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Post by crapslinger on Feb 3, 2020 21:21:42 GMT
Indi is not never has and never will be a LB, MON has brought Tymon back to play him at LB it will cost us in the long run. So why has Indi been starting every game over Tymon when available? Ermmm maybe because he is an actual footballer, even out of his natural position he is better than Tymon who is playing in his proper position ! hope that helps.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 6:39:08 GMT
So why has Indi been starting every game over Tymon when available? Ermmm maybe because he is an actual footballer, even out of his natural position he is better than Tymon who is playing in his proper position ! hope that helps. Done pretty well with BMI at fullback- look at our recent record. He is a miles better option than Tymon
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Post by moneymadness11 on Feb 4, 2020 8:08:27 GMT
Ermmm maybe because he is an actual footballer, even out of his natural position he is better than Tymon who is playing in his proper position ! hope that helps. Done pretty well with BMI at fullback- look at our recent record. He is a miles better option than Tymon I believe tymons natural position is centre midfield. He gets shoved to left back because he's left footed. I find it barbaric the fans on here call him like there do. He's had a handful of games and not a run of them at that, the boy is 20 year old for christ sake. But fans are entitled to their opinion, but as supporters ain't you meant to SUPPORT your players.
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Post by liathroid on Feb 4, 2020 8:22:54 GMT
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Post by rednwhiteblood on Feb 4, 2020 8:37:56 GMT
Were in the fight of our lives mate, at the moment he is not close to being good enough, so until we are more comfortable which wont be this season then I really hope he doesmt get picked. Hes young yeah and has time to develop, but while we are in a mess i dont think he should get on
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 4, 2020 9:00:06 GMT
Stoke lose 4 - 0 and Tymon is getting all the brikbats on this MB and other parts of the media. OK he was very raw thrown in at the last minute. OK he was over zealous in some of his tackles. OK MON had to sub him before he got another yellow and sent off. But there is no way he was at fault for out defeat, nor was he responsible for any of the goals, unless you want to blame him for the third, because he was pulled off and there wasn't effectively a proper LB. He's had very little competitive football and people should cut him some slack. As a 20 year old he has his career ahead of him. Supporters should be patient and support him as though he were their son. Some supporters are supporting him (and our other academy players) as if they were their son - and that's a problem. It's exactly what Kevin Campbell is doing and he (rightly) gets criticised for it. Why is it ok for supporters to do the same? I actually thought Tymon did ok and was only at fault for the third goal - and you could argue he took one for the team and we got unlucky because Derby happened to have one of the best free kick takers England have ever had on their books. However we didn't look as solid as a defensive unit and I'd have BMI back the next game if he's ok. I'd love to see some of our youngsters come through but it has to be on merit - not as a matter of policy or to satisfy the yearnings of a bunch of dewy eyed surrogate fathers mouthing "that's my boy" from the sidelines. I can't disagree with any of that. My point is some people are being hypercritical of Tymon and not giving him any leeway. I've just read a post on the BMI thread that MON has to make up with BMI because going with Tymon would be a "disaster". Other youngsters have had similar treatment on this MB; it's almost as though some don't want us to develop our own players. I wonder how good they were at their jobs at 20? We are never going to get young players growing in the side if they are pilloried for every mistake/poor game while learning their craft. Young Tymon was getting stuck in Friday night and trying very hard, while others were "stood around" letting Derby make mince meat of us.
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Post by lifelong on Feb 4, 2020 10:29:41 GMT
I don't get this "at fault for the third goal". He wasn't, its not a foul or the foul was on him. You can see it on the hi-lites below at 2 mins. Also for the second goal, where was our right back cover FFS, but nobody gets on his back. Tymon had a good game and played with some passion. Most of the time our players are too nice. Their second goal could have been stopped on the half way line when we lost possession even if it resulted in a yellow card.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 4, 2020 10:41:01 GMT
1. I agree but he's been played far more games. 2. Brunt can play left back but is not a left back suggesting he was back up. 3. Because it is the only game he's played for O'Neill. 4. He wasn't the only one out of his depth in Jones formation. 1) Why do you think that might be? Left back has been there for the taking for years and he's not come close under a succession of managers. We keep being told 'he's the one who sees them every day in training', is that not the case here too? 2) Bruno isn't a left back either. He's getting in the team ahead of him... 3) But you've been talking about him playing in Portugal? Either everything that happened before Friday counts or nothing does? 4) He was out of his depth in pretty much every Stoke game he played bar maybe his debut against Rochdale. He has made a total of 5 starts for Stoke 3 of which were in the relegation season against Chelsea, Man Utd and West Ham, one last year and the FA Cup debacle against Shrewsbury and finally 12 months later a last minute call up v Derby on Friday. I wouldn't even expect to see the finished article if those matches had been consecutive. To put it into perspective he was 18 when he played in the Premiership and back up to Pieters who was still at the club. Rowett didn't trust young players and didn't play any I don't think and there was obviously bad blood between Tymon and Jones. Do you honestly think we have seen enough to judge him and for him to be given the vitriol he has received on here and in the Sentinel? I would argue that Preston (35 minutes) and Friday are the only 2 matches you can judge him on. Preston he was not good enough and whether through injury or performance deserved to come off. However he was not the only defender to look rubbish in Jones's system and if we discarded all the defenders who looked rubbish in the diamond we would have none left. So yes I think I am justified in only looking at Friday's performance. As for picking BMI ahead of him at left back I suspect O'Neill chose to do that for his added height and experience rather than ability. I suspect that Tymon came back to the club with some trepidation after what had gone before.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 4, 2020 11:15:17 GMT
1) Why do you think that might be? Left back has been there for the taking for years and he's not come close under a succession of managers. We keep being told 'he's the one who sees them every day in training', is that not the case here too? 2) Bruno isn't a left back either. He's getting in the team ahead of him... 3) But you've been talking about him playing in Portugal? Either everything that happened before Friday counts or nothing does? 4) He was out of his depth in pretty much every Stoke game he played bar maybe his debut against Rochdale. He has made a total of 5 starts for Stoke 3 of which were in the relegation season against Chelsea, Man Utd and West Ham, one last year and the FA Cup debacle against Shrewsbury and finally 12 months later a last minute call up v Derby on Friday. I wouldn't even expect to see the finished article if those matches had been consecutive. To put it into perspective he was 18 when he played in the Premiership and back up to Pieters who was still at the club. Rowett didn't trust young players and didn't play any I don't think and there was obviously bad blood between Tymon and Jones. Do you honestly think we have seen enough to judge him and for him to be given the vitriol he has received on here and in the Sentinel? I would argue that Preston (35 minutes) and Friday are the only 2 matches you can judge him on. Preston he was not good enough and whether through injury or performance deserved to come off. However he was not the only defender to look rubbish in Jones's system and if we discarded all the defenders who looked rubbish in the diamond we would have none left. So yes I think I am justified in only looking at Friday's performance. As for picking BMI ahead of him at left back I suspect O'Neill chose to do that for his added height and experience rather than ability. I suspect that Tymon came back to the club with some trepidation after what had gone before. I don't think the vitriol is called for, no. I also don't see why he's 'worth a run of games' - players who are going to make it tend to show at least something positive at some point in their limited early showings. In a Stoke shirt, he has shown nothing beyond generally looking miles out of his depth. We're at the Brek Shea level argument now - 'he hasn't had a chance'. Despite him being pretty bad whenever he has and various managers at various clubs not seeing anything in him to sufficiently trust him. Again, left back has been there for the taking for years, he surely, if he was in the mix, would've had at least the opportunities that Edwards has had?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 11:15:30 GMT
1) Why do you think that might be? Left back has been there for the taking for years and he's not come close under a succession of managers. We keep being told 'he's the one who sees them every day in training', is that not the case here too? 2) Bruno isn't a left back either. He's getting in the team ahead of him... 3) But you've been talking about him playing in Portugal? Either everything that happened before Friday counts or nothing does? 4) He was out of his depth in pretty much every Stoke game he played bar maybe his debut against Rochdale. He has made a total of 5 starts for Stoke 3 of which were in the relegation season against Chelsea, Man Utd and West Ham, one last year and the FA Cup debacle against Shrewsbury and finally 12 months later a last minute call up v Derby on Friday. I wouldn't even expect to see the finished article if those matches had been consecutive. To put it into perspective he was 18 when he played in the Premiership and back up to Pieters who was still at the club. Rowett didn't trust young players and didn't play any I don't think and there was obviously bad blood between Tymon and Jones. Do you honestly think we have seen enough to judge him and for him to be given the vitriol he has received on here and in the Sentinel? I would argue that Preston (35 minutes) and Friday are the only 2 matches you can judge him on. Preston he was not good enough and whether through injury or performance deserved to come off. However he was not the only defender to look rubbish in Jones's system and if we discarded all the defenders who looked rubbish in the diamond we would have none left. So yes I think I am justified in only looking at Friday's performance. As for picking BMI ahead of him at left back I suspect O'Neill chose to do that for his added height and experience rather than ability. I suspect that Tymon came back to the club with some trepidation after what had gone before. Excellent post
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Post by moneymadness11 on Oct 2, 2020 14:52:58 GMT
Done pretty well with BMI at fullback- look at our recent record. He is a miles better option than Tymon I believe tymons natural position is centre midfield. He gets shoved to left back because he's left footed. I find it barbaric the fans on here call him like there do. He's had a handful of games and not a run of them at that, the boy is 20 year old for christ sake. But fans are entitled to their opinion, but as supporters ain't you meant to SUPPORT your players. I rest my case on josh tymon. I said it long ago he is a central midfielder
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Oct 2, 2020 15:06:43 GMT
He may be, or he may stay as a wing back or a left winger or left sided midfielder. However, your support of him is to be applauded. When he played against Derby in our awful performance is when I saw something more in him and I’m thrilled he’s broken through. He’s definitely a lad who thrives on confidence and encouragement.
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Post by lordb on Oct 2, 2020 15:07:38 GMT
I believe tymons natural position is centre midfield. He gets shoved to left back because he's left footed. I find it barbaric the fans on here call him like there do. He's had a handful of games and not a run of them at that, the boy is 20 year old for christ sake. But fans are entitled to their opinion, but as supporters ain't you meant to SUPPORT your players. I rest my case on josh tymon. I said it long ago he is a central midfielder Looks like a good LWB too going by last night LW should suit him too in a 442 or 4231 Edit: at the very least he's a cracking option from the bench
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Post by GeneralFaye on Oct 2, 2020 15:11:19 GMT
Tymon excites me the most out of the current crop of youngsters. His delivery is outstanding and looks a naturally gifted footballer, I hope he gets in the side and keeps the shirt like Souttar is on the verge of doing.
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 2, 2020 15:12:47 GMT
It makes you realise how many different ways football careers can go - there are so many Sliding Doors moments that can send them off in so many different directions.
He could have quit easily ended up on the scrapheap with one more rejection. His confidence was close to rock bottom and who knows where he would have ended up and if he could have picked the pieces up?
He's certainly had a bizarre Stoke career so far.
Three and a half years in - and he's only finding his feet now after being ignored by Hughes, Lambert, Rowett and Jones.
But, after all that, he's still only 21.
Wouldn't like to call where his career will go from here.
Wing-back, midfield, what happens if we go back to a back 4?
But we're finally seeing unmistakable signs of real quality now.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Oct 2, 2020 15:14:50 GMT
It makes you realise how many different ways football careers can go - there are so many Sliding Doors moments that can send them off in so many different directions. He's certainly had a bizarre Stoke career so far. Three and a half years in - and he's only finding his feet now after being ignored by Hughes, Lambert, Rowett and Jones. But, after all that, he's still only 21. Wouldn't like to call where his career will go from here. Wing-back, midfield, what happens if we go back to a back 4? But we're finally unmistakable signs of real quality now. He was horribly managed by Hughes, like Edwards was, thrown in against Man City and Chelsea away from home was always going to end in tears and damage confidence.
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 2, 2020 15:17:13 GMT
It makes you realise how many different ways football careers can go - there are so many Sliding Doors moments that can send them off in so many different directions. He's certainly had a bizarre Stoke career so far. Three and a half years in - and he's only finding his feet now after being ignored by Hughes, Lambert, Rowett and Jones. But, after all that, he's still only 21. Wouldn't like to call where his career will go from here. Wing-back, midfield, what happens if we go back to a back 4? But we're finally unmistakable signs of real quality now. He was horribly managed by Hughes, like Edwards was, thrown in against Man City and Chelsea away from home was always going to end in tears and damage confidence. Yeah. Got to feel for him. I remember this interview with him last year. He sounded pretty desolate about things www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/football/hull-city-prodigy-josh-tymon-2893271"I’ve said to my Dad already that I can’t have another season like the one that’s just ended or I’ll be mentally finished I think" And apart from the last couple of weeks, it was just as bad! But thankfully he has bounced back
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 2, 2020 15:17:44 GMT
It makes you realise how many different ways football careers can go - there are so many Sliding Doors moments that can send them off in so many different directions. He's certainly had a bizarre Stoke career so far. Three and a half years in - and he's only finding his feet now after being ignored by Hughes, Lambert, Rowett and Jones. But, after all that, he's still only 21. Wouldn't like to call where his career will go from here. Wing-back, midfield, what happens if we go back to a back 4? But we're finally unmistakable signs of real quality now. He was horribly managed by Hughes, like Edwards was, thrown in against Man City and Chelsea away from home was always going to end in tears and damage confidence. He was but then for the u23s he didn't really put the performances in at left back either. There's only so much you can do but it was clear he was a good footballer so I'm glad the sensible decision was made to move him forward. Which is what should have happened years ago.
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 2, 2020 15:19:44 GMT
He was horribly managed by Hughes, like Edwards was, thrown in against Man City and Chelsea away from home was always going to end in tears and damage confidence. He was but then for the u23s he didn't really put the performances in at left back either. There's only so much you can do but it was clear he was a good footballer so I'm glad the sensible decision was made to move him forward. Which is what should have happened years ago. Where did he play when he went on loan to MK Dons? And can you remember how he did - did he get injured, I can't remember...?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 2, 2020 15:26:10 GMT
He was but then for the u23s he didn't really put the performances in at left back either. There's only so much you can do but it was clear he was a good footballer so I'm glad the sensible decision was made to move him forward. Which is what should have happened years ago. Where did he play when he went on loan to MK Dons? And can you remember how he did - did he get injured, I can't remember...? He was used as a left back or left wing back I think but I can't really remember. Not gonna lie I stopped caring because it didn't look like he was going to make it as a left back and no one seemed to be willing to play him furrther forward. It does make you wonder why no one ever did? It seemed pretty obvious to me from watching him for the 23s that he was at sea defensively but going forward looked decent. Good on MON for doing it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 15:33:55 GMT
I believe tymons natural position is centre midfield. He gets shoved to left back because he's left footed. I find it barbaric the fans on here call him like there do. He's had a handful of games and not a run of them at that, the boy is 20 year old for christ sake. But fans are entitled to their opinion, but as supporters ain't you meant to SUPPORT your players. I rest my case on josh tymon. I said it long ago he is a central midfielder Fair play Josh, you've certainly backed yourself there lad.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Oct 2, 2020 18:46:24 GMT
He's a Joe Lolley, needs more games and he'll start scoring.
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 2, 2020 18:59:57 GMT
When I first saw him play at Bristol City away I thought he was poor. Since then he's come on leaps and bounds and as said above is an exciting young player.. he's fast, shows commitment and vision and delivers the best cross I've seen from the current team. Hopefully the improvement remains improving
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 3, 2020 8:22:01 GMT
Some good fun reading the early pages of this thread.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Oct 3, 2020 8:33:51 GMT
Some good fun reading the early pages of this thread. "He's not even league 2 standard" and "he needs fucking off out of our club" are my 2 faves from my old mate Hackett
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Post by werrington on Oct 3, 2020 8:34:22 GMT
Some good fun reading the early pages of this thread. Have a look at any Harry Souttar thread up until a few months ago also
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 3, 2020 8:49:03 GMT
Some good fun reading the early pages of this thread. "He's not even league 2 standard" and "he needs fucking off out of our club" are my 2 faves from my old mate Hackett Well as a left back I stand by that. He was absolutely dreadful whenever he played there as he's just not a defender. Thankfully we have a manager who'll think outside the box and he's looking good in his more advanced roles where defending isn't a big part of his job.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Oct 3, 2020 9:11:19 GMT
"He's not even league 2 standard" and "he needs fucking off out of our club" are my 2 faves from my old mate Hackett Well as a left back I stand by that. He was absolutely dreadful whenever he played there as he's just not a defender. Thankfully we have a manager who'll think outside the box and he's looking good in his more advanced roles where defending isn't a big part of his job. Hmm I guess, although I never saw you acknowledge he had footballing talent and needed to be nurtured and supported. You were more than happy to throw him away like trash.
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 3, 2020 9:26:17 GMT
"He's not even league 2 standard" and "he needs fucking off out of our club" are my 2 faves from my old mate Hackett Well as a left back I stand by that. He was absolutely dreadful whenever he played there as he's just not a defender. Thankfully we have a manager who'll think outside the box and he's looking good in his more advanced roles where defending isn't a big part of his job. I feel you are being very unfair to a young player still just setting out on his career. I stand by my earlier posts above, that we have a young player who has played for England at two youth levels, played in the top tier of English football at a very young age (younger than Pejic or Smith did), then got transferred to a club in steep decline, with a dressing room of wasters and old fogeys. He struggled, surprise, surprise! He was sent out on loan where he has clearly matured, but on return was thrown in at short notice against Derby and had a 'mare. But he came back late in the season after the lockdown and played exceedingly well. This season he has been excellent. I looked at him closely on TV on Thursday and I was taken by how much he has matured in the past year. He no longer looks like a boy, but a mature young man; he has grown up fast. I think he can now push on and have an excellent career, hopefully with Stoke. I sure he will be perfectly capable of playing at LB now, but I just hope MO'N uses him to our best advantage. As I said in a previous post, how many on here could do their jobs as well when they were 20/21? (P.S. I'm not his grandad!)
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 3, 2020 11:48:38 GMT
Well as a left back I stand by that. He was absolutely dreadful whenever he played there as he's just not a defender. Thankfully we have a manager who'll think outside the box and he's looking good in his more advanced roles where defending isn't a big part of his job. Hmm I guess, although I never saw you acknowledge he had footballing talent and needed to be nurtured and supported. You were more than happy to throw him away like trash. Well that's why main man Mickey is a football manager and I'm not I guess.
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