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Post by kelw on Jun 20, 2019 0:44:52 GMT
Simply won't happen. Pie in the sky I'm afraid SGS Why out of curiosity? Not going to play for Newcastle. Went to West Brom but pie in the sky for us?
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jun 20, 2019 0:50:45 GMT
Simply won't happen. Pie in the sky I'm afraid SGS Why out of curiosity? Not going to play for Newcastle. Went to West Brom but pie in the sky for us? Isn't it obvious? Our manager is only interested in players he's familiar with ie league one players or championship cast offs, he's way too far off Jones radar I'm afraid, he's probably never heard of him.
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Post by kennypowers on Jun 20, 2019 1:04:41 GMT
John Gayle???
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Post by bertiestan on Jun 20, 2019 1:05:28 GMT
Why out of curiosity? Not going to play for Newcastle. Went to West Brom but pie in the sky for us? Isn't it obvious? Our manager is only interested in players he's familiar with ie league one players or championship cast offs, he's way too far off Jones radar I'm afraid, he's probably never heard of him. He also said he'd sign players who will add to the group whether they cost money or not...Dwight Gayle will definitely add to the squad.
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Post by kustokie on Jun 20, 2019 1:06:48 GMT
I wouldn't go to £20m Could see the argument for £13m-£15m though. He isn't 29 until October. 60 goals in 101 games in this league, at a goal every 127 minutes. You'd think we'd have to somehow get rid of Afobe though? And can't see us being able to do that If we could throw Afobe into the deal as well I would certainly pay £15M for Gayle! No way will Newcastle take Afobe in part exchange for Gayle. They are trying to upgrade their squad.
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Post by kelw on Jun 20, 2019 1:11:10 GMT
If we could throw Afobe into the deal as well I would certainly pay £15M for Gayle! No way will Newcastle take Afobe in part exchange for Gayle. They are trying to upgrade their squad. Are you suggesting that Afobe and Joselu wouldn't fire Newcastle up the table ??? I despair about people on here sometimes
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 20, 2019 3:18:49 GMT
Dwight could become the best Gayle we've ever had!
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jun 20, 2019 5:16:38 GMT
20m worries me as we move into FFP territory. Would be great to get a nippy/pacy striker, but I'd prefer a mid table slog than being Bolton in 12 months. Giving Newcastle 5m, N'Diaye and Pieters for him feels less risky. Also just can't see him coming here over a handful of PL clubs and Fulham. He doesn't guarantee goals to the same level he got at WBA either - as it makes all the difference to be playing next to other really good forwards - which he had with Rodriguez, Barnes (for 1/2 season) and Phillips at WBA - typically in a front 4 with width. Powell, Gregory and Vokes - while a decent Championship set - would be a good notch below WBA's group. If we do have 20m we could spend, would probably plump instead for a creative + goal scoring CM and the LWB, who collectively provide a much better supply to Powell, Gregory, Vokes (and Afobe). And they'd both be 25 or under. How could we end up like Bolton? We have wealthy backers. Btw, there are a number of clubs who've chosen to ignore ffp
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jun 20, 2019 5:19:07 GMT
Ffp is about losses, can they not be offset by the fact that gayle would be included in the accounts as an asset to balance against the outlay? No his wages come into ffp, his signing on fees, bonuses, transfer fee spread into the losses over the length of his contract, a five year contract 20% of this comes in each year, a 4 year contract its 25% a year etc etc I know they go in as losses, what I don't understand is, since he is a current asset too, doesn't his market value go in as an asset that off sets the losses spread over his contract? I'm not an expert and haven't studied ffp, was wondering if someone knew
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Post by zerps on Jun 20, 2019 5:24:10 GMT
If we can get 4 good years out of him spend the money
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Post by nott1 on Jun 20, 2019 6:03:07 GMT
£20M is way too much for a 29 year-old Newcastle reject. I certainly think he is a good player and for half that price he really would be worth considering, but £20M is really daft. NO PL club is willing to pay close to that and that says it all I think. I would certainly look elsewhere if we were to splash that kind of money! I wouldn't go to £20m Could see the argument for £13m-£15m though. He isn't 29 until October. 60 goals in 101 games in this league, at a goal every 127 minutes. You'd think we'd have to somehow get rid of Afobe though? And can't see us being able to do that worth taking a big hit to dump Afobe I reckon (but it's not my money).
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 20, 2019 6:41:02 GMT
If we have that kind of money to spend it needs to be spent elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2019 6:45:47 GMT
If we have that kind of money to spend it needs to be spent elsewhere. Not just other areas but spread out on younger players that are cheaper and with potential, just incase we need to sell on in the future for FFP. One eye seriously has to be on that now.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 20, 2019 6:48:15 GMT
Dwight could become the best Gayle we've ever had! Howard does not like this!
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jun 20, 2019 6:51:06 GMT
Why do we live in a world where Dwight fucking Gayle is a £20 million player?
He’s worth 8, at an absolute maximum.
If we spend that on Gayle then we’ve officially lost the plot.
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Post by kelw on Jun 20, 2019 7:22:23 GMT
We didn't concede many last season, goal scoring was our main problem. The reason West Brom finished where they did was their ability to score plenty of goals. We concede 10 less goals than them whilst they scored almost twice as many as us. To say we should be spending elsewhere makes no sense at all.
It is THE problem we have to address. Who are these players that will improve us who are younger that will create all these chances for strikers who can't hit the target regularly? I don't include Vokes as I do believe he will get us a dozen plus in a season fingers crossed but there is nothing to suggest that Afobe could come anywhere near to what Gayle could add. We need that 20 goal striker and we know he does it at the level The price may be high ( we don't know it's accurate) but the potential rewards are far bigger. If he cost us £5/6 million a season in transfer fees over 3 seasons then a steal for me
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 20, 2019 7:26:18 GMT
We didn't concede many last season, goal scoring was our main problem. The reason West Brom finished where they did was their ability to score plenty of goals. We concede 10 less goals than them whilst they scored almost twice as many as us. To say we should be spending elsewhere makes no sense at all. It is THE problem we have to address. Who are these players that will improve us who are younger that will create all these chances for strikers who can't hit the target regularly? I don't include Vokes as I do believe he will get us a dozen plus in a season fingers crossed but there is nothing to suggest that Afobe could come anywhere near to what Gayle could add. We need that 20 goal striker and we know he does it at the level The price may be high ( we don't know it's accurate) but the potential rewards are far bigger. If he cost us £5/6 million a season in transfer fees over 3 seasons then a steal for me You don't necessarily score more goals just by buying strikers though. Get the balance of the team right and I think we have players who can score goals. If we're spending £20m it needs to go on a left back and a DM.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jun 20, 2019 7:31:19 GMT
No his wages come into ffp, his signing on fees, bonuses, transfer fee spread into the losses over the length of his contract, a five year contract 20% of this comes in each year, a 4 year contract its 25% a year etc etc I know they go in as losses, what I don't understand is, since he is a current asset too, doesn't his market value go in as an asset that off sets the losses spread over his contract? I'm not an expert and haven't studied ffp, was wondering if someone knew Because his market value is only a hypothetical amount placed on him, we don't actually receive any income from him having a market value of 20 million or whatever in a profit/loss sense. You would actually have to sell the asset to generate a profit. Whereas the fact his transfer would be amortised over the length of his contract combined with his wages means that money is actively going out to pay him. It would however have an impact on any takeover deal etc, as the owner would be paying for the squad and players are the most valuable commodity to take over, but in a profit/loss context market value doesn't actively bring us money in so it can't be included.
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Post by pottersrule on Jun 20, 2019 7:31:22 GMT
We didn't concede many last season, goal scoring was our main problem. The reason West Brom finished where they did was their ability to score plenty of goals. We concede 10 less goals than them whilst they scored almost twice as many as us. To say we should be spending elsewhere makes no sense at all. It is THE paroblem we have to address. Who are these players that will improve us who are younger that will create all these chances for strikers who can't hit the target regularly? I don't include Vokes as I do believe he will get us a dozen plus in a season fingers crossed but there is nothing to suggest that Afobe could come anywhere near to what Gayle could add. We need that 20 goal striker and we know he does it at the level The price may be high ( we don't know it's accurate) but the potential rewards are far bigger. If he cost us £5/6 million a season in transfer fees over 3 seasons then a steal for me No the problem with us last season was if we scored,we conceded.The Rotherham home game summed our season up.
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Post by kelw on Jun 20, 2019 7:31:34 GMT
We didn't concede many last season, goal scoring was our main problem. The reason West Brom finished where they did was their ability to score plenty of goals. We concede 10 less goals than them whilst they scored almost twice as many as us. To say we should be spending elsewhere makes no sense at all. It is THE problem we have to address. Who are these players that will improve us who are younger that will create all these chances for strikers who can't hit the target regularly? I don't include Vokes as I do believe he will get us a dozen plus in a season fingers crossed but there is nothing to suggest that Afobe could come anywhere near to what Gayle could add. We need that 20 goal striker and we know he does it at the level The price may be high ( we don't know it's accurate) but the potential rewards are far bigger. If he cost us £5/6 million a season in transfer fees over 3 seasons then a steal for me You don't necessarily score more goals just by buying strikers though. Get the balance of the team right and I think we have players who can score goals. If we're spending £20m it needs to go on a left back and a DM. Of course but less chance of scoring goals without one. A decent striker could turn draws into wins- how many times did Norwich do it last season? We conceded less than a goal a game last season but you want to spend money strengthening that area? Back to square one
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Post by stokie1947 on Jun 20, 2019 7:33:07 GMT
be very surprised if this one happens big fee big wages big contract
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jun 20, 2019 7:34:17 GMT
You don't necessarily score more goals just by buying strikers though. Get the balance of the team right and I think we have players who can score goals. If we're spending £20m it needs to go on a left back and a DM. Of course but less chance of scoring goals without one. A decent striker could turn draws into wins- how many times did Norwich do it last season? We conceded less than a goal a game last season but you want to spend money strengthening that area? Back to square one If the left back is going to be the main source of width, and thus attacking movement then it's absolutely crucial to bring one in? Gayle can't score if we can't adequately move the ball up the pitch positively.
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Post by kelw on Jun 20, 2019 7:34:59 GMT
We didn't concede many last season, goal scoring was our main problem. The reason West Brom finished where they did was their ability to score plenty of goals. We concede 10 less goals than them whilst they scored almost twice as many as us. To say we should be spending elsewhere makes no sense at all. It is THE paroblem we have to address. Who are these players that will improve us who are younger that will create all these chances for strikers who can't hit the target regularly? I don't include Vokes as I do believe he will get us a dozen plus in a season fingers crossed but there is nothing to suggest that Afobe could come anywhere near to what Gayle could add. We need that 20 goal striker and we know he does it at the level The price may be high ( we don't know it's accurate) but the potential rewards are far bigger. If he cost us £5/6 million a season in transfer fees over 3 seasons then a steal for me No the problem with us last season was if we scored,we conceded.The Rotherham home game summed our season up. We never finished teams off was our main problem because we couldn't score and drew so many due to our inability to score goals. Rotherham didn't sum our season up as they were the far better side for 90 mins but we managed to score twice against the run of play.
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Post by neddy on Jun 20, 2019 7:36:35 GMT
Thus one will go to the transfer deadline won’t it? Sit tight ......
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Post by kelw on Jun 20, 2019 7:37:19 GMT
Of course but less chance of scoring goals without one. A decent striker could turn draws into wins- how many times did Norwich do it last season? We conceded less than a goal a game last season but you want to spend money strengthening that area? Back to square one If the left back is going to be the main source of width, and thus attacking movement then it's absolutely crucial to bring one in? Gayle can't score if we can't adequately move the ball up the pitch positively. Nothing to say we won't but why does it have to cost ? Same old if we go again up front with a failed forward line
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Post by robwahlmann on Jun 20, 2019 7:49:21 GMT
If we could throw Afobe into the deal as well I would certainly pay £15M for Gayle! No way will Newcastle take Afobe in part exchange for Gayle. They are trying to upgrade their squad. It was meant as a joke! I really don't think any PL team will ever come near that player, he simply is too shite.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 20, 2019 7:58:47 GMT
Dwight could become the best Gayle we've ever had! Howard does not like this! Ooops! I overlooked a Gayle.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 20, 2019 8:06:36 GMT
You don't necessarily score more goals just by buying strikers though. Get the balance of the team right and I think we have players who can score goals. If we're spending £20m it needs to go on a left back and a DM. Of course but less chance of scoring goals without one. A decent striker could turn draws into wins- how many times did Norwich do it last season? We conceded less than a goal a game last season but you want to spend money strengthening that area? Back to square one Norwich were a lot more than just a decent striker though - they had quality throughout their team. When we last went up we did it with 2-3 players sharing the bulk of the goals out, it can be done.
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Post by jeycov on Jun 20, 2019 8:06:48 GMT
Of course but less chance of scoring goals without one. A decent striker could turn draws into wins- how many times did Norwich do it last season? We conceded less than a goal a game last season but you want to spend money strengthening that area? Back to square one If the left back is going to be the main source of width, and thus attacking movement then it's absolutely crucial to bring one in? Gayle can't score if we can't adequately move the ball up the pitch positively. Same applies to our other forwards, especially Adobe who was very successful at Wolves
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Post by pottersrule on Jun 20, 2019 8:16:42 GMT
No the problem with us last season was if we scored,we conceded.The Rotherham home game summed our season up. We never finished teams off was our main problem because we couldn't score and drew so many due to our inability to score goals. Rotherham didn't sum our season up as they were the far better side for 90 mins but we managed to score twice against the run of play. Reading,Sheff Weds,Norwich,Sheff United,Villa twice,Qpr and Rotherham at home we were leading most of these teams some by two goals.In those situations we lacked the ability to see out the game,not because we couldn't score.
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