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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 12:29:44 GMT
I've supported all of the signings so far. But this fella screams of someone Luton should be bringing in, not Stoke. First worrying one. I don't have a problem with it. If he has the "Jones DNA" then why not? He can play in three positions in the diamond plus right back if required. If Jones wants a small, hungry squad you need versatile players. Can't say I know much about the guy but looking at his career he's 25 with nearly 200 Championship appearances behind him so let's judge him when we see him....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 12:33:48 GMT
I've supported all of the signings so far. But this fella screams of someone Luton should be bringing in, not Stoke. First worrying one. Jones spoke about his targets in the summer when he let slip that his budget this season is slightly bigger than the one at Luton, and that he'd be looking at the players that were just out of reach when he was there. Many people shrugged it off when they really should have been listening.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 18, 2019 12:37:41 GMT
I've supported all of the signings so far. But this fella screams of someone Luton should be bringing in, not Stoke. First worrying one. Jones spoke about his targets in the summer when he let slip that his budget this season is slightly bigger than the one at Luton, and that he'd be looking at the players that were just out of reach when he was there. Many people shrugged it off when they really should have been listening. Who's decision is that though? The owners or the manager himself?! Because he's also come out and said we were willing to spend big money in January but Jones didn't want to.. doesn't add up does it?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 18, 2019 12:44:22 GMT
I think this one would be the first one that slightly unnerves me, and has me worried that finances are becoming a real determining factor, despite the history he has with Cousins. This would be the 4th Bosman, with possibly another to come in Whelan.
Sounds like he'd be maybe 4th choice for the 2 CM roles (and would potentially rule out any prospct of the more attractive Ruddock/Sawyers turning up even if we lose a CM maybe?)
Doesn't seem to have much history at all as the specialist sitting midfielder, and never really played right-back professionally.
Bit of a shoulder shrugger if true, but just got to back Jones. I'm sure he'll do his best with the finances on offer to mould the squad he wants.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 12:47:24 GMT
I think this one would be the first one that slightly unnerves me, and has me worried that finances are becoming a real determining factor, despite the history he has with Cousins. This would be the 4th Bosman, with possibly another to come in Whelan. Sounds like he'd be maybe 4th choice for the 2 CM roles. Doesn't seem to have much history at all as the specialist sitting midfielder, and never really played right-back professionally. Bit of a shoulder shrugger if true, but just got to back Jones. I'm sure he'll do his best with the finances on offer to mould the squad he wants. It's dull and boring but finances should be a factor. FFP is around the corner and we need to make sure we'd don't piss another load of cash up the wall. If Cousins, Gregory, Powell, Davies and Lindsay all come in for £3m it's appears good business, then I think once we cash in on Butland there may be funds for one or two big money signings providing the wages on offer are not extortionate. I have no issue with that to be fair.....
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 18, 2019 12:54:03 GMT
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Post by DC1863 on Jun 18, 2019 13:01:18 GMT
I'd be concerned if all these bosmans were simply released by their clubs without any fuss, but it seems they were all offered contracts and chose to leave, probably due to interest from elsewhere.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 18, 2019 13:01:55 GMT
As regards to this potential signing, I'm trying to positive, I really am, but... I'm struggling here. I dread to think what Momo will say
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Post by thevoid on Jun 18, 2019 13:14:21 GMT
We're really shopping at Out of Date Pop and Chocs here aren't we?
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Post by nutterpotter on Jun 18, 2019 13:14:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 13:14:39 GMT
Jones spoke about his targets in the summer when he let slip that his budget this season is slightly bigger than the one at Luton, and that he'd be looking at the players that were just out of reach when he was there. Many people shrugged it off when they really should have been listening. Who's decision is that though? The owners or the manager himself?! Because he's also come out and said we were willing to spend big money in January but Jones didn't want to.. doesn't add up does it? I'm struggling to remember a time when things did add up at this club. We've made some shoddy off the pitch decisions spanning years now. The appointment of Gary Rowett last season was the worst bit of business this club has done for a long time. It should have been a Potter-type (Jones is that to be fair) and the 50M spent clearing the decks and preparing us for season two and three, bringing in the type of player we look like doing now. I want to say we were arrogant but I dare say we were just desperate to get back at the first attempt. It's all hindsight from our perspective and no doubt the fans would have been up in arms but it shouldn't have been from our owners. They're not wet behind the ears foreigners who've never managed a club before. One man in the boardroom has been involved in football since the 80s! As for Cousins, I'll trust Jones' judgement 100% but I'm all ears as to what his budget really is. I hope I'm wrong but I'm not convinced we'll be spending much more than the 2M or so on Lindsay unless there are significant sales.
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 18, 2019 13:20:56 GMT
Who's decision is that though? The owners or the manager himself?! Because he's also come out and said we were willing to spend big money in January but Jones didn't want to.. doesn't add up does it? I'm struggling to remember a time when things did add up at this club. We've made some shoddy off the pitch decisions spanning years now. The appointment of Gary Rowett last season was the worst bit of business this club has done for a long time. It should have been a Potter-type (Jones is that to be fair) and the 50M spent clearing the decks and preparing us for season two and three, bringing in the type of player we look like doing now. I want to say we were arrogant but I dare say we were just desperate to get back at the first attempt. It's all hindsight from our perspective and no doubt the fans would have been up in arms but it shouldn't have been from our owners. They're not wet behind the ears foreigners who've never managed a club before. One man in the boardroom has been involved in football since the 80s! As for Cousins, I'll trust Jones' judgement 100% but I'm all ears as to what his budget really is. I hope I'm wrong but I'm not convinced we'll be spending much more than the 2M or so on Lindsay unless there are significant sales. I think both him and Lambert were hideous appointments. As bad as I've seen for 40 plus years.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 18, 2019 13:23:50 GMT
Who's decision is that though? The owners or the manager himself?! Because he's also come out and said we were willing to spend big money in January but Jones didn't want to.. doesn't add up does it? I'm struggling to remember a time when things did add up at this club. We've made some shoddy off the pitch decisions spanning years now. The appointment of Gary Rowett last season was the worst bit of business this club has done for a long time. It should have been a Potter-type (Jones is that to be fair) and the 50M spent clearing the decks and preparing us for season two and three, bringing in the type of player we look like doing now. I want to say we were arrogant but I dare say we were just desperate to get back at the first attempt. It's all hindsight from our perspective and no doubt the fans would have been up in arms but it shouldn't have been from our owners. They're not wet behind the ears foreigners who've never managed a club before. One man in the boardroom has been involved in football since the 80s! As for Cousins, I'll trust Jones' judgement 100% but I'm all ears as to what his budget really is. I hope I'm wrong but I'm not convinced we'll be spending much more than the 2M or so on Lindsay unless there are significant sales. Yeah it's all got to come down to player sales and I totally understand the club's stand. We really need to get the likes of Bruno, Jack and potentially Joe out the door asap and reinvest in key positions with that money (LB, CDM)
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Post by lifelong on Jun 18, 2019 13:39:05 GMT
I would say last year was the exception but the DNA of the club has always been to do it on the cheap. A lot of the the failures we've had were players in second teams or players out of favour so we were trying to get something at a knock down price and ended up paying cumulatively millions for a pile of crap. It worked once with Arnie and arguably with Shaq
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 18, 2019 13:44:53 GMT
I've supported all of the signings so far. But this fella screams of someone Luton should be bringing in, not Stoke. First worrying one. Jones spoke about his targets in the summer when he let slip that his budget this season is slightly bigger than the one at Luton, and that he'd be looking at the players that were just out of reach when he was there. Many people shrugged it off when they really should have been listening. So when we're slumming it in 16th come Christmas, the chant isn't "Jones Out", it's "Sack The Board"?
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Post by LankyPotter on Jun 18, 2019 13:47:29 GMT
Jones spoke about his targets in the summer when he let slip that his budget this season is slightly bigger than the one at Luton, and that he'd be looking at the players that were just out of reach when he was there. Many people shrugged it off when they really should have been listening. So when we're slumming it in 16th come Christmas, the chant isn't "Jones Out", it's "Sack The Board"? It definitely shouldn’t be Jones out
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 18, 2019 14:08:30 GMT
So when we're slumming it in 16th come Christmas, the chant isn't "Jones Out", it's "Sack The Board"? It definitely shouldn’t be Jones out He will be the fall guy again.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Jun 18, 2019 14:10:39 GMT
I've supported all of the signings so far. But this fella screams of someone Luton should be bringing in, not Stoke. First worrying one. I don't have a problem with it. If he has the "Jones DNA" then why not? He can play in three positions in the diamond plus right back if required. If Jones wants a small, hungry squad you need versatile players. Can't say I know much about the guy but looking at his career he's 25 with nearly 200 Championship appearances behind him so let's judge him when we see him.... What the fuck is Jones DNA. Bang average footballers, no matter how many positions they can ‘do a job’ in, are still bang average footballers. I want to see right backs playing right back, Centre midfielders playing centre midfield, and so on. You’d be hoping If we were going to sign players from the team who finished 19th in the Championship, with aspirations of getting promotion, that they would at least be their best player. It doesn’t seem to me as though any QPR fan gives two shits about losing him. I’m not staying stats are the bee all and end all, but a quick look at who scored doesn’t make for great viewing. 23 games, one goal, no assists, and defensive stars are pretty crap too. Also doesn’t look like he can pass. So what does he do exactly? If he’s intended to be a squad player it makes even less sense. Jones says he wants 21 players in his squad. So make sure they are 21 players good enough. Our first 11 isn’t good enough so maybe we should focus on that before signing players of this type.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 14:14:26 GMT
I don't have a problem with it. If he has the "Jones DNA" then why not? He can play in three positions in the diamond plus right back if required. If Jones wants a small, hungry squad you need versatile players. Can't say I know much about the guy but looking at his career he's 25 with nearly 200 Championship appearances behind him so let's judge him when we see him.... What the fuck is Jones DNA. Bang average footballers, no matter how many positions they can ‘do a job’ in, are still bang average footballers. I want to see right backs playing right back, Centre midfielders playing centre midfield, and so on. You’d be hoping If we were going to sign players from the team who finished 19th in the Championship, with aspirations of getting promotion, that they would at least be their best player. It doesn’t seem to me as though any QPR fan gives two shits about losing him. I’m not staying stats are the bee all and end all, but a quick look at who scored doesn’t make for great viewing. 23 games, one goal, no assists, and defensive stars are pretty crap too. Also doesn’t look like he can pass. So what does he do exactly? If he’s intended to be a squad player it makes even less sense. Jones says he wants 21 players in his squad. So make sure they are 21 players good enough. Our first 11 isn’t good enough so maybe we should focus on that before signing players of this type. It's like Stan Ternent DNA, or Pep Guardiola DNA, or Dr Josef Venglos DNA, it's a fancy way of saying a player who has the attitude and skills required to play for a particular manager. But then I think you knew that. Not seen enough of him to know whether he's bang average, I'll use my own eyes and judgement if and when I see him on a regular basis......
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 18, 2019 14:22:47 GMT
Not sure where we are going with this, the short dated and dented goods aisle in Lidl by the look of it so far.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jun 18, 2019 14:23:33 GMT
I think this one would be the first one that slightly unnerves me, and has me worried that finances are becoming a real determining factor, despite the history he has with Cousins. This would be the 4th Bosman, with possibly another to come in Whelan. Sounds like he'd be maybe 4th choice for the 2 CM roles (and would potentially rule out any prospct of the more attractive Ruddock/Sawyers turning up even if we lose a CM maybe?) Doesn't seem to have much history at all as the specialist sitting midfielder, and never really played right-back professionally. Bit of a shoulder shrugger if true, but just got to back Jones. I'm sure he'll do his best with the finances on offer to mould the squad he wants. I'm all for being clever and frugal with signings but it does a point a completely new direction of not having much to spend at all. Plus I'm not sure a squad filler is something we really need at this present time, however if he's available and Jones is keen to work with him I guess he can't be too picky with that. Gregory, Powell and Davies I'd be happy with but the two most recent links are a bit head scratchy for me. Not all signings need to be massive names but other than Powell, you'd struggle to recognise the others we have signed/been linked with. I know we're not PL any more and a change in the structure of signing players was needed after wasting millions on rubbish, but this seems a bit bargain basement stuff only 12 months after being in the big league. All that said, I'm more intrigued by what Jones is trying to do than what Rowett ever offered up. It seems Jones believes in himself and his practices and it might at least be a bit more enjoyable watching these lads than the overpaid fannies from last season and before.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 18, 2019 14:25:17 GMT
I wonder when Chris Wilder put together that team at Sheff Utd their fans reacted like ours have/do 🤔Let’s see what happens when they all come together and judge them then
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Post by thehoof on Jun 18, 2019 14:28:27 GMT
I only saw Powell play at Stoke, the same with Gregory- Powell was easily Wigan’s best player and Gregory had no support but did try. I haven’t seen anything of Davies or Lindsay, and I don’t remember Cousins playing against us this year, so I have no preconceived idea of how good, bad or indifferent they will prove to be. On the plus side they would have to all be fairly incompetent to be worse than Rowett ‘s £50m of mediocrity or outright dross. I can’t help thinking that we are still 3 good players ( the positions that all posters have pointed out are necessary to the Diamond working) from being a top 10 side.
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Post by LankyPotter on Jun 18, 2019 14:32:30 GMT
It definitely shouldn’t be Jones out He will be the fall guy again. Honestly cannot see Jones being sacked next season unless we are bottom of the league at Christmas. He has been given the job for the long haul and im not sure that fan unrest would change that.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jun 18, 2019 14:32:43 GMT
Hmmm staring to slightly worry me these signings.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 18, 2019 14:49:27 GMT
He will be the fall guy again. Honestly cannot see Jones being sacked next season unless we are bottom of the league at Christmas. He has been given the job for the long haul and im not sure that fan unrest would change that. The same was said about Rowett , do you believe the signings we are reported to be making are the managers first choices ?, we seem to be jumping at anything that is free at the moment is that the agenda set by the board ?
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Post by questionable on Jun 18, 2019 14:50:39 GMT
It definitely shouldn’t be Jones out He will be the fall guy again. Exactly, and probably rightfully so given the crap we’re linked with, at this rate 14-16th is the best we can look forward to. If this is Jones interpretation of the right DNA Christ he’s a bigger idiot than previously.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 18, 2019 14:55:46 GMT
He will be the fall guy again. Exactly, and probably rightfully so given the crap we’re linked with, at this rate 14-16th is the best we can look forward to. If this is Jones interpretation of the right DNA Christ he’s a bigger idiot than previously. Doesn't seem to fit the fast attacking exciting football model he was spouting on about, if these are his first choice signings I fear we could well end up struggling badly.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jun 18, 2019 15:01:21 GMT
The knicker wetters are out in force today.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 18, 2019 15:05:19 GMT
The knicker wetters are out in force today. The same ones who raised concerns about what Hughes was doing 18 months before they finally pulled the trigger, those "knicker wetters" you mean well here we have the Hughes legacy in fruition.
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