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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 3, 2020 15:05:16 GMT
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Post by lifelong on Feb 3, 2020 15:16:34 GMT
totally agree, I think Lowe was at different game or he got a match report from Lou?
total twoddle, the free kick was a foul on Tymon not the other way
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Feb 3, 2020 15:16:56 GMT
And no one ever mentions Pumba! Personally they made lion king for me.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 3, 2020 15:27:16 GMT
So getting rave reviews from Portugal initially is nothing? The first few matches Campbell started didn't look too promising. Verlindern hasn't shown a tremendous amount apart from trickery and determination but no end product. I know you haven't blamed him but he has received plenty from people on here and in the Sentinel which really annoys me when a young lad is making his first appearance in 12 months only finding out a short time before kick off. He showed more guts than BMI who couldn't play because his mind was in the wrong place because a transfer fell through! Apart from adding height I fail to see what BMI actually brings to the team. Both have shown significantly more than him and both were tearing it up with the u23s which he wasn’t. Was he really getting ‘rave reviews’ or was he just starting for a team doing better than expected?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 3, 2020 15:28:30 GMT
In what way? Which bit of that isn’t true? ... I thought he was probably one of our best performers v The Sheepshaggers I wouldn’t go that far but I thought there were worse players than him. How does that make what I posted ‘agenda driven drivel’?
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 3, 2020 15:39:19 GMT
So getting rave reviews from Portugal initially is nothing? The first few matches Campbell started didn't look too promising. Verlindern hasn't shown a tremendous amount apart from trickery and determination but no end product. I know you haven't blamed him but he has received plenty from people on here and in the Sentinel which really annoys me when a young lad is making his first appearance in 12 months only finding out a short time before kick off. He showed more guts than BMI who couldn't play because his mind was in the wrong place because a transfer fell through! Apart from adding height I fail to see what BMI actually brings to the team. Both have shown significantly more than him and both were tearing it up with the u23s which he wasn’t. Was he really getting ‘rave reviews’ or was he just starting for a team doing better than expected? I remember reading an article in a Sunday paper, probably the Times about a young English man starring for a Portuguese team who were top or near the top of the league back in September. The young English man was none other than Josh Tymon.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 3, 2020 16:05:06 GMT
Both have shown significantly more than him and both were tearing it up with the u23s which he wasn’t. Was he really getting ‘rave reviews’ or was he just starting for a team doing better than expected? I remember reading an article in a Sunday paper, probably the Times about a young English man starring for a Portuguese team who were top or near the top of the league back in September. The young English man was none other than Josh Tymon. 'Starring' though, or starting and the paper bigged him up as a Brit abroad? Was he a top performer for them?
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 3, 2020 16:25:50 GMT
No idea. I know all papers like to make a story sound better than it is but it would seem that he was doing well enough to be noticed and for the team to be doing well. I'm sure it was no more an exaggeration than the Sentinel's laying the blame for Stoke's defeat and the poor performance of the defence(unsettled by his inclusion) at his door. I have no idea how good a player he might turn out to be I just feel for the lad for the criticism he's had to take for Friday. He was no star turn but nor was he the great disaster the Sentinel would have us believe. I saw him play, he tried his best with a commitment which may have resulted in rash challenges but, as I felt with Campbell he deserves a run of games before we write the sort of stuff I've read about him over the weekend. I'd rather give him a run of games than BMI whose commitment meant he cried off when he didn't get the move he wanted and who will want to leave in the summer. If Tymon then proves to be a total disaster then it's up to O'Neill who he plays - Ward, BMI, Clucas or McLean
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2020 16:29:52 GMT
No idea. I know all papers like to make a story sound better than it is but it would seem that he was doing well enough to be noticed and for the team to be doing well. I'm sure it was no more an exaggeration than the Sentinel's laying the blame for Stoke's defeat and the poor performance of the defence(unsettled by his inclusion) at his door. I have no idea how good a player he might turn out to be I just feel for the lad for the criticism he's had to take for Friday. He was no star turn but nor was he the great disaster the Sentinel would have us believe. I saw him play, he tried his best with a commitment which may have resulted in rash challenges but, as I felt with Campbell he deserves a run of games before we write the sort of stuff I've read about him over the weekend. I'd rather give him a run of games than BMI whose commitment meant he cried off when he didn't get the move he wanted and who will want to leave in the summer. If Tymon then proves to be a total disaster then it's up to O'Neill who he plays - Ward, BMI, Clucas or McLean Anyone would think our other left backs had been playing well when in fact Ward was largely woeful, McClean out of his depth and Bruno just about passable.....and they all have mistakes in them but hey let's castigate Tymon
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 3, 2020 16:33:22 GMT
No idea. I know all papers like to make a story sound better than it is but it would seem that he was doing well enough to be noticed and for the team to be doing well. I'm sure it was no more an exaggeration than the Sentinel's laying the blame for Stoke's defeat and the poor performance of the defence(unsettled by his inclusion) at his door. I have no idea how good a player he might turn out to be I just feel for the lad for the criticism he's had to take for Friday. He was no star turn but nor was he the great disaster the Sentinel would have us believe. I saw him play, he tried his best with a commitment which may have resulted in rash challenges but, as I felt with Campbell he deserves a run of games before we write the sort of stuff I've read about him over the weekend. I'd rather give him a run of games than BMI whose commitment meant he cried off when he didn't get the move he wanted and who will want to leave in the summer. If Tymon then proves to be a total disaster then it's up to O'Neill who he plays - Ward, BMI, Clucas or McLean Anyone would think our other left backs had been playing well when in fact Ward was largely woeful, McClean out of his depth and Bruno just about passable.....and they all have mistakes in them but hey let's castigate Tymon All of our left backs have been castigated. Every single one of them. They're all crap. We have loads of strikers yet Campbell has broken through. Edwards has had game time despite there being other right backs at the club over the last few years. We've had, even by the standards of the current debris that passes for our squad, no left back to speak of since Pieters left apart from Tymon, and he's still only an absolute emergency shout there. Does that not rather suggest something?
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 3, 2020 16:58:45 GMT
Yes, that he obviously had a falling out with Jones this time last year so was sent out on loan in the summer from which O'Neill recalled him but he has only been eligible since the 1st Jan. Read what O'Neill says about him on Friday - "he acquitted himself well". He is a few months younger than Edwards and both of them need more time. Not many defenders are consistently good at such a young age. Remind me where Edwards is at the moment because I honestly don't know what his situation is.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 3, 2020 17:03:21 GMT
Yes, that he obviously had a falling out with Jones this time last year so was sent out on loan in the summer from which O'Neill recalled him but he has only been eligible since the 1st Jan. Read what O'Neill says about him on Friday - "he acquitted himself well". He is a few months younger than Edwards and both of them need more time. Not many defenders are consistently good at such a young age. Remind me where Edwards is at the moment because I honestly don't know what his situation is. Edwards for all his faults is miles ahead of Tymon. It's not about being consistently good, he really hasn't shown much in the way of 'good' at all.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 3, 2020 17:09:15 GMT
No idea. I know all papers like to make a story sound better than it is but it would seem that he was doing well enough to be noticed and for the team to be doing well. I'm sure it was no more an exaggeration than the Sentinel's laying the blame for Stoke's defeat and the poor performance of the defence(unsettled by his inclusion) at his door. I have no idea how good a player he might turn out to be I just feel for the lad for the criticism he's had to take for Friday. He was no star turn but nor was he the great disaster the Sentinel would have us believe. I saw him play, he tried his best with a commitment which may have resulted in rash challenges but, as I felt with Campbell he deserves a run of games before we write the sort of stuff I've read about him over the weekend. I'd rather give him a run of games than BMI whose commitment meant he cried off when he didn't get the move he wanted and who will want to leave in the summer. If Tymon then proves to be a total disaster then it's up to O'Neill who he plays - Ward, BMI, Clucas or McLean Anyone would think our other left backs had been playing well when in fact Ward was largely woeful, McClean out of his depth and Bruno just about passable.....and they all have mistakes in them but hey let's castigate Tymon Massive oversight by MON we desperately needed a LB in the window, this could be the mistake that takes us down, very poor decision and he's not the first one to neglect the LB position, reminds me of the failure to sign a CF when Lambert was in charge that sealed our fate.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2020 17:10:54 GMT
Anyone would think our other left backs had been playing well when in fact Ward was largely woeful, McClean out of his depth and Bruno just about passable.....and they all have mistakes in them but hey let's castigate Tymon Massive oversight by MON we desperately needed a LB in the window, this could be the mistake that takes us down, very poor decision and he's not the first one to neglect the LB position, reminds me of the failure to sign a CF when Lambert was in charge that sealed our fate. Bruno out,Brunt in,that was the plan but Bruno didn't go
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 3, 2020 17:14:05 GMT
How much time has he been given? What has Edwards got that he hasn't got and what is Edwards doing now? I suspect O'Neill quite likes Tymon as why else would he have considered letting Bruno go in the transfer window? Have you looked at Tymon's stats for Friday? He was obviously targeted but aquited himself fairly well. A clash with your manager is not going to further your career and he as good as criticised Jones for taking him off and then telling the press he was injured twelve months ago.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2020 17:20:23 GMT
How much time has he been given? What has Edwards got that he hasn't got and what is Edwards doing now? I suspect O'Neill quite likes Tymon as why else would he have considered letting Bruno go in the transfer window? Have you looked at Tymon's stats for Friday? He was obviously targeted but aquited himself fairly well. A clash with your manager is not going to further your career and he as good as criticised Jones for taking him off and then telling the press he was injured twelve months ago. Brunt was being brought in to replace Martins Indi.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 3, 2020 17:22:15 GMT
Massive oversight by MON we desperately needed a LB in the window, this could be the mistake that takes us down, very poor decision and he's not the first one to neglect the LB position, reminds me of the failure to sign a CF when Lambert was in charge that sealed our fate. Bruno out,Brunt in,that was the plan but Bruno didn't go Brunt another OAP there is no way we should have sold Peiters without a decent replacement sorted.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 3, 2020 17:25:28 GMT
How much time has he been given? What has Edwards got that he hasn't got and what is Edwards doing now? I suspect O'Neill quite likes Tymon as why else would he have considered letting Bruno go in the transfer window? Have you looked at Tymon's stats for Friday? He was obviously targeted but aquited himself fairly well. A clash with your manager is not going to further your career and he as good as criticised Jones for taking him off and then telling the press he was injured twelve months ago. Brunt was being brought in to replace Martins Indi. Indi is not never has and never will be a LB, MON has brought Tymon back to play him at LB it will cost us in the long run.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 3, 2020 17:29:25 GMT
How much time has he been given? What has Edwards got that he hasn't got and what is Edwards doing now? I suspect O'Neill quite likes Tymon as why else would he have considered letting Bruno go in the transfer window? Have you looked at Tymon's stats for Friday? He was obviously targeted but aquited himself fairly well. A clash with your manager is not going to further your career and he as good as criticised Jones for taking him off and then telling the press he was injured twelve months ago. 1) I've actually seen Edwards have good games for the club. He's out of form but he does actually have some form to speak of. 2) Bruno wanted to go and Brunt would've replaced him. 3) Why are we only allowed to talk about Friday, when he was, at best, ok, but not about any of the performances before that? Are we really talking about a not-terrible display in a hammering expunging from the record any previous ones? 4) Jones hooked him before half time because he was absolutely out of his depth. He should never have picked him for that game.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2020 17:35:12 GMT
How much time has he been given? What has Edwards got that he hasn't got and what is Edwards doing now? I suspect O'Neill quite likes Tymon as why else would he have considered letting Bruno go in the transfer window? Have you looked at Tymon's stats for Friday? He was obviously targeted but aquited himself fairly well. A clash with your manager is not going to further your career and he as good as criticised Jones for taking him off and then telling the press he was injured twelve months ago. 1) I've actually seen Edwards have good games for the club. He's out of form but he does actually have some form to speak of. 2) Bruno wanted to go and Brunt would've replaced him. 3) Why are we only allowed to talk about Friday, when he was, at best, ok, but not about any of the performances before that? Are we really talking about a not-terrible display in a hammering expunging from the record any previous ones? 4) Jones hooked him before half time because he was absolutely out of his depth. He should never have picked him for that game. The 1st half under Jones was the only other time I can recall seeing him play and even you must agree any fullback in Jones's diamond formation was hung out to dry nevermind a young inexperienced one.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 3, 2020 17:36:09 GMT
How much time has he been given? What has Edwards got that he hasn't got and what is Edwards doing now? I suspect O'Neill quite likes Tymon as why else would he have considered letting Bruno go in the transfer window? Have you looked at Tymon's stats for Friday? He was obviously targeted but aquited himself fairly well. A clash with your manager is not going to further your career and he as good as criticised Jones for taking him off and then telling the press he was injured twelve months ago. 1) I've actually seen Edwards have good games for the club. He's out of form but he does actually have some form to speak of. 2) Bruno wanted to go and Brunt would've replaced him. 3) Why are we only allowed to talk about Friday, when he was, at best, ok, but not about any of the performances before that? Are we really talking about a not-terrible display in a hammering expunging from the record any previous ones? 4) Jones hooked him before half time because he was absolutely out of his depth. He should never have picked him for that game. 1. I agree but he's been played far more games. 2. Brunt can play left back but is not a left back suggesting he was back up. 3. Because it is the only game he's played for O'Neill. 4. He wasn't the only one out of his depth in Jones formation.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 3, 2020 17:41:20 GMT
His manager at Hull thought highly of him as he played him in the Premiership regularly and was the manager who took him to Portugal.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2020 17:42:01 GMT
Brunt was being brought in to replace Martins Indi. Indi is not never has and never will be a LB, MON has brought Tymon back to play him at LB it will cost us in the long run. So why has Indi been starting every game over Tymon when available?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2020 17:45:04 GMT
Indi is not never has and never will be a LB, MON has brought Tymon back to play him at LB it will cost us in the long run. So why has Indi been starting every game over Tymon when available? He's only been available a few weeks hasn't he ? And in that time we've gone on a good run and the manager doesn't like to change a winning team
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 3, 2020 17:50:32 GMT
1) I've actually seen Edwards have good games for the club. He's out of form but he does actually have some form to speak of. 2) Bruno wanted to go and Brunt would've replaced him. 3) Why are we only allowed to talk about Friday, when he was, at best, ok, but not about any of the performances before that? Are we really talking about a not-terrible display in a hammering expunging from the record any previous ones? 4) Jones hooked him before half time because he was absolutely out of his depth. He should never have picked him for that game. 1. I agree but he's been played far more games. 2. Brunt can play left back but is not a left back suggesting he was back up. 3. Because it is the only game he's played for O'Neill. 4. He wasn't the only one out of his depth in Jones formation. 1) Why do you think that might be? Left back has been there for the taking for years and he's not come close under a succession of managers. We keep being told 'he's the one who sees them every day in training', is that not the case here too? 2) Bruno isn't a left back either. He's getting in the team ahead of him... 3) But you've been talking about him playing in Portugal? Either everything that happened before Friday counts or nothing does? 4) He was out of his depth in pretty much every Stoke game he played bar maybe his debut against Rochdale.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 3, 2020 18:01:42 GMT
Yes, that he obviously had a falling out with Jones this time last year so was sent out on loan in the summer from which O'Neill recalled him but he has only been eligible since the 1st Jan. Read what O'Neill says about him on Friday - "he acquitted himself well". He is a few months younger than Edwards and both of them need more time. Not many defenders are consistently good at such a young age. Remind me where Edwards is at the moment because I honestly don't know what his situation is. Edwards for all his faults is miles ahead of Tymon. It's not about being consistently good, he really hasn't shown much in the way of 'good' at all. Could one of edwards or smith do a job at left back? My memory might be playing tricks on me but one of edwards better games came at left back in the cup v forest last season.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 3, 2020 18:03:17 GMT
Edwards for all his faults is miles ahead of Tymon. It's not about being consistently good, he really hasn't shown much in the way of 'good' at all. Could one of edwards or smith do a job at left back? My memory might be playing tricks on me but one of edwards better games came at left back in the cup v forest last season. Edwards at left back isn't a bad shout, looking at the options.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2020 18:40:53 GMT
Simon Lowe was a disgrace in the Sentinel,the way he ripped into Tymon To balance it Spinks gave him a 6, not much, but a lot of other so-called stalwarts got 5s. Not sure I agree with those ratings though. Some should have 4s and 3s.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 3, 2020 19:11:35 GMT
I thought he was the best of the back four against Derby, doesn't say a lot but for me he deserves another shot.
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Post by wakeypotter on Feb 3, 2020 19:47:58 GMT
... I thought he was probably one of our best performers v The Sheepshaggers I wouldn’t go that far but I thought there were worse players than him. How does that make what I posted ‘agenda driven drivel’? I thought Tymon was our best player on the night to be fair but that wasn’t hard as everyone else was shit
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