked by the Indians. A alternative view or interpretation isn’t accepted by some who just regurgitate the same old, same old ! Interesting use of the Settlers/Indians analogy... Some may however argue it was the Settlers attacked the Indians though? A full scale annihilation of people that didn’t agree that the “new way” was better...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2019 11:06:29 GMT
Of course you can. And why wouldn’t people be disappointed after a loss? Weird attitude. Because it's a pre season game with a brand new tactic that very few of the players have ever played, against the best side outside the top 6 in the PL, and we really didn't do that badly. The weird attitude is that people refuse to recognise this might take more than a pre-season of 5 weeks to get right. We won't be perfect the first day, it's going to take time. I think we're progressing well, despite a couple of issues. And I disagree, that’s football. I expected us to look a lot better with the ball and to look like a team. Leicester are a good side but they didn’t get out of second gear. No one was expecting perfection, you’ve made that up and that kind of thinking is where the OP comes from. This one where we have to happy and can’t discuss faults. I honestly didn’t see anything different to last year yesterday and I was expecting to.
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Post by fazza90 on Jul 28, 2019 11:07:25 GMT
Very sensible OP. Something that's made this board much better for me is realising that you can hide certain members posts! It does make a difference. I've never figured out how to do that. Is it a case of blocking individual users? Not sure I've got the time to do that as I've got to go to Asda and it shuts at 4pm today. Really easy - click on the name of whoever you want to block. Then on the right next to "send message" there's a settings button, click on that & then block & make sure "hide members posts" is ticked. Easy-peasy & makes it viewing the Oatcake much better! Enjoy
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2019 11:07:37 GMT
People like me have been banging the drum about complacency for the past four years, the trouble is that this forum has members who have posted 10,000 messages and think that they are the oracles of Stoke. When a few home truths are given they band together like a bunch of settlers being attacked by the Indians. A alternative view or interpretation isn’t accepted by some who just regurgitate the same old, same old ! Interesting use of the Settlers/Indians analogy... Some may however argue it was the Settlers attacked the Indians though? A full scale annihilation of people that didn’t agree that the “new way” was better... Excellent point. And thats exactly what goes on, on here.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Jul 28, 2019 11:12:23 GMT
Think of what you could do with the spare time instead. The point is it’s not just a debating forum is it, for me it’s primarily a news site. Where else would you go on a daily basis to find out about all the trivia and goings-on at the club. Where else would you initially find out about and ultimately despise Cartwright for example? As I said the only thing that ruins this board is some of the arseholes that drag it down into the gutter.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 11:15:52 GMT
Because it's a pre season game with a brand new tactic that very few of the players have ever played, against the best side outside the top 6 in the PL, and we really didn't do that badly. The weird attitude is that people refuse to recognise this might take more than a pre-season of 5 weeks to get right. We won't be perfect the first day, it's going to take time. I think we're progressing well, despite a couple of issues. And I disagree, that’s football. I expected us to look a lot better with the ball and to look like a team. Leicester are a good side but they didn’t get out of second gear. No one was expecting perfection, you’ve made that up and that kind of thinking is where the OP comes from. This one where we have to happy and can’t discuss faults. I honestly didn’t see anything different to last year yesterday and I was expecting to. People are discussing faults yes, which is fine, but then taking it way too far. e.g. McClean was at fault with his positioning for the goals, but not even an ounce of thought that maybe he will grow into the new position and needs time to get used to it. I think we looked far better than last year to be honest. We played some lovely football, albeit only in parts.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 11:15:52 GMT
The point is it’s not just a debating forum is it, for me it’s primarily a news site. Where else would you go on a daily basis to find out about all the trivia and goings-on at the club. Where else would you initially find out about and ultimately despise Cartwright for example? As I said the only thing that ruins this board is some of the arseholes that drag it down into the gutter. Google “ Stoke City News Now” if you want a news site 👍
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Jul 28, 2019 11:17:26 GMT
Bayern is right. For ages many of us could see what was happening but we kept getting called knicker-wetters, three top ten finishes, blah blah. Even Coates asked what the fuss was about. We have been utterly, totally, embarrassingly SHITE for at least three seasons, probably more like four. That’s why there is so much negativity. But apparently it’s all the fault of those who first called out the growing issues. Grand! ok fine no issue with that. Start a thread on said issue. It doesn't need to be dragged into every new thread, that is the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 11:19:02 GMT
I am sincerely sick of the people on this site who most probably have Stoke in their hearts but they just have to voice constant negativity and after each game their bile distorts the reality of the game. Yesterday we played a team that has lots of premiership quality and current England international players. I was disappointed that we lost the game because we didn't deserve to. Bayern says we were "overun" down the left! Really? Another was complaining that Smith played and not Edwards! It's is fantastic that we have two great defenders. Get over it! I believe that Nathan Jones has so far done a marvellous job with the team. It was easy to see Leicester's superior quality but we never let it phase us. Our inability to clinically finish chances ruined our performance. Already our forwards look much more mobile than last year but good chances were missed especially the penalty. Too many people on this site are letting their anger distort the reality of what is going on at the club. They have formed their opinions and after each game they will bombard this site with their unrealistic comments! Isn't it about time you all do what supporters are supposed to do and get behind the team and make this site a little more enjoyable to look at. Define "marvellous job"...from a pure statistical point of view he has succeeded in winning 3 out of 20+ games in the job. That just happens to be inherently negative.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2019 11:19:52 GMT
And I disagree, that’s football. I expected us to look a lot better with the ball and to look like a team. Leicester are a good side but they didn’t get out of second gear. No one was expecting perfection, you’ve made that up and that kind of thinking is where the OP comes from. This one where we have to happy and can’t discuss faults. I honestly didn’t see anything different to last year yesterday and I was expecting to. People are discussing faults yes, which is fine, but then taking it way too far. e.g. McClean was at fault with his positioning for the goals, but not even an ounce of thought that maybe he will grow into the new position and needs time to get used to it. I think we looked far better than last year to be honest. We played some lovely football, albeit only in parts. Because it is standard James McClean. Brainless play from a bloke who showed last season that he didn’t have a defensive part in his body! Expecting to that change is the bit I find difficult.
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