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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 11:07:11 GMT
Is the penny finally dropping with one or two?
Jones has been brought in because of his knowledge of the lower leagues and his ability to create a lot with a little at Luton.
John Coates went public at the meeting and particularly mentioned what Jones had done with Sonny Bradley at Luton, a player tossed aside by a few clubs. Signed on a free for buttons.
It isn't rocket science. We spent a fortune on fees and wages last season and the season before. Just because it was spent badly doesn't mean it wasn't spent.
It's obvious that any sales this summer will be used to pay expensive players out of their contracts, replaced with freebies and ultimately loans.
I've been saying it for months....wakey wakey.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 16, 2019 11:08:20 GMT
It's beginning to look very much like that isn't the goal. They must think fans are thick. Cousins played through the England youth setup up U20, did well at Charlton and has struggled in a (poor) QPR side. He's got pedigree - whether he can live up to the early potential remains to be seen but this is hardly shopping around in the amateur leagues and park pitches. I don't think the club think fans are thick - just out of touch with the reality of our situation. We're going to have to tale a chance on this type of signing - we aren't going to do it by buying in Premiership quality players. It isn't going to happen. Not asking for that. This lad has struggled in the league we’re in
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 16, 2019 11:09:10 GMT
Is the penny finally dropping with one or two? Jones has been brought in because of his knowledge of the lower leagues and his ability to create a lot with a little at Luton. John Coates went public at the meeting and particularly mentioned what Jones had done with Sonny Bradley at Luton, a player tossed aside by a few clubs. Signed on a free for buttons. It isn't rocket science. We spent a fortune on fees and wages last season and the season before. Just because it was spent badly doesn't mean it wasn't spent. It's obvious that any sales this summer will be used to pay expensive players out of their contracts, replaced with freebies and ultimately loans. I've been saying it for months....wakey wakey. If that’s the plan we need new owners. But we’ve needed one for a while now.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 16, 2019 11:09:10 GMT
It's beginning to look very much like that isn't the goal. They must think fans are thick. Looks like we're paying for the 50m sins of Gareth Rowett last summer? It has the potential to get very messy though sadly. What comes out of the Manager's and Chairman's mouths is completely divorced from reality.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 16, 2019 11:10:08 GMT
Cousins played through the England youth setup up U20, did well at Charlton and has struggled in a (poor) QPR side. He's got pedigree - whether he can live up to the early potential remains to be seen but this is hardly shopping around in the amateur leagues and park pitches. I don't think the club think fans are thick - just out of touch with the reality of our situation. We're going to have to tale a chance on this type of signing - we aren't going to do it by buying in Premiership quality players. It isn't going to happen. Not asking for that. This lad has struggled in the league we’re in A lot of that appears to be because he’s not been played in his best position.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 16, 2019 11:10:32 GMT
It's beginning to look very much like that isn't the goal. They must think fans are thick. Looks like we're paying for the 50m sins of Gareth Rowett last summer? We still signed good players on the whole though FM and what we need is a manager who can use them and get a tune from them. Which shouldn’t be hard tbh.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 16, 2019 11:13:34 GMT
Is the penny finally dropping with one or two? Jones has been brought in because of his knowledge of the lower leagues and his ability to create a lot with a little at Luton. John Coates went public at the meeting and particularly mentioned what Jones had done with Sonny Bradley at Luton, a player tossed aside by a few clubs. Signed on a free for buttons. It isn't rocket science. We spent a fortune on fees and wages last season and the season before. Just because it was spent badly doesn't mean it wasn't spent. It's obvious that any sales this summer will be used to pay expensive players out of their contracts, replaced with freebies and ultimately loans. I've been saying it for months....wakey wakey. If that’s the plan we need new owners. But we’ve needed one for a while now. Our owners are fine but we have to keep within FFP if we want to avoid punishment. Our biggest problem has been bad decisions at management level and bad contracts being given out.
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Post by lordb on Jun 16, 2019 11:15:58 GMT
Looks like we're paying for the 50m sins of Gareth Rowett last summer? We still signed good players on the whole though FM and what we need is a manager who can use them and get a tune from them. Which shouldn’t be hard tbh. Is that the 'good' players who were here before Rowett who have failed under FOUR Stoke managers or the ones Rowett signed who failed under just the two managers? You can argue the manager isn't good enough (I think the opposite) but you absolutely can't argue that this group of players can be successful.
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Post by zerps on Jun 16, 2019 11:16:27 GMT
Cousins played through the England youth setup up U20, did well at Charlton and has struggled in a (poor) QPR side. He's got pedigree - whether he can live up to the early potential remains to be seen but this is hardly shopping around in the amateur leagues and park pitches. I don't think the club think fans are thick - just out of touch with the reality of our situation. We're going to have to tale a chance on this type of signing - we aren't going to do it by buying in Premiership quality players. It isn't going to happen. Not asking for that. This lad has struggled in the league we’re in Pukki was shit when norwich signed him
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 11:20:20 GMT
If that’s the plan we need new owners. But we’ve needed one for a while now. Our owners are fine but we have to keep within FFP if we want to avoid punishment. Our biggest problem has been bad decisions at management level and bad contracts being given out. The big issue is why those people are still in a job. The much promised overhaul should have started with a new CEO before moving onto a completely new recruitment department, with new figurehead steeped in football. Then it should have moved to paying players off and so on. That would have been 50M better spent instead of chucking it at Gary Rowett to spend it like a 5 year old at the Woolworths pick and mix.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 16, 2019 11:22:54 GMT
www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jordan-cousins/detaillierteleistungsdaten/spieler/128902He's played 186 games in the Championship - and has never played in any other league. Wouldn't be a massive shock with the Jones connection. Really can't see where he'd get big minutes above Etebo, Allen or Clucas though? He hasn't got the recent pedigree of a Ruddock or a Sawyers - but doesn't come with their price tag either! Doesn't seem a specialist holding player?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 16, 2019 11:25:01 GMT
If that’s the plan we need new owners. But we’ve needed one for a while now. Our owners are fine but we have to keep within FFP if we want to avoid punishment. Our biggest problem has been bad decisions at management level and bad contracts being given out. The board are the biggest issue. If they had sacked Hughes when they should have done we more than likely wouldn’t have been in this mess. It all goes back to there. Ideally I’d like to see them stay but with a new investor too who has fresh ideas and can provide a fresh impetus because the club is stale. Trying the same old shit with the same old results with no self awareness of their failings either. Peter should be moved into the role Banksy had and taken off the board. We need a CEO to help with the new ideas and freshening the place up. They shouldn’t be on the board either. And then ideally we need another rich bloke to come in and invest and kick the Coates’ up the arse.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 16, 2019 11:26:20 GMT
Our owners are fine but we have to keep within FFP if we want to avoid punishment. Our biggest problem has been bad decisions at management level and bad contracts being given out. The board are the biggest issue. If they had sacked Hughes when they should have done we more than likely wouldn’t have been in this mess. It all goes back to there. Ideally I’d like to see them stay but with a Jew investor too who has fresh ideas and can provide a fresh impetus because the club is stale. Trying the same old shit with the same old results with no self awareness of their failings either. Peter should be moved into the role Banksy had and taken off the board. We need a CEO to help with the new ideas and freshening the place up. They shouldn’t be on the board either. And then ideally we need another rich bloke to come in and invest and kick the Coates’ up the arse. Can’t argue with that
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 16, 2019 11:26:35 GMT
We still signed good players on the whole though FM and what we need is a manager who can use them and get a tune from them. Which shouldn’t be hard tbh. Is that the 'good' players who were here before Rowett who have failed under FOUR Stoke managers or the ones Rowett signed who failed under just the two managers? You can argue the manager isn't good enough (I think the opposite) but you absolutely can't argue that this group of players can be successful. Why can’t you? All four managers have used the same formation and expected different results. It’s the definition of stupidity.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 16, 2019 11:27:05 GMT
The board are the biggest issue. If they had sacked Hughes when they should have done we more than likely wouldn’t have been in this mess. It all goes back to there. Ideally I’d like to see them stay but with a Jew investor too who has fresh ideas and can provide a fresh impetus because the club is stale. Trying the same old shit with the same old results with no self awareness of their failings either. Peter should be moved into the role Banksy had and taken off the board. We need a CEO to help with the new ideas and freshening the place up. They shouldn’t be on the board either. And then ideally we need another rich bloke to come in and invest and kick the Coates’ up the arse. Can’t argue with that Minus the typo. Jesus.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 16, 2019 11:29:01 GMT
Is the penny finally dropping with one or two? Jones has been brought in because of his knowledge of the lower leagues and his ability to create a lot with a little at Luton. John Coates went public at the meeting and particularly mentioned what Jones had done with Sonny Bradley at Luton, a player tossed aside by a few clubs. Signed on a free for buttons. It isn't rocket science. We spent a fortune on fees and wages last season and the season before. Just because it was spent badly doesn't mean it wasn't spent. It's obvious that any sales this summer will be used to pay expensive players out of their contracts, replaced with freebies and ultimately loans. I've been saying it for months....wakey wakey. More loans for a manager who doesn't approve of loans ring any bells who is pulling the strings again?
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 16, 2019 11:32:51 GMT
Looks like we're paying for the 50m sins of Gareth Rowett last summer? We still signed good players on the whole though FM and what we need is a manager who can use them and get a tune from them. Which shouldn’t be hard tbh. You would hope that was part of his remit when we employed him wouldn't you, instead we won 3 games in four months.
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Post by sneydgreenstokie1 on Jun 16, 2019 11:34:39 GMT
Our owners are fine but we have to keep within FFP if we want to avoid punishment. Our biggest problem has been bad decisions at management level and bad contracts being given out. The board are the biggest issue. If they had sacked Hughes when they should have done we more than likely wouldn’t have been in this mess. It all goes back to there. Ideally I’d like to see them stay but with a new investor too who has fresh ideas and can provide a fresh impetus because the club is stale. Trying the same old shit with the same old results with no self awareness of their failings either. Peter should be moved into the role Banksy had and taken off the board. We need a CEO to help with the new ideas and freshening the place up. They shouldn’t be on the board either. And then ideally we need another rich bloke to come in and invest and kick the Coates’ up the arse. What rubbish! How us this season the same old thing?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jun 16, 2019 11:49:58 GMT
Our owners are fine but we have to keep within FFP if we want to avoid punishment. Our biggest problem has been bad decisions at management level and bad contracts being given out. The board are the biggest issue. If they had sacked Hughes when they should have done we more than likely wouldn’t have been in this mess. It all goes back to there. Ideally I’d like to see them stay but with a new investor too who has fresh ideas and can provide a fresh impetus because the club is stale. Trying the same old shit with the same old results with no self awareness of their failings either. Peter should be moved into the role Banksy had and taken off the board. We need a CEO to help with the new ideas and freshening the place up. They shouldn’t be on the board either. And then ideally we need another rich bloke to come in and invest and kick the Coates’ up the arse. A CEO that’s not on the Board, how would that work?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 16, 2019 11:51:47 GMT
The board are the biggest issue. If they had sacked Hughes when they should have done we more than likely wouldn’t have been in this mess. It all goes back to there. Ideally I’d like to see them stay but with a new investor too who has fresh ideas and can provide a fresh impetus because the club is stale. Trying the same old shit with the same old results with no self awareness of their failings either. Peter should be moved into the role Banksy had and taken off the board. We need a CEO to help with the new ideas and freshening the place up. They shouldn’t be on the board either. And then ideally we need another rich bloke to come in and invest and kick the Coates’ up the arse. A CEO that’s not on the Board, how would that work? Like it did before he was put on the board?
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Post by zerps on Jun 16, 2019 11:54:25 GMT
We need gordon ramsay in to tell everyone to fuck off and turn the business around
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jun 16, 2019 11:54:33 GMT
A CEO that’s not on the Board, how would that work? Like it did before he was put on the board? A CEO reports to the Board, so to be pedantic what you’re alluding to is more a GM role.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 11:57:21 GMT
Looks like we're paying for the 50m sins of Gareth Rowett last summer? We still signed good players on the whole though FM and what we need is a manager who can use them and get a tune from them. Which shouldn’t be hard tbh. Exactly,if we were planning to go down the route of doing things on the cheap, getting an experienced motivator in, one the players will look up to, should have been the priority, to try and get the best out of the collection of premier league players we have. If you are bringing in a new manager with a totally different project who won't be able to use the players you just signed, you have to back him or what's the point
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 16, 2019 12:11:02 GMT
Looks like we're paying for the 50m sins of Gareth Rowett last summer? We still signed good players on the whole though FM and what we need is a manager who can use them and get a tune from them. Which shouldn’t be hard tbh. Getting a tune out of a football team shouldn't be too hard? There are plenty of examples of very good managers failing to get a tune out of a perfectly decent set of players. Partly wrong wrong place, wrong time and partly because managing a football team is actually quite a hard job.
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Post by mermaidsal on Jun 16, 2019 12:13:04 GMT
Nothing wrong with Battersea Dogs' Home when you have to reboot... but with Cartwright and Scholes? Really...?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 16, 2019 12:13:07 GMT
Like it did before he was put on the board? A CEO reports to the Board, so to be pedantic what you’re alluding to is more a GM role. Exactly they report to the board so they shouldn’t be on it?! Just seems a conflict of interest to me.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jun 16, 2019 12:21:57 GMT
A CEO reports to the Board, so to be pedantic what you’re alluding to is more a GM role. Exactly they report to the board so they shouldn’t be on it?! Just seems a conflict of interest to me. A CEO runs the company and is on the board, but is accountable to the Chairman/Board. What you’re describing is a GM.
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Post by juiceandbits on Jun 16, 2019 12:30:10 GMT
You don't think we're gonna spend good on important positions? I think we'll try to find a balance - though I definitely agree that we're gonna use big fees to pay players off.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 16, 2019 12:31:38 GMT
We still signed good players on the whole though FM and what we need is a manager who can use them and get a tune from them. Which shouldn’t be hard tbh. Getting a tune out of a football team shouldn't be too hard? There are plenty of examples of very good managers failing to get a tune out of a perfectly decent set of players. Partly wrong wrong place, wrong time and partly because managing a football team is actually quite a hard job. If you implement a system that suits the players you have I would argue it is far from difficult, motivation and good man management skills are key elements, I would bet my house on if we had employed Fat Sam when Rowett was sacked we would have finished closer to the play offs than the relegation zone, truth is winning three games in four months is an abysmal record for any manager.
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Post by thevoid on Jun 16, 2019 12:57:49 GMT
I wouldn't even say we're shopping at Costcutter this summer. It seems more food bank and catalogue surplus store.
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