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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 6, 2019 8:30:47 GMT
Can someone come and take Joe Allen off our hands please! Why on earth should we sell someone who has been consistently our best player, an example to others and also faithful to our cause. I wished we could get rid of some of our so called supporters. Consistently our best player, remind me what league we’re currently sat in? The reason he’s been faithful to our cause is absolutely no-one else wants him, where are the bids? Where’s the interest for this supposed maestro? There’s been none for two years. An extremely average footballer who excels in no particular area and can run around a bit, which naturally makes him a hit in these parts. This constant attempt at shoehorning him into every conceivable midfield position there is has unbalanced the entire team, and in not one of those positions has he looked anything like a half decent footballer, he’s constantly out of position, every second touch is a tackle, he’s not skilful, he’s not creative, he’s Dean Whitehead with long hair and a Welsh accent. Am I blaming Joe Allen for where we are now? No, I’m not. But he has been a mainstay in a team that has fallen from grace like a meteorite. Whatever we can get for him we should take and spend it on a midfielder that actually fits the team.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Jul 6, 2019 8:59:22 GMT
Why on earth should we sell someone who has been consistently our best player, an example to others and also faithful to our cause. I wished we could get rid of some of our so called supporters. Consistently our best player, remind me what league we’re currently sat in? The reason he’s been faithful to our cause is absolutely no-one else wants him, where are the bids? Where’s the interest for this supposed maestro? There’s been none for two years. An extremely average footballer who excels in no particular area and can run around a bit, which naturally makes him a hit in these parts. This constant attempt at shoehorning him into every conceivable midfield position there is has unbalanced the entire team, and in not one of those positions has he looked anything like a half decent footballer, he’s constantly out of position, every second touch is a tackle, he’s not skilful, he’s not creative, he’s Dean Whitehead with long hair and a Welsh accent. Am I blaming Joe Allen for where we are now? No, I’m not. But he has been a mainstay in a team that has fallen from grace like a meteorite. Whatever we can get for him we should take and spend it on a midfielder that actually fits the team. What a load of rubbish. Butland has been part of the same team in the same time. Does that make him rubbish too? Joe Allen was our best player last season, and best bar Shapiri the season before. He’s the last of our problems, the pile of shit we have around him are.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 6, 2019 9:02:23 GMT
Consistently our best player, remind me what league we’re currently sat in? The reason he’s been faithful to our cause is absolutely no-one else wants him, where are the bids? Where’s the interest for this supposed maestro? There’s been none for two years. An extremely average footballer who excels in no particular area and can run around a bit, which naturally makes him a hit in these parts. This constant attempt at shoehorning him into every conceivable midfield position there is has unbalanced the entire team, and in not one of those positions has he looked anything like a half decent footballer, he’s constantly out of position, every second touch is a tackle, he’s not skilful, he’s not creative, he’s Dean Whitehead with long hair and a Welsh accent. Am I blaming Joe Allen for where we are now? No, I’m not. But he has been a mainstay in a team that has fallen from grace like a meteorite. Whatever we can get for him we should take and spend it on a midfielder that actually fits the team. What a load of rubbish. Butland has been part of the same team in the same time. Does that make him rubbish too? Joe Allen was our best player last season, and best bar Shapiri the season before. He’s the last of our problems, the pile of shit we have around him are. It does actually, Butland was crap for quite a while and only started to return to some kind of form last season. As for Allen being the least of our problems, if he’s been as you say our best player for the past two seasons that would actually indicate the immense issues this team has. I’d swap him for Sawyers in a heartbeat.
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Post by Goonie on Jul 6, 2019 9:02:59 GMT
Why on earth should we sell someone who has been consistently our best player, an example to others and also faithful to our cause. I wished we could get rid of some of our so called supporters. Consistently our best player, remind me what league we’re currently sat in? The reason he’s been faithful to our cause is absolutely no-one else wants him, where are the bids? Where’s the interest for this supposed maestro? There’s been none for two years. An extremely average footballer who excels in no particular area and can run around a bit, which naturally makes him a hit in these parts. This constant attempt at shoehorning him into every conceivable midfield position there is has unbalanced the entire team, and in not one of those positions has he looked anything like a half decent footballer, he’s constantly out of position, every second touch is a tackle, he’s not skilful, he’s not creative, he’s Dean Whitehead with long hair and a Welsh accent. Am I blaming Joe Allen for where we are now? No, I’m not. But he has been a mainstay in a team that has fallen from grace like a meteorite. Whatever we can get for him we should take and spend it on a midfielder that actually fits the team. As much as I like Allen, you do make a very strong case We've been woefully unbalanced for a while and it does make me wonder if it's because we're trying to accommodate him as the cause
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Post by wearepremierleague on Jul 6, 2019 9:06:01 GMT
What a load of rubbish. Butland has been part of the same team in the same time. Does that make him rubbish too? Joe Allen was our best player last season, and best bar Shapiri the season before. He’s the last of our problems, the pile of shit we have around him are. It does actually, Butland was crap for quite a while and only started to return to some kind of form last season. As for Allen being the least of our problems, if he’s been as you say our best player for the past two seasons that would actually indicate the immense issues this team has. I’d swap him for Sawyers in a heartbeat. Maybe people will appreciate if/ when they go.
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Post by biglad180 on Jul 6, 2019 9:07:16 GMT
if we are after romaine sawyers surly they would be interested in a swap deal for woods for me that would be a win win situation all round.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 6, 2019 9:10:40 GMT
Consistently our best player, remind me what league we’re currently sat in? The reason he’s been faithful to our cause is absolutely no-one else wants him, where are the bids? Where’s the interest for this supposed maestro? There’s been none for two years. An extremely average footballer who excels in no particular area and can run around a bit, which naturally makes him a hit in these parts. This constant attempt at shoehorning him into every conceivable midfield position there is has unbalanced the entire team, and in not one of those positions has he looked anything like a half decent footballer, he’s constantly out of position, every second touch is a tackle, he’s not skilful, he’s not creative, he’s Dean Whitehead with long hair and a Welsh accent. Am I blaming Joe Allen for where we are now? No, I’m not. But he has been a mainstay in a team that has fallen from grace like a meteorite. Whatever we can get for him we should take and spend it on a midfielder that actually fits the team. What a load of rubbish. Butland has been part of the same team in the same time. Does that make him rubbish too? Joe Allen was our best player last season, and best bar Shapiri the season before. He’s the last of our problems, the pile of shit we have around him are. Yes actually. Allen is a massive problem. Probably the biggest actually. The diamond may actually bring in enough people to cover the gaps he leaves though and use his energy to good use for once.
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Post by strangerthingshappen on Jul 6, 2019 9:15:36 GMT
Why on earth should we sell someone who has been consistently our best player, an example to others and also faithful to our cause. I wished we could get rid of some of our so called supporters. Consistently our best player, remind me what league we’re currently sat in? The reason he’s been faithful to our cause is absolutely no-one else wants him, where are the bids? Where’s the interest for this supposed maestro? There’s been none for two years. An extremely average footballer who excels in no particular area and can run around a bit, which naturally makes him a hit in these parts. This constant attempt at shoehorning him into every conceivable midfield position there is has unbalanced the entire team, and in not one of those positions has he looked anything like a half decent footballer, he’s constantly out of position, every second touch is a tackle, he’s not skilful, he’s not creative, he’s Dean Whitehead with long hair and a Welsh accent. Am I blaming Joe Allen for where we are now? No, I’m not. But he has been a mainstay in a team that has fallen from grace like a meteorite. Whatever we can get for him we should take and spend it on a midfielder that actually fits the team. This is funny.... Wow Faithful bless him yes, i'l Break the second part up consistent ( NEVER ) and our best player ( cant think when that would have been ) unless u mean that half of a season many moons ago when he joined for....
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Post by LankyPotter on Jul 6, 2019 9:19:35 GMT
Can someone come and take Joe Allen off our hands please! Why on earth should we sell someone who has been consistently our best player, an example to others and also faithful to our cause. I wished we could get rid of some of our so called supporters. Don’t cry fella.
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Post by MilanStokie on Jul 6, 2019 9:47:04 GMT
I don't mind Joe all that much but the biggest issue in this team is the midfield.
I actually think we have enough in the striker pool and defence is solid enough (obviously we still need a LB)
But midfield don't create anything. Nothing whatsoever.
And that coincides with both Nzonzi leaving and Allen joining.
We need a DM capable of controlling the game, winning back possession and starting attacks. We don't have anyone close to that.
We need 2 wide central mids who can link and create. Allen I'm not sure can even fit in here. Clucas could and etebo could.
Allen for me needs to be sold for the above reasons. And needs to be the box to boxer next to a beast dmc in a 4-2-3-1 as it's the only place I think that suits him.
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Post by royalewithcheese on Jul 6, 2019 9:48:32 GMT
The most important thing is keeping hold of Allen and Etebo.
Both could easily be Prem players in August.
It'd be a massive boost to retain both.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 6, 2019 10:07:12 GMT
Can someone come and take Joe Allen off our hands please! Why on earth should we sell someone who has been consistently our best player, an example to others and also faithful to our cause. I wished we could get rid of some of our so called supporters. Because he massively unbalances the midfield leaving huge gaps for the oppo to walk through, personally I don't think he's been consistently our best player, he's had a couple of spells where he's looked decent but other than that he's been average at best, for someone thats meant to be Prem quality he's hardly stood out a such.
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Post by tony1234 on Jul 6, 2019 10:58:26 GMT
Decent player, wrong team/ time: a player many Liverpool fans were sad to see go.
When I think - how many assists has our likely starting team got in it next seasson?.... that's the acute worry for me. It was last season and is more so this season. We have Powell now, but no obvious place for Ince, so you do the maths!
Part of that is due to the shortcomings of our CM. Pete Etebo brings other things more than Joe, so that means "Joe's position" needs to be creating and scoring a total of perhaps 15 goals a season if we aspire to reach the 70 odd goal mark. And it isn't
When I see Joe play that said, i might be alone here, but think he takes good positions to receive the ball, generally plays intelligent shorter range passes, and commits a lot of energy, tracks well - but its not the guy we need in there.
I think Sawyers is good and would definitely like him here, but would generally prioritise a creative/goal scoring midfielder - someone like Luongo of QPR, Fleck at Sheff U (Mount on loan would be a pipe dream, but if there is someone else like him...) -Playing the diamond with full backs that have little track record of making assists, we'll need more contribution from central midfield. (Maybe Mowatt?)
(N'Zonzi was exceptional - one of my all time favourites - and no single player was likely to replace him)
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Post by MilanStokie on Jul 6, 2019 11:27:17 GMT
Decent player, wrong team/ time: a player many Liverpool fans were sad to see go. When I think - how many assists has our likely starting team got in it next seasson?.... that's the acute worry for me. It was last season and is more so this season. We have Powell now, but no obvious place for Ince, so you do the maths! Part of that is due to the shortcomings of our CM. Pete Etebo brings other things more than Joe, so that means "Joe's position" needs to be creating and scoring a total of perhaps 15 goals a season if we aspire to reach the 70 odd goal mark. And it isn't When I see Joe play that said, i might be alone here, but think he takes good positions to receive the ball, generally plays intelligent shorter range passes, and commits a lot of energy, tracks well - but its not the guy we need in there. I think Sawyers is good and would definitely like him here, but would generally prioritise a creative/goal scoring midfielder - someone like Luongo of QPR, Fleck at Sheff U (Mount on loan would be a pipe dream, but if there is someone else like him...) -Playing the diamond with full backs that have little track record of making assists, we'll need more contribution from central midfield. (Maybe Mowatt?) (N'Zonzi was exceptional - one of my all time favourites - and no single player was likely to replace him) he was exceptional and it isn't fair to compare players afterwards to him but we can't pretend our midfield has been anything short of garbage since he left.
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Post by LankyPotter on Jul 6, 2019 11:27:33 GMT
Why on earth should we sell someone who has been consistently our best player, an example to others and also faithful to our cause. I wished we could get rid of some of our so called supporters. Because he massively unbalances the midfield leaving huge gaps for the oppo to walk through, personally I don't think he's been consistently our best player, he's had a couple of spells where he's looked decent but other than that he's been average at best, for someone thats meant to be Prem quality he's hardly stood out a such. I agree with the majority of that. My only addition to it would be that just because he isn’t the right fit for our midfield (imo) doesn’t mean that he isn’t premier league quality because he is, that was my original point about selling Allen.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 11:31:49 GMT
I’d happily see, Allen, Clucas, McClean, Woods and Ince go.
Etebo is the guy we need to keep hold of and get a couple who can work with him.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 6, 2019 11:55:19 GMT
I’d happily see, Allen, Clucas, McClean, Woods and Ince go. Etebo is the guy we need to keep hold of and get a couple who can work with him. Word for word how I feel also.
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Post by nott1 on Jul 6, 2019 12:01:30 GMT
I’d happily see, Allen, Clucas, McClean, Woods and Ince go. Etebo is the guy we need to keep hold of and get a couple who can work with him. Word for word how I feel also. Plus, keep Bojan!
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 6, 2019 13:57:35 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 6, 2019 14:09:35 GMT
Consistently our best player, remind me what league we’re currently sat in? The reason he’s been faithful to our cause is absolutely no-one else wants him, where are the bids? Where’s the interest for this supposed maestro? There’s been none for two years. An extremely average footballer who excels in no particular area and can run around a bit, which naturally makes him a hit in these parts. This constant attempt at shoehorning him into every conceivable midfield position there is has unbalanced the entire team, and in not one of those positions has he looked anything like a half decent footballer, he’s constantly out of position, every second touch is a tackle, he’s not skilful, he’s not creative, he’s Dean Whitehead with long hair and a Welsh accent. Am I blaming Joe Allen for where we are now? No, I’m not. But he has been a mainstay in a team that has fallen from grace like a meteorite. Whatever we can get for him we should take and spend it on a midfielder that actually fits the team. As much as I like Allen, you do make a very strong case We've been woefully unbalanced for a while and it does make me wonder if it's because we're trying to accommodate him as the cause I don't think it is. I just think we have had a "nothing" midfield for years. That said I would take a good offer for Allen if it meant buying a couple of up and coming players.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 6, 2019 20:35:31 GMT
www.skysports.com/transfer-centreCELTIC'S SAWYERS BID REJECTED Brentford have rejected a £2m offer from Celtic for Romaine Sawyers, according to Sky sources. A number of Championship clubs are also interested in the midfielder, who has just a year remaining on his contract at Griffin Park.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 6, 2019 21:14:00 GMT
Sawyers for Allen and keeping Etebo would be a good twist this window.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 6, 2019 21:46:21 GMT
Celts are now preparing a follow-up offer of around £2m to secure the Brentford skipper.
Hoops manager Lennon believes the powerful midfielder would add steel to his squad.
Stoke City and West Brom are also understood to be interested in a deal and are keeping tabs on the situation.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 6, 2019 22:17:51 GMT
Celts are now preparing a follow-up offer of around £2m to secure the Brentford skipper. Hoops manager Lennon believes the powerful midfielder would add steel to his squad. Stoke City and West Brom are also understood to be interested in a deal and are keeping tabs on the situation. £2m? Is he in final year of contract or summat?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 6, 2019 22:20:33 GMT
Celts are now preparing a follow-up offer of around £2m to secure the Brentford skipper. Hoops manager Lennon believes the powerful midfielder would add steel to his squad. Stoke City and West Brom are also understood to be interested in a deal and are keeping tabs on the situation. £2m? Is he in final year of contract or summat? Yeah - and he is represented by our chums, Beswicks, isn't he? Sounds like it'd only be a possibility if Allen went though.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 7, 2019 7:01:02 GMT
£2m? Is he in final year of contract or summat? Yeah - and he is represented by our chums, Beswicks, isn't he? Sounds like it'd only be a possibility if Allen went though. Hes a beswicks player yes. Can we send Allen to brentford as part of the deal?
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jul 7, 2019 8:17:01 GMT
Celts are now preparing a follow-up offer of around £2m to secure the Brentford skipper. Hoops manager Lennon believes the powerful midfielder would add steel to his squad. Stoke City and West Brom are also understood to be interested in a deal and are keeping tabs on the situation. "Keeping tabs"
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Post by tony1234 on Jul 7, 2019 9:49:49 GMT
I’d happily see, Allen, Clucas, McClean, Woods and Ince go. Etebo is the guy we need to keep hold of and get a couple who can work with him. I get that, but equally note that 3 of those players have been amongst the very top Championship performers and one was a star for a Pl club.... what the hell do we do to them?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2019 10:22:03 GMT
I’d happily see, Allen, Clucas, McClean, Woods and Ince go. Etebo is the guy we need to keep hold of and get a couple who can work with him. I get that, but equally note that 3 of those players have been amongst the very top Championship performers and one was a star for a Pl club.... what the hell do we do to them? If, like you say, they’ve been at the top of the championship performers, theatrically they should be easy to move on. Allen is the only one who could get better than us, but given his age and how the team is made to accommodate him, he should also be moved on to generate money and free up wages too. It’s a concern that only Butland has been linked out, yet last season on paper, we were supposed to be the best team in the league.
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Post by tony1234 on Jul 7, 2019 10:33:43 GMT
I get that, but equally note that 3 of those players have been amongst the very top Championship performers and one was a star for a Pl club.... what the hell do we do to them? If, like you say, they’ve been at the top of the championship performers, theatrically they should be easy to move on. Allen is the only one who could get better than us, but given his age and how the team is made to accommodate him, he should also be moved on to generate money and free up wages too. It’s a concern that only Butland has been linked out, yet last season on paper, we were supposed to be the best team in the league. Its the prices we've paid and the wages we've put them on though that is causing the barrier: PL total wages = 2.9bn, Champ total wages = about 800m - so that suggests Champs wages are probably 20-25% PL wages. If we stick the buggers on wages that are somewhere in the middle, we've priced most Championship teams from ever taking them back... The few that can afford them would potentially be looking for better deals (not necessarily better players), where they can make a future profit themselves. Why pay for Ince when Callum Robinson is probably on a third of his wage, if that, and you could get 2x Callum Robinsons? Or using the loan system. Meanwhile the PL clubs are constantly aspiring to get better from a global market. Also - to note - We are really coming into the crux of the window now though, and there is always a surge near Deadline day... so still time
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