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Post by Jimm on Nov 21, 2019 22:13:44 GMT
It looks more likely he's come back for the international break and SLP have jumped the gun again trying for another "exclusive"
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Post by lordb on Nov 21, 2019 22:19:11 GMT
Or maybe we could give a promising young player a chance. New coach new start. Apart from him being absolutely useless this sounds like a good idea He's not absolutely useless He's good on the ball and crosses really well Just don't think he's a left back
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 22:21:32 GMT
Or maybe we could give a promising young player a chance. New coach new start. He has had more than one chance though fella Yes if 43 mins is a chance, he did have one, and one only, under Jones. He had some more under Hughes, but I felt he was more being set up for failure really. He wasn't eased into the team but was thrown into the deep end at Chelsea, for instance with several other inexperienced or indisposed players like Berahino. He didn't even have Shawcross to guide him along and he didn't get any defensive coaching from the manager.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 22:34:02 GMT
So, apart from the current shit storm of other things going wrong at Stoke City, what is it at Stoke City club that seemingly drives young talented players to go out like this ? out on loan and coached by others rather than, try for a place whilst being coached at Clayton Wood ? This is not the first player that's arrived at our club with prospects and covetted by other clubs we have seemingly turned sour. Reading just now what he's said, I dont think its the player nor his attitude that is problematic he is not the first - not the last either ( Verlinden ?) can anyone explain this ? - yet another shit show ? another sign our club has been if not still, definitely off the rails ? Our last four managers have all said the right things about intending to play academy players in the first team, but not many of them have. Jones certainly made the right noises, but he'll never be forgiven for sending our best young player away from the club. I think Rowett and Hughes (and Pulis) just didn't like having the trouble of grooming players (yes I know it now has another meaning in football sadly), much like Mourinho, at all his clubs, and Lambert and Jones were so scared of the sack that they felt they couldn't afford to let the kids make mistakes. But yes I feel we have wasted a fair number of opportunities for bringing them in, in addition to those already named, there's N'Goy and Sorensen, in theory still on our books, but nowhere near the team.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Nov 21, 2019 22:52:00 GMT
Apart from him being absolutely useless this sounds like a good idea He's not absolutely useless He's good on the ball and crosses really well Just don't think he's a left back I have to say every time he's played for Stoke he's been fucking worse than useless, I'd go as far as saying that McClean has been a far better LB than Tymon, granted he's only ever played LB for us but that's all we have to judge him on. He came here as a LB and learned his trade there so are you suggesting he's better deployed somewhere else? If so what evidence do you have to assume he'd be any better in another position? Unless he's been transformed in Portugal to an half decent LB I can't see any value in bringing him back. Gouranga.
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Post by kustokie on Nov 22, 2019 2:26:14 GMT
I hope the experience was invaluable to him and he's ready but I have serious reservations to whether he can compete at this level as things stand. We desperatley need a left back and would it be any worse than Ward? If he can cope he will only get better playing at this level. Sounds like he had a lot of experience picking up arse-splinters.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Nov 22, 2019 3:35:20 GMT
He's rubbish and may as well stay in Portugal.
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Post by lordb on Nov 22, 2019 6:58:54 GMT
He's not absolutely useless He's good on the ball and crosses really well Just don't think he's a left back I have to say every time he's played for Stoke he's been fucking worse than useless, I'd go as far as saying that McClean has been a far better LB than Tymon, granted he's only ever played LB for us but that's all we have to judge him on. He came here as a LB and learned his trade there so are you suggesting he's better deployed somewhere else? If so what evidence do you have to assume he'd be any better in another position? Unless he's been transformed in Portugal to an half decent LB I can't see any value in bringing him back. Gouranga. He's played left midfield for U23's and looked much better
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Post by nott1 on Nov 22, 2019 7:08:55 GMT
He has had more than one chance though fella Yes if 43 mins is a chance, he did have one, and one only, under Jones. He had some more under Hughes, but I felt he was more being set up for failure really. He wasn't eased into the team but was thrown into the deep end at Chelsea, for instance with several other inexperienced or indisposed players like Berahino. He didn't even have Shawcross to guide him along and he didn't get any defensive coaching from the manager. Would have been a waste of time playing for Jones judgement as he wouldn't have a clue what he was looking for anyway. Would not know a footballer if he bumped into one!
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Post by Danstoke82 on Nov 22, 2019 8:29:42 GMT
Im all for it.
Could be like having a new player at LB following his somewhat successful spell in Portugal and lets face it, we are hardly blessed with a plethora of Left Back options currently.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2019 8:53:51 GMT
Im all for it. Could be like having a new player at LB following his somewhat successful spell in Portugal and lets face it, we are hardly blessed with a plethora of Left Back options currently. He can't play currently though and by the time it becomes currently we should* have a new left back. *Let me dream and hope please
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Post by bhp on Nov 22, 2019 8:56:42 GMT
Can't believe people instantly putting a line under a 20 year old after less than 5 first team appearances.
I do have eyes but I don't think he played that bad Vs Preston. Looked nervous and hesitant initially but came into it. Many more poor performances that day than his. Scraping the barrel perhaps. He would have a less demanding role as lb in a 433 than in the diamond.
Wish him all the best
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 9:19:18 GMT
I hope he doesn't read this message board
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Post by nottsover60 on Nov 22, 2019 9:36:22 GMT
I appreciate that living and playing in another country is difficult for a player, especially perhaps a young player with issues of home sickness etc (although I have to say my daughter spent a couple of years in Germany at the same age which were probably the best of her life and she went with no support network or friends but embraced the experience and succeeded at her job). Taking the fact that initially reports were that he was doing well, and no one can say he hasn't been given the chance over there it is slightly concerning that people expect him to be our left back solution when he can't even make the match day squad in Portugal now.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Nov 22, 2019 9:36:59 GMT
I hope he doesn't read this message board I do. It may make him realise he's not a footballer and change career. I'm sure the money he'll earn from his current contract won't leave him short in the meantime.
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 22, 2019 9:37:08 GMT
I totally agree with the last 2 posts. (bar 2)
Tymon was a very talented youngster who made great progress at Hull.
He came to Stoke to a succession of managers who turned out to be failures and clearly lost his way. Knowing what we know now about how things were in the dressing room under Hughes and the post Hughes events with Berahino, Imbula, and a list of other rotten players, is it any wonder his career has gone wrong.
Jones sent him away to Spain as he did with Campbell to give him a different environment to recover form and develop himself. Hopefully that will prove inspired, but why so called fans want to write him off at such a young age shows their is something wrong with their support, not just the player.
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Post by rawli on Nov 22, 2019 9:37:57 GMT
Steve Bould would have been fucked off before he started by the experts on here.
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Post by chigstoke on Nov 22, 2019 9:38:18 GMT
Wonder if MON sees him as a left winger after his spell in Portugal?
In that case, assuming Verlinden does get recalled after being pulled out of Bolton's FA Cup squad to avoid being cup tied, we could be having McClean, Verlinden and Tymon all vying for the LW role. Not a bad thing is it in all honesty?
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Post by werrington on Nov 22, 2019 9:46:33 GMT
Steve Bould would have been fucked off before he started by the experts on here. So would Shawcross after his display at Bolton He was dropped after it and it was rumoured Derby and Ipswich were after him on loan and this place was adamant about him not being up to standard and it would do him good He came back v Tottenham in the September and the rest is history Idiots
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Post by Goonie on Nov 22, 2019 10:03:45 GMT
Steve Bould would have been fucked off before he started by the experts on here.
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Post by jarhead on Nov 22, 2019 10:06:39 GMT
Never learn on here.
He needs a serious chance and we need a young confident Left-back!
We might aswell try him and O Neil might be the Boss he’s been waiting for.
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Post by neilb987 on Nov 22, 2019 10:09:53 GMT
Has plenty of pace, good going forward, can put in a good cross .... but from what I've seen of him dodgy at actually defending. Positional sense and tacking both in need of serious improvement. Maybe, just maybe, a good defensive coach could make a very decent player out of him.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Nov 22, 2019 10:23:33 GMT
Steve Bould would have been fucked off before he started by the experts on here. To be fair, he wasn't great as a full back and made his name as a centre back. Tymon could well come good at left back or become a left sided midfielder.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Nov 22, 2019 10:24:14 GMT
I hope he doesn't read this message board I do. It may make him realise he's not a footballer and change career. I'm sure the money he'll earn from his current contract won't leave him short in the meantime. You're all heart Hackett!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2019 10:53:01 GMT
Steve Bould would have been fucked off before he started by the experts on here. So would Shawcross after his display at Bolton He was dropped after it and it was rumoured Derby and Ipswich were after him on loan and this place was adamant about him not being up to standard and it would do him good He came back v Tottenham in the September and the rest is history Idiots Shawcross' one display vs every first team game Tymon has played for us and him looking like one of the worst in the u23s playing alongside his peers. It's not really comparable. Tre Pemberton is better.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Nov 22, 2019 11:05:21 GMT
Isn't Pemberton more of a winger, Bayern?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2019 11:07:54 GMT
Isn't Pemberton more of a winger, Bayern? Started there and then moved to full back where he's played well on either side, mainly the right though. Tymon hasn't. He's a good footballer though but I just don't think he can defend. I'd gladly see him used on the wing.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 11:22:48 GMT
Wonder if MON sees him as a left winger after his spell in Portugal? In that case, assuming Verlinden does get recalled after being pulled out of Bolton's FA Cup squad to avoid being cup tied, we could be having McClean, Verlinden and Tymon all vying for the LW role. Not a bad thing is it in all honesty? LW is Thibo's other position. He's primarily a right winger, so it's Ince's position that he may be vying for.
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Post by cheadlestokie on Nov 22, 2019 11:30:39 GMT
Isn't Pemberton more of a winger, Bayern? Started there and then moved to full back where he's played well on either side, mainly the right though. Tymon hasn't. He's a good footballer though but I just don't think he can defend. I'd gladly see him used on the wing. I tend to agree with you as he does appear to need a lot of work defensively so much so he may never make it at left back. From what I have seen so far, and it is not too much, he does seem to be good on the ball and has a bit of pace, Moving him forward is not similar to trying to change someone who has no natural ability, ala our 100% trier but no natural ability,James Maclean.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2019 11:33:51 GMT
Started there and then moved to full back where he's played well on either side, mainly the right though. Tymon hasn't. He's a good footballer though but I just don't think he can defend. I'd gladly see him used on the wing. I tend to agree with you as he does appear to need a lot of work defensively so much so he may never make it at left back. From what I have seen so far, and it is not too much, he does seem to be good on the ball and has a bit of pace, Moving him forward is not similar to trying to change someone who has no natural ability, ala our 100% trier but no natural ability,James Maclean. He's definitely a good footballer and I think that can be worked with. And definitely, he can do most of what a winger does already, it's just about teaching him to do it from that more advanced role. Whereas I think defending is a lot harder and you need more of a brain or that natural intuition to read the game.
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