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Post by stoke111 on Jun 7, 2019 7:51:42 GMT
Is anyone going to be watching this? Is anyone going?
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Post by mickey2693 on Jun 7, 2019 8:18:39 GMT
I'll watch it. Last time it was alright, some of the goalkeepers are laughably shit though.
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Post by sheds1862 on Jun 7, 2019 8:29:13 GMT
I'm waiting for Mens netball mate then I might watch.
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Post by stokie223 on Jun 7, 2019 9:51:18 GMT
Let's be honest, the standard is pretty terrible. The USA women's side (considered to be one of, if not the best woman's team) lost 5-2 to Dallas Boys U15's. It's a no from me.
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Post by callas12 on Jun 7, 2019 10:36:05 GMT
Yeah I will, my daughters play football for local teams and they love it. Yes if comparing it (which isnt necessarily fair to do), to the mens game it's a different type of pace & yes the standard isnt the same but the standard & quality is improving all the time & some players especially at International level are very good. I've taken my girls to the Womens FA Cup Final and the recent England v Denmark match and they were both good days out. Its nice watching a game & not being soaked by beer at half time too!
Know a girl who used to play for England & plays professionally for Bham City, they earn a tidy packet these days at the top level of the Womens game which surprised me.
They mix girls and lads together at a younger age range and some of the girls are far more skillful than the lads and proper boss the matches.
Think it was Hope Solo of the USA who got me in to watching womens footy, worth a google search if not sure who she is, her keeping abilities weren't her only assets 😉!
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Post by telfordstoke on Jun 7, 2019 11:29:19 GMT
Agree with Callas, my 8 year old plays for girls team and FA are strong supporting the girls leagues , we got tix for England ladies through them for a lot of girls at the club , and playing and watching th ladies promoted her to ask to come to Stoke with me. And if she enjoys watching them now, imagine when they’re actually good again . Will definitely watch a chunk of the World Cup , England Scotland, what’s not to love
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Post by thevoid on Jun 7, 2019 12:05:32 GMT
Will they have any male pundits?
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Post by mattythestokie on Jun 7, 2019 12:16:42 GMT
Worth watching the England team, think they’ll do well.
I suggest people watch Britain’s Youngest Football Boss on BBC iPlayer. Great insight to running a womens football team and an all round interesting watch.
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Post by estima1972 on Jun 7, 2019 12:38:49 GMT
I find it all very sexist to be honest. What about gender neutral or gender fluid football? It's high time we stopped this nonsense. Men should stick to the things they're good at, like football, DIY and driving and women should stick to what they're good at, like washing up, cooking and cleaning. I'm a bit disappointed that England have submitted a team. A women's team out in France playing for a world cup; meanwhile there's eleven blokes sat at home waiting for their tea.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jun 7, 2019 12:48:16 GMT
Will they have any male pundits? Almost definitely. They always have a mix when England games are played as it is now and always have in the past as well
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jun 7, 2019 12:53:13 GMT
Worth watching the England team, think they’ll do well. I suggest people watch Britain’s Youngest Football Boss on BBC iPlayer. Great insight to running a womens football team and an all round interesting watch. Must admit i always tend to watch Women's footy when it's on and England are looking very good right now. Really don't see why there always has to be a comparison between the men's and women's game EVERY time women's football is brought up. I never see many threads during Wimbledon where people complain that Serena Williams isn't worth watching because Federer is better than her...bloody dinosaurs on here. That's the typical Oatie "Everything is black and white" syndrome though i guess....isn't the same standard as Men's football therefore it HAS to be utter shit and not worth watching. Pathetic really. I'm thoroughly looking forward to supporting a team representing England in a sport i love, full stop
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jun 7, 2019 12:59:41 GMT
I've tried watching it, really I have, but it is a bit shit! And now there are murmerings of equal pay? BBC is hyping women's football, trying to promote it at every possibility, but the product is nowhere as good as men's football. Would you pay full price to see a cheap imitation act and expect that imitation act to be paid the same as the real act? That sounds very negative but it is a bit shit! Edit: Oh no mickmills is going to shout at me now!
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Post by estima1972 on Jun 7, 2019 13:05:11 GMT
I've tried watching it, really I have, but it is a bit shit! And now there are murmerings of equal pay? BBC is hyping women's football, trying to promote it at every possibility, but the product is nowhere as good as men's football. Would you pay full price to see a cheap imitation act and expect that imitation act to be paid the same as the real act? That sounds very negative but it is a bit shit! Edit: Oh no mickmills is going to shout at me now! Did you realise that in tennis, men are way behind women in terms of equal pay? Because the prize money is the same, but women only play 3 sets as oppose to 5 for men, then when the earnings are calculated, because it's based on an hourly rate, mens pay is markedly lower.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jun 7, 2019 13:09:46 GMT
I find it all very sexist to be honest. What about gender neutral or gender fluid football? It's high time we stopped this nonsense. Men should stick to the things they're good at, like football, DIY and driving and women should stick to what they're good at, like washing up, cooking and cleaning. I'm a bit disappointed that England have submitted a team. A women's team out in France playing for a world cup; meanwhile there's eleven blokes sat at home waiting for their tea. Don't give up the day job.
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Post by dutchstokie on Jun 7, 2019 13:25:55 GMT
I was offered tickets but couldnt go..... The Dutch right back Desiree van Lunteren is the niece of my next door neighbour..... useless fact for you. Anyway Im Just waiting for the dirty pics to appear here. Now Im am old fart I can get away with it😂👍
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jun 7, 2019 13:31:27 GMT
I've tried watching it, really I have, but it is a bit shit! And now there are murmerings of equal pay? BBC is hyping women's football, trying to promote it at every possibility, but the product is nowhere as good as men's football. Would you pay full price to see a cheap imitation act and expect that imitation act to be paid the same as the real act? That sounds very negative but it is a bit shit! Edit: Oh no mickmills is going to shout at me now!
I certainly won't shout at you for that mate. Re: equal pay, i actually agree in that it shouldn't (and won't) happen anyway.
The wages men are paid is because of their worth to that club and the amont of revenue they will help to achieve to bring in (whether that's from league finishes, cups won, advertising clout of a particular player etc. etc.) and a lot is driven from TV rights money. If women's football is able to bring in those kinds of finances then fair play, crack on and pay them the same. After all, it's down to the individual clubs that pay the wages to determine those amounts so it's up to them.
The ONLY way they could currently basically raise funds in order to bring the women's players up in line with men, is for individual clubs to basically say "Well, we've earnt x hundred million this year and 95% of that was brought in by the men's team and 5% by the women's team but we'll put 50% into each pot and then they can both get equal pay". There's no way in the world that ANY club will do that, as it obviously then means they have to pay the men less and then they'll consequently fail to attract any decent players because their wages aren't high enough. I'm also pretty sure that the FA, UEFA and FIFA can't insist on what the wages for any player (men or women) can or can't be anyway, as although they have jurisdiction over rules of the sport and clubs that are/aren't eligible to compete in their competitions, they have no jurisidiction or control over individual businesses (which clubs are) and how much those businesses choose to pay their employees.
The standard of Owmen's football WILL get better (it has in just the last 10 years or so that i've been watching it). I'd hazard a guess that back in the late 1800's the men's standard was shit compared to nowadays as well, but has got better over the years specifically because of the money that's gone into the game, developments in sports science etc (which again was able to happen due to the money involved in the game) and most importantly the profile of the sport increasing over the years, as that led to more and more young lads engaging from an early age and then playing from a very early age.
People have to remember that in most countries around the world (obviously some countries like USA are the exception, but they've always been hampered by the fact that "soccer" isn't a particularly popular sport in general over there and has to compete with Basketball, Ice hockey and American Football), Women's football is still in it's relative infancy in terms of funding, profile and girls playing from a very early age...that's why media coverage and "hype" is essential as without that it has no chance of ever improving, in the same way that men's football would be a shit standard today if it wasn't for the fact that they've had all of these benefits for decades and decades already. Everyone (and every sport) has to start somewhere and i see no problem at all in giving the same opportunities (TV coverage, media exposure etc) to the women as the men currently get and have been getting for about a hundred years. It's only by giving them those same opportunities that it will grow as a sport and enable the standard to increase.
Give them the same advantages (re: media exposure) as the blokes and the standard will improve in years to come and that will consequently bring more money in....but when it comes to wages currently, as with every job they have to be earned and are dependent on what your role brings to the table financially; No business pays the company's best asset who bring in millions the same wage as someone who makes the company sod all, regardless of gender. Until Sky, BT etc. start paying hundreds of millions for TV rights for women's football and therefore Women's teams themselves earn for the club what the Men's sides do, then they shouldn't get paid the same and (like i said) i don't see any way whatsoever how anyone could force any club to pay the same. At the end of the day it took years for the men's game to get to the standard and profile (as a money making entity) where companies were frantically bidding over TV rights and a lot of work and effort to get that. It isn't right that the women (who haven't spent years getting their game to the required standard for TV bidding wars) should just automatically get a piece of that..but give them a few years in the media spotlight and the standard will get better and then the money will naturally increase as a consequence of the hard work THEY'VE then put in to get the sport to that standard.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jun 7, 2019 13:43:53 GMT
Always worth remembering the FA banned Women's football on Member pitches in 1921 because they were worried about its popularity leeching interest in the men's game (Some games got to 50k attendances) It wasn't reinstated until 1971...which is pretty staggering when you think about it.
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Post by kjpt140v on Jun 7, 2019 13:48:07 GMT
Why are the men's and women's versions compared? We don't compare hockey, swimming, cycling, tennis or any other sports.
Men don't own the sport, women's football has been in existence for decades.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jun 7, 2019 14:09:34 GMT
Let's be honest, the standard is pretty terrible. The USA women's side (considered to be one of, if not the best woman's team) lost 5-2 to Dallas Boys U15's. It's a no from me. If Amir Khan fought Deontay Wilder he'd get twatted. Does that make lightweight boxing not worth watching?
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jun 7, 2019 14:19:36 GMT
I've tried watching it, really I have, but it is a bit shit! And now there are murmerings of equal pay? BBC is hyping women's football, trying to promote it at every possibility, but the product is nowhere as good as men's football. Would you pay full price to see a cheap imitation act and expect that imitation act to be paid the same as the real act? That sounds very negative but it is a bit shit! Edit: Oh no mickmills is going to shout at me now! Since when has women's football been an "imitation" of men's? It's two separate groups of people playing a game to the same set of rules as far as I can tell. If there's any imitating to be done perhaps the men might do some of it. There'd be less cheating, diving and whingeing in the men's game for a start if they did. As for the BBC "hyping" it. Why wouldn't they? They're showing the tournament. Are they supposed to keep it under wraps and let it pop up in the schedules as a surprise? One of the benefits of there not being equal pay (and there won't be for a long long time - as most women players fully accept) is that it is affordable for terrestrial TV who have been priced out of a lot of high profile sport. They're merely looking for other opportunities to include competitive sport in their schedules and with the growing popularity of women's football as both a spectator and participant sport then why not?
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Post by stokeson on Jun 7, 2019 14:56:29 GMT
I've tried watching it, really I have, but it is a bit shit! And now there are murmerings of equal pay? BBC is hyping women's football, trying to promote it at every possibility, but the product is nowhere as good as men's football. Would you pay full price to see a cheap imitation act and expect that imitation act to be paid the same as the real act? That sounds very negative but it is a bit shit! Edit: Oh no mickmills is going to shout at me now! Since when has women's football been an "imitation" of men's? It's two separate groups of people playing a game to the same set of rules as far as I can tell. If there's any imitating to be done perhaps the men might do some of it. There'd be less cheating, diving and whingeing in the men's game for a start if they did. As for the BBC "hyping" it. Why wouldn't they? They're showing the tournament. Are they supposed to keep it under wraps and let it pop up in the schedules as a surprise? One of the benefits of there not being equal pay (and there won't be for a long long time - as most women players fully accept) is that it is affordable for terrestrial TV who have been priced out of a lot of high profile sport. They're merely looking for other opportunities to include competitive sport in their schedules and with the growing popularity of women's football as both a spectator and participant sport then why not? Great post .shame about the username!!!
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Post by kelw on Jun 7, 2019 15:03:40 GMT
Since when has women's football been an "imitation" of men's? It's two separate groups of people playing a game to the same set of rules as far as I can tell. If there's any imitating to be done perhaps the men might do some of it. There'd be less cheating, diving and whingeing in the men's game for a start if they did. As for the BBC "hyping" it. Why wouldn't they? They're showing the tournament. Are they supposed to keep it under wraps and let it pop up in the schedules as a surprise? One of the benefits of there not being equal pay (and there won't be for a long long time - as most women players fully accept) is that it is affordable for terrestrial TV who have been priced out of a lot of high profile sport. They're merely looking for other opportunities to include competitive sport in their schedules and with the growing popularity of women's football as both a spectator and participant sport then why not? Great post .shame about the username!!! Great point but the BBC also have bugger all sport these days so have to hype what they have. As for equal pay, utter nonsense to even suggest. The BBC really need England to have a stormer of a tournament you feel but think personally this bunch don't look the part. A big week for the women's game
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Post by bertiestan on Jun 7, 2019 15:29:40 GMT
I'll be watching...just for Alex Morgan.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jun 7, 2019 15:41:49 GMT
Great post .shame about the username!!! Great point but the BBC also have bugger all sport these days so have to hype what they have. As for equal pay, utter nonsense to even suggest. The BBC really need England to have a stormer of a tournament you feel but think personally this bunch don't look the part. A big week for the women's game Why don't they look the part? They got to the semis last time, won the She Believes cup (beating Brazil and Japan who are both in FIFAS top ten) and drawing against the top ranked side in the World along the way (in which England were the better side on the day) and are currently ranked 3rd in the world?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 7, 2019 15:59:07 GMT
Great point but the BBC also have bugger all sport these days so have to hype what they have. As for equal pay, utter nonsense to even suggest. The BBC really need England to have a stormer of a tournament you feel but think personally this bunch don't look the part. A big week for the women's game Why don't they look the part? They got to the semis last time, won the She Believes cup (beating Brazil and Japan who are both in FIFAS top ten) and drawing against the top ranked side in the World along the way (in which England were the better side on the day) and are currently ranked 3rd in the world? Regular watcher of women's football, knows all the ins and outs does kelw.
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Post by adi on Jun 7, 2019 16:06:12 GMT
Let's be honest, the standard is pretty terrible. The USA women's side (considered to be one of, if not the best woman's team) lost 5-2 to Dallas Boys U15's. It's a no from me. If Amir Khan fought Deontay Wilder he'd get twatted. Does that make lightweight boxing not worth watching? I’m not sure how that comparison works. I’m sure 14/15 year old boys aren’t going to be much different in strength to a grown woman? Unless someone knows something I don’t... should they have played the under-12s to make it fair?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 16:13:23 GMT
Id do some keepy uppies in the park with Alex Morgan (USA), great way to spend a summer evening perhaps? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_MorganIn all honesty for women's football they need to reduce the size of the pitch and goals to improve the game, ten or fifteen per cent?
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jun 7, 2019 16:14:59 GMT
Love the way all these blokes take the piss because the women's game isn't the standard of the men's game...while they sit behind their keyboards with their beer bellies swinging and have probably never played beyond U11s school sides level themselves, yet because they're a bloke themselves feel they can judge other people.
Sad, really is.
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Post by kelw on Jun 7, 2019 16:41:09 GMT
Why don't they look the part? They got to the semis last time, won the She Believes cup (beating Brazil and Japan who are both in FIFAS top ten) and drawing against the top ranked side in the World along the way (in which England were the better side on the day) and are currently ranked 3rd in the world? Regular watcher of women's football, knows all the ins and outs does kelw. I play but thanks for the heads up. I could name you the last line up in the 0-1 defeat v NZ off the top off my head rather than just look up on Wiki where they are ranked and this team will NOT win the World Cup. Anyone who has seen them this last 6 months can see that. Those that look up who they have played of late and check the current ranking simply on line won't. Yes, regular watcher. Way to make yourself look stupid
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Post by str8outtahampton on Jun 7, 2019 17:07:12 GMT
If Amir Khan fought Deontay Wilder he'd get twatted. Does that make lightweight boxing not worth watching? I’m not sure how that comparison works. I’m sure 14/15 year old boys aren’t going to be much different in strength to a grown woman? Unless someone knows something I don’t... should they have played the under-12s to make it fair? I don't think the comparison works either. Boxing can be and should be equally skilful and technically challenging, whatever the weight. However, I watched my son last weekend in an under 15s 6-a-side. This was in a Buntyland part of the country by the way. Not Stoke. Let alone Dallas. Many of these boys were extremely physical and aggressive. And big. And fast. My son's side was blown away. I imagine the Dallas under 15s are very good indeed. So the result doesn't remotely surprise me. But the comparisons are irrelevant. If the tournament and the profile the BBC is giving it encourages young girls to participate in sport then that alone is a good thing.
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