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Post by mrcoke on Oct 10, 2019 22:35:09 GMT
His club are doing extremely well in the Portuguese league: www.soccerstats.com/team.asp?league=portugal&stats=u338-famalicãoHe was an outstanding youngster playing for Hull <18s at 15 and went on to make his premier league debut at 17 and play for England <17s and <20s. He seemed to lose his way when he came to Stoke, but maybe he has got his career back on track in Portugal. He's not 21 till next May and contracted to Stoke till 2022.
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Post by chigstoke on Oct 10, 2019 23:13:17 GMT
If he's here till 2022 and keeps up his current form on loan then at a minimum he is worth a good look at in pre season. Assuming Jones is still here, he'd be a good fit for the LWB role. Needs to improve defensively but hopefully he's getting better at that as this season progresses.
I think as Bayern said, inside he's good technically. Needs to now start realising any potential he has.
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Post by dreamtheater on Oct 11, 2019 14:46:06 GMT
Strange - I've just read a recent article where, he explains that he Still wants to play for Stoke City in the longer term - he remains fully committed to prove himself at / to Stoke City. Seemingly, his season long loan to a Portugese club only recently promoted is likely because his former coach at Hull City who, brought him on there is is coaching this lad again. So, apart from the current shit storm of other things going wrong at Stoke City, what is it at Stoke City club that seemingly drives young talented players to go out like this ? out on loan and coached by others rather than, try for a place whilst being coached at Clayton Wood ? This is not the first player that's arrived at our club with prospects and covetted by other clubs we have seemingly turned sour. Reading just now what he's said, I dont think its the player nor his attitude that is problematic he is not the first - not the last either ( Verlinden ?) can anyone explain this ? - yet another shit show ? another sign our club has been if not still, definitely off the rails ? PS this lad is a left back by the way too ------ go figure !
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Post by RF10 on Oct 12, 2019 7:25:47 GMT
Is the lad really a left back though? His ability to defend when he's played for Stoke was like Bale when he played there for Spurs and Tom Soares tore him a new one.
It appears he's got ability and hope he makes a good career for himself.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 12, 2019 7:31:04 GMT
Started the first 4 games in Portugal for his new club but has now been benched for 3 matches.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Oct 12, 2019 8:06:30 GMT
Strange - I've just read a recent article where, he explains that he Still wants to play for Stoke City in the longer term - he remains fully committed to prove himself at / to Stoke City. Seemingly, his season long loan to a Portugese club only recently promoted is likely because his former coach at Hull City who, brought him on there is is coaching this lad again. So, apart from the current shit storm of other things going wrong at Stoke City, what is it at Stoke City club that seemingly drives young talented players to go out like this ? out on loan and coached by others rather than, try for a place whilst being coached at Clayton Wood ? This is not the first player that's arrived at our club with prospects and covetted by other clubs we have seemingly turned sour. Reading just now what he's said, I dont think its the player nor his attitude that is problematic he is not the first - not the last either ( Verlinden ?) can anyone explain this ? - yet another shit show ? another sign our club has been if not still, definitely off the rails ? PS this lad is a left back by the way too ------ go figure ! You would think the guy was Ashley Cole in his pomp, he was shit when he played for Stoke, nobody cared he went out on loan. He is also warming the bench there now. Who are these youngsters you speak of? Verlinden & tymon? Who else? The Verlinden that did jack shit on loan previously but has a couple of good games a division below and is now regarded as Lionel Messi? That Verlinden? Just another poor effort at bashing the club. The way you go on you would think no other club apart from scfc sends young players out on loan for development
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Post by berahinosgoals on Oct 12, 2019 8:38:01 GMT
One day the club might pull the plug on spending and we will have a full team of lads still wet behind the ears. The ranting then will be about scfc not spending money and having no ambition. If we we developed players in league games that arn't ready and might never make the grade people would moan like fuck.
What do people aspire to be, the next crewe alex? A lower league club that survives by developing young players until the vultures circle and pinch them for peanuts?... on sale freeing up a space in the team to be filled by another we can use our season for.. developing players for another club.
You have a Small club mentality. If they are good enough they play, if they arn't they are developed elsewhere
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Oct 12, 2019 10:29:50 GMT
Strange - I've just read a recent article where, he explains that he Still wants to play for Stoke City in the longer term - he remains fully committed to prove himself at / to Stoke City. Seemingly, his season long loan to a Portugese club only recently promoted is likely because his former coach at Hull City who, brought him on there is is coaching this lad again. So, apart from the current shit storm of other things going wrong at Stoke City, what is it at Stoke City club that seemingly drives young talented players to go out like this ? out on loan and coached by others rather than, try for a place whilst being coached at Clayton Wood ? This is not the first player that's arrived at our club with prospects and covetted by other clubs we have seemingly turned sour. Reading just now what he's said, I dont think its the player nor his attitude that is problematic he is not the first - not the last either ( Verlinden ?) can anyone explain this ? - yet another shit show ? another sign our club has been if not still, definitely off the rails ? PS this lad is a left back by the way too ------ go figure ! You would think the guy was Ashley Cole in his pomp, he was shit when he played for Stoke, nobody cared he went out on loan. He is also warming the bench there now. Who are these youngsters you speak of? Verlinden & tymon? Who else? The Verlinden that did jack shit on loan previously but has a couple of good games a division below and is now regarded as Lionel Messi? That Verlinden? Just another poor effort at bashing the club. The way you go on you would think no other club apart from scfc sends young players out on loan for development To be fair, I think you are rather missing the point of the questions ( and they are questions more than assertions) posed by dreamtheatre. If indeed he was "shit" ( a technical coaching term ?) when he played for us, that itself raises the question of why that is so, given that he was rated as a good prospect at Hull and started some PL games. If on the other hand we thought he was "shit" at Hull, why did we sign him ? I don't know whether or not it is true that Verlinden did " jack shit" (another technical term ) on loan previously. But I think many Stoke supporters would agree with me that in some of the games he played for us last season and in this pre-season he looked dangerous and promising. With respect it is a bit silly to claim that anyone is likening them to Cole in his prime or Messi, but it is surely reasonable to ask some questions, given that we are bottom of the league we are in, so it's not as though our first choice squad is tearing up many trees.
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Post by Absolution on Oct 12, 2019 12:11:12 GMT
Strange - I've just read a recent article where, he explains that he Still wants to play for Stoke City in the longer term - he remains fully committed to prove himself at / to Stoke City. Seemingly, his season long loan to a Portugese club only recently promoted is likely because his former coach at Hull City who, brought him on there is is coaching this lad again. So, apart from the current shit storm of other things going wrong at Stoke City, what is it at Stoke City club that seemingly drives young talented players to go out like this ? out on loan and coached by others rather than, try for a place whilst being coached at Clayton Wood ? This is not the first player that's arrived at our club with prospects and covetted by other clubs we have seemingly turned sour. Reading just now what he's said, I dont think its the player nor his attitude that is problematic he is not the first - not the last either ( Verlinden ?) can anyone explain this ? - yet another shit show ? another sign our club has been if not still, definitely off the rails ? PS this lad is a left back by the way too ------ go figure ! I've made similar comments. When Mark Hughes was here, we hoovered up a good number of youngsters who were viewed as some of the finest young talents in Europe. They generally left with their careers in tatters. Not all talented kids make it, but this looks almost like sheer negligence to me.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Oct 12, 2019 17:28:42 GMT
You would think the guy was Ashley Cole in his pomp, he was shit when he played for Stoke, nobody cared he went out on loan. He is also warming the bench there now. Who are these youngsters you speak of? Verlinden & tymon? Who else? The Verlinden that did jack shit on loan previously but has a couple of good games a division below and is now regarded as Lionel Messi? That Verlinden? Just another poor effort at bashing the club. The way you go on you would think no other club apart from scfc sends young players out on loan for development To be fair, I think you are rather missing the point of the questions ( and they are questions more than assertions) posed by dreamtheatre. If indeed he was "shit" ( a technical coaching term ?) when he played for us, that itself raises the question of why that is so, given that he was rated as a good prospect at Hull and started some PL games. If on the other hand we thought he was "shit" at Hull, why did we sign him ? I don't know whether or not it is true that Verlinden did " jack shit" (another technical term ) on loan previously. But I think many Stoke supporters would agree with me that in some of the games he played for us last season and in this pre-season he looked dangerous and promising. With respect it is a bit silly to claim that anyone is likening them to Cole in his prime or Messi, but it is surely reasonable to ask some questions, given that we are bottom of the league we are in, so it's not as though our first choice squad is tearing up many trees. Both technical terms describe both perfectly.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Oct 12, 2019 19:09:52 GMT
To be fair, I think you are rather missing the point of the questions ( and they are questions more than assertions) posed by dreamtheatre. If indeed he was "shit" ( a technical coaching term ?) when he played for us, that itself raises the question of why that is so, given that he was rated as a good prospect at Hull and started some PL games. If on the other hand we thought he was "shit" at Hull, why did we sign him ? I don't know whether or not it is true that Verlinden did " jack shit" (another technical term ) on loan previously. But I think many Stoke supporters would agree with me that in some of the games he played for us last season and in this pre-season he looked dangerous and promising. With respect it is a bit silly to claim that anyone is likening them to Cole in his prime or Messi, but it is surely reasonable to ask some questions, given that we are bottom of the league we are in, so it's not as though our first choice squad is tearing up many trees. Both technical terms describe both perfectly. Ok, that's your opinion (but you haven't actually commented on any of the questions posed or points made by dreamtheatre or myself).
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Post by Godo on Oct 13, 2019 8:30:10 GMT
Normally you'd have to be pragmatic and say the manager sees the players day in day out and so will pick the best players. However that relies on an element of trust in those running things at the club......and it's now 4 seasons since I've trusted anyone at our club to be doing their job properly.
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Post by Jimm on Nov 21, 2019 18:53:40 GMT
Stoke Loud and proud recon he's back and training with the first team
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Nov 21, 2019 18:57:17 GMT
Stoke Loud and proud recon he's back and training with the first team Probably still in Portugal then.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 21, 2019 19:01:18 GMT
Stoke Loud and proud recon he's back and training with the first team Very odd if true. He looked nowhere near good enough before he left. Dropped and then sent back to us? Doesn’t look good. We need way better than him.
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 21, 2019 19:04:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 19:08:51 GMT
Still only 20, really young.
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Post by benno241273 on Nov 21, 2019 19:15:29 GMT
Stoke Loud and proud recon he's back and training with the first team Very odd if true. He looked nowhere near good enough before he left. Dropped and then sent back to us? Doesn’t look good. We need way better than him.
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Post by benno241273 on Nov 21, 2019 19:16:13 GMT
Or maybe we could give a promising young player a chance. New coach new start.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Nov 21, 2019 19:38:37 GMT
Or maybe we could give a promising young player a chance. New coach new start. Apart from him being absolutely useless this sounds like a good idea
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Post by RF10 on Nov 21, 2019 19:38:52 GMT
I hope the experience was invaluable to him and he's ready but I have serious reservations to whether he can compete at this level as things stand. We desperatley need a left back and would it be any worse than Ward? If he can cope he will only get better playing at this level.
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Post by LankyPotter on Nov 21, 2019 19:51:00 GMT
Or maybe we could give a promising young player a chance. New coach new start. He has had more than one chance though fella
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Nov 21, 2019 19:52:47 GMT
Love a good whinge and a write off do some of our fans.
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Post by baystokie on Nov 21, 2019 20:12:34 GMT
We have no idea of the reasons he's back. Maybe we had a recall clause; maybe a clause that if he did not play 'x' games, he came back - who knows? Apparently, a number of folk on here are privy to the Tymon arrangement from the sounds of it!
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Post by shrewspotter on Nov 21, 2019 21:07:50 GMT
What do Tymon , Ward, Edwards, Pieters, Bauer and Smith all have in common?? Answer is they were all pretty poor under Jones
The reason is that for Jones’ diamond formation it left the full backs isolated and vulnerable to attack, plus they were supposed to get up and down to help the attack and it never worked
With a new manager, clear thinking and a formation the players are comfortable with I think Tymon will do well
I’ll fetch my tin hat
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 21, 2019 21:10:12 GMT
At least he has decent pace! If he could learn to defend as well he'd come good!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 21, 2019 21:48:50 GMT
He definitely can’t play until January. So it would be odd if we have recalled him.
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 21, 2019 21:57:17 GMT
He definitely can’t play until January. So it would be odd if we have recalled him. Suppose it's possible he's back home for a few days during international break? Decidedly odd if he's been allowed to cut short his loan 6 weeks before he's even allowed to take the field for us, even if he is only the back-up left-back there. He'd have to be very homesick
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Post by royalewithcheese on Nov 21, 2019 22:04:26 GMT
He definitely can’t play until January. So it would be odd if we have recalled him. Suppose it's possible he's back home for a few days during international break? Decidedly odd if he's been allowed to cut short his loan 6 weeks before he's even allowed to take the field for us, even if he is only the back-up left-back there. He'd have to be very homesick Or they've just realised he's garbage.
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Post by Onneravineet on Nov 21, 2019 22:11:01 GMT
Or MON has requested him back in time to have a good look at him ahead of the January Window. Perhaps to see whether he needs to swell the LARGE squad, he has already stated is too big, further or use one of his assets.
Seems good solid management to me.
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