|
|
Post by bathstoke on May 27, 2019 15:49:41 GMT
Both had Charismatic front men who “left” the band.
Both significantly changed their sound.
Their base guitarists acrimoniously left the band & tried to stop the remaining members retaining the name.
|
|
|
|
Post by felonious on May 27, 2019 15:59:31 GMT
Both had two words in their name.
|
|
|
|
Post by bathstoke on May 27, 2019 16:21:03 GMT
Both had two words in their name. I don’t know why I bother with you people. I’m going to pour myself a massive ginXx |
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 16:30:47 GMT
Both made albums
Both made songs
|
|
|
|
Post by salopstick on May 27, 2019 16:32:18 GMT
Appreciate floyd more as I get older
|
|
|
|
Post by bathstoke on May 27, 2019 16:50:00 GMT
Both made albums Both made songs Et to Bruté |
|
|
|
Post by bathstoke on May 27, 2019 16:53:04 GMT
Appreciate floyd more as I get older For me, discovering Floyd all those years ago was akin to discovering curry. Can’t imagine how I lived without them 🐖🍛 |
|
|
|
Post by cheeesfreeex on May 27, 2019 16:56:21 GMT
Would it be appropriate to mention Anthony 'Tony" Wilson, a latter day Loog-Oldham, Epstein, Jesuit MI5 social engineer.
Did with E what Floyd did for Acid.
Pink Floyd were obviously public school establishmenters.
Controlled 'opposition' scripted manipulators.
Both psyops.
Nah I wunna.
Got little time for either, NO without Hooky, PF without Barratt, have nowt.
|
|
|
|
Post by felonious on May 27, 2019 17:48:21 GMT
Would it be appropriate to mention Anthony 'Tony" Wilson, a latter day Loog-Oldham, Epstein, Jesuit MI5 social engineer. Did with E what Floyd did for Acid. Pink Floyd were obviously public school establishmenters. Controlled 'opposition' scripted manipulators. Both psyops. Nah I wunna. Got little time for either, NO without Hooky, PF without Barratt, have nowt.You ain't half spouting bollocks at the moment 
All the critically acclaimed albums came after Barratt's departure and I think one album??? Now as much as I love See Emily Play and Arnold Lane it's hardly a great body of work. Pink Ployd with Barratt were a little self indulgent.
I've let the Eno one go because I know you're in recovery 
|
|
|
|
Post by cheeesfreeex on May 27, 2019 18:00:24 GMT
Would it be appropriate to mention Anthony 'Tony" Wilson, a latter day Loog-Oldham, Epstein, Jesuit MI5 social engineer. Did with E what Floyd did for Acid. Pink Floyd were obviously public school establishmenters. Controlled 'opposition' scripted manipulators. Both psyops. Nah I wunna. Got little time for either, NO without Hooky, PF without Barratt, have nowt.You ain't half spouting bollocks at the moment
All the critically acclaimed albums came after Barratt's departure and I think one album??? Now as much as I love See Emily Play and Arnold Lane it's hardly a great body of work. Pink Ployd with Barratt were a little self indulgent.
I've let the Eno one go because I know you're in recovery
All I'll say is 'Lucifer Sam'. Really can't be doing with 'Darkside', 'Wish You Were Here' makes me gag. 'The Wall' what I've heard of it employs kids voices, which is generally wrong, and is all a bit shit int it? Not my cup of tea at all. |
|
|
|
Post by The Drunken Communist on May 27, 2019 18:02:35 GMT
Both are massively overrated.
|
|
|
|
Post by felonious on May 27, 2019 18:12:27 GMT
You ain't half spouting bollocks at the moment
All the critically acclaimed albums came after Barratt's departure and I think one album??? Now as much as I love See Emily Play and Arnold Lane it's hardly a great body of work. Pink Ployd with Barratt were a little self indulgent.
I've let the Eno one go because I know you're in recovery
All I'll say is 'Lucifer Sam'. Really can't be doing with 'Darkside', 'Wish You Were Here' makes me gag. 'The Wall' what I've heard of it employs kids voices, which is generally wrong, and is all a bit shit int it? Not my cup of tea at all. To be fair to Roger Waters he was told by the record company that Another brick in the wall was a commercially viable hit and they asked him to write another verse to which his reply was go forth and multiply. It was only down to an enterprising executive that the schoolchildren's verse came to pass. As you know PF hadn't been a singles band since Barratt's day.
The Wall is one of my favourite albums of all time and it was an absolute high point to go and see Roger Waters perform it with my lad when he was about 14. I love the angst and for the same reason The Final Cut.
It might not be your cup of tea but that doesn't make it shit. I'm not the biggest fan of Celine Dion or Mariah Carey but they're not shit.
|
|
|
|
Post by danceswithclams on May 27, 2019 18:22:02 GMT
Unpopular opinion amongst muso cunts it may be but New Order are a gazillion times better than Joy Division.
(I'm a fan of both bands by the way).
|
|
|
|
Post by alsagerstokie on May 27, 2019 18:32:21 GMT
Ive always had a love for Rock music more than any other Genre. New Order produced some pretty decent Stuff.
I one day discoverd psychedelic rock and more importantly Dark Side of the moon. It changed Music for me and i consider it as one the greatest Albums ever made. The Wall was pretty darn brilliant aswell. Animals Division Bell good work. David Gilmore solo stuff is very good.
Pink Floyd were just absolutely fantastic at the work they produced from Syd to Waters just pure brilliance in my opinion.
|
|
|
|
Post by LL Cool Dave on May 27, 2019 18:37:47 GMT
All I'll say is 'Lucifer Sam'. Really can't be doing with 'Darkside', 'Wish You Were Here' makes me gag. 'The Wall' what I've heard of it employs kids voices, which is generally wrong, and is all a bit shit int it? Not my cup of tea at all. To be fair to Roger Waters he was told by the record company that Another brick in the wall was a commercially viable hit and they asked him to write another verse to which his reply was go forth and multiply. It was only down to an enterprising executive that the schoolchildren's verse came to pass. As you know PF hadn't been a singles band since Barratt's day.
The Wall is one of my favourite albums of all time and it was an absolute high point to go and see Roger Waters perform it with my lad when he was about 14. I love the angst and for the same reason The Final Cut.
It might not be your cup of tea but that doesn't make it shit. I'm not the biggest fan of Celine Dion or Mariah Carey but they're not shit.
Of course if it's not your cup of tea, it's shit. Pink Floyd are shit. New Order are not. |
|
|
|
Post by cheeesfreeex on May 27, 2019 18:43:46 GMT
All I'll say is 'Lucifer Sam'. Really can't be doing with 'Darkside', 'Wish You Were Here' makes me gag. 'The Wall' what I've heard of it employs kids voices, which is generally wrong, and is all a bit shit int it? Not my cup of tea at all. To be fair to Roger Waters he was told by the record company that Another brick in the wall was a commercially viable hit and they asked him to write another verse to which his reply was go forth and multiply. It was only down to an enterprising executive that the schoolchildren's verse came to pass. As you know PF hadn't been a singles band since Barratt's day.
The Wall is one of my favourite albums of all time and it was an absolute high point to go and see Roger Waters perform it with my lad when he was about 14. I love the angst and for the same reason The Final Cut.
It might not be your cup of tea but that doesn't make it shit. I'm not the biggest fan of Celine Dion or Mariah Carey but they're not shit.
What angst? The angst of having a draughty mansion? Don't know what Mariah or Celine have got to do with it. Dragging a 14 yr old to a Floyd show is cruel isn't it? |
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 18:48:20 GMT
Floyd are excellent - some superb music.
David Gilmour played live at Pompeii a few years back - brilliant.
Never really liked New Order at all.
|
|
|
|
Post by bathstoke on May 27, 2019 18:52:52 GMT
You ain't half spouting bollocks at the moment
All the critically acclaimed albums came after Barratt's departure and I think one album??? Now as much as I love See Emily Play and Arnold Lane it's hardly a great body of work. Pink Ployd with Barratt were a little self indulgent.
I've let the Eno one go because I know you're in recovery
All I'll say is 'Lucifer Sam'. Really can't be doing with 'Darkside', 'Wish You Were Here' makes me gag. 'The Wall' what I've heard of it employs kids voices, which is generally wrong, and is all a bit shit int it? Not my cup of tea at all. A V good friend of mine who is sadly dead intodoced ne to both PF & Joy Division. I remember him saying that if you think JD are depressing, you just don’t get it. I would say the same about the Wall. Although it’s not as beautiful as some of their works, that’s the point. It’s about who we are... |
|
|
|
Post by bathstoke on May 27, 2019 18:57:46 GMT
Floyd are excellent - some superb music. David Gilmour played live at Pompeii a few years back - brilliant. Never really liked New Order at all. They both have the air of prophecy about them. Dark brooding stuff... |
|
|
|
Post by felonious on May 27, 2019 19:04:01 GMT
To be fair to Roger Waters he was told by the record company that Another brick in the wall was a commercially viable hit and they asked him to write another verse to which his reply was go forth and multiply. It was only down to an enterprising executive that the schoolchildren's verse came to pass. As you know PF hadn't been a singles band since Barratt's day.
The Wall is one of my favourite albums of all time and it was an absolute high point to go and see Roger Waters perform it with my lad when he was about 14. I love the angst and for the same reason The Final Cut.
It might not be your cup of tea but that doesn't make it shit. I'm not the biggest fan of Celine Dion or Mariah Carey but they're not shit.
What angst? The angst of having a draughty mansion? Don't know what Mariah or Celine have got to do with it. Dragging a 14 yr old to a Floyd show is cruel isn't it? I don't drag him anywhere.... he wanted to go. |
|
|
|
Post by cheeesfreeex on May 27, 2019 19:04:21 GMT
Unpopular opinion amongst muso cunts it may be but New Order are a gazillion times better than Joy Division. (I'm a fan of both bands by the way). I see them as different entities, three or maybe four bands. Joy Division left a flawless discography {except perhaps the live side of 'Still'. Then there were the largely Ian songs of early New Order. Then the New Order doing NY Disco and finding their own feet and identity {up to Technique.} Then the Barney lead version, at which point I stopped paying much interest. Never thought he had much of a voice as it was, just about pulls ojj 'Blue Monday'/'Thieves Like Us', where it's fragility was a plus. Thought the offshoots: Revenge, Electronic, The Other Two were all a bit lame. Hooky and the Light are a top night out. I gave the latest NO album a real go but ultimately nowt on it really grabbed me for long. Each to their own but I find it hard to compare/judge competitively summat like 'New Dawn Fades' against 'Confusion'. |
|
|
|
Post by danceswithclams on May 27, 2019 19:11:34 GMT
A V good friend of mine who is sadly dead intodoced ne to both PF & Joy Division. I remember him saying that if you think JD are depressing, you just don’t get it. I would say the same about the Wall. Although it’s not as beautiful as some of their works, that’s the point. It’s about who we are... Joy Division are not depressing at all. Foreboding, ominous, minacious definitely, but not glum by any stretch. That said, they never wrote Bizarre Love Triangle or Subculture did they? And whilst the likes of Isolation has relentless, metronomic throb to it, you couldn't imagine tripping your nuts off to it at the Hac or Paradise Garage to it, could you? New Order are fucking boss. I am ambivalent at best towards The Floyd (although I did used work in a building that was owned by Nick Mason and had a pint with him once). |
|
|
|
Post by felonious on May 27, 2019 19:12:24 GMT
To be fair to Roger Waters he was told by the record company that Another brick in the wall was a commercially viable hit and they asked him to write another verse to which his reply was go forth and multiply. It was only down to an enterprising executive that the schoolchildren's verse came to pass. As you know PF hadn't been a singles band since Barratt's day.
The Wall is one of my favourite albums of all time and it was an absolute high point to go and see Roger Waters perform it with my lad when he was about 14. I love the angst and for the same reason The Final Cut.
It might not be your cup of tea but that doesn't make it shit. I'm not the biggest fan of Celine Dion or Mariah Carey but they're not shit.
Of course if it's not your cup of tea, it's shit. Pink Floyd are shit. New Order are not. I'm probably not as negative as some people about stuff that's not my cup of tea. |
|
|
|
Post by bathstoke on May 27, 2019 19:19:56 GMT
Unpopular opinion amongst muso cunts it may be but New Order are a gazillion times better than Joy Division. (I'm a fan of both bands by the way). I see them as different entities, three or maybe four bands. Joy Division left a flawless discography {except perhaps the live side of 'Still'. Then there were the largely Ian songs of early New Order. Then the New Order doing NY Disco and finding their own feet and identity {up to Technique.} Then the Barney lead version, at which point I stopped paying much interest. Never thought he had much of a voice as it was, just about pulls ojj 'Blue Monday'/'Thieves Like Us', where it's fragility was a plus. Thought the offshoots: Revenge, Electronic, The Other Two were all a bit lame. Hooky and the Light are a top night out. I gave the latest NO album a real go but ultimately nowt on it really grabbed me for long. Each to their own but I find it hard to compare/judge competitively summat like 'New Dawn Fades' against 'Confusion'. What do you think of this... |
|
|
|
Post by thevoid on May 27, 2019 19:25:40 GMT
We need a Syd Barrett movie
|
|
|
|
Post by danceswithclams on May 27, 2019 19:28:44 GMT
Unpopular opinion amongst muso cunts it may be but New Order are a gazillion times better than Joy Division. (I'm a fan of both bands by the way). I see them as different entities, three or maybe four bands. Joy Division left a flawless discography {except perhaps the live side of 'Still'. Then there were the largely Ian songs of early New Order. Then the New Order doing NY Disco and finding their own feet and identity {up to Technique.} Then the Barney lead version, at which point I stopped paying much interest. Never thought he had much of a voice as it was, just about pulls ojj 'Blue Monday'/'Thieves Like Us', where it's fragility was a plus. Thought the offshoots: Revenge, Electronic, The Other Two were all a bit lame. Hooky and the Light are a top night out. I gave the latest NO album a real go but ultimately nowt on it really grabbed me for long. Each to their own but I find it hard to compare/judge competitively summat like 'New Dawn Fades' against 'Confusion'. Honestly mate, the last New Order album (Music Complete - 2015) is up there with their best. I saw them twice on that tour plus at the Granada Studios thing they did with in 2017 Liam Gillick and the full synth orchestra (extensive review in that month's issue of Duck Magazine by me if you're interested) and even though Mr Hook was absent, all of the shows were fucking phenomenal. Folks might say that it's not the same band without Hooky but listen to People On The High Line from Music Complete and tell me that Tom Chapman is not a more than adequate replacement. Pure Bernard Edwards vibes on that track in particular. (I fucking love New Order just a bit btw) |
|
|
|
Post by wizzardofdribble on May 27, 2019 19:29:36 GMT
I remember seeing Pink Floyd at Bingley Hall @ 1977 on their Animals Tour..that year (I was 13) I first heard of Warsaw a Manchester punk band that changed their name to Joy Division a year later.
when Tony Wilson became their manager he dabbled a bit with the old fascist imagery as shown on JDs early Album covers.
At the time I thought JD were shit and the early New Order 'Movement' Albums were a bit monotonous.
JD only became heard of after Curtis died
Saw New Order in 1983 at the Viccy Hall and they were shit..2 months later in Wolverhampton they were brilliant with a fantastic rendition of that old JD classic 'Ceremony'
Their finest Album 'True Faith'
Blue Monday became the UKs biggest selling single 25 years after it was first released !!
Last saw them along with loads of other Manc bands at Jodrell Bank a few years ago.
Also saw them play at the Hacienda in the day.
Definitely one of my favourite bands of that era.
|
|
|
|
Post by cheeesfreeex on May 27, 2019 19:29:53 GMT
I see them as different entities, three or maybe four bands. Joy Division left a flawless discography {except perhaps the live side of 'Still'. Then there were the largely Ian songs of early New Order. Then the New Order doing NY Disco and finding their own feet and identity {up to Technique.} Then the Barney lead version, at which point I stopped paying much interest. Never thought he had much of a voice as it was, just about pulls ojj 'Blue Monday'/'Thieves Like Us', where it's fragility was a plus. Thought the offshoots: Revenge, Electronic, The Other Two were all a bit lame. Hooky and the Light are a top night out. I gave the latest NO album a real go but ultimately nowt on it really grabbed me for long. Each to their own but I find it hard to compare/judge competitively summat like 'New Dawn Fades' against 'Confusion'. What do you think of this... Unnecessary, pedestrian and eversoslightly sacrilegious. There's a full JD covers album which this was from I seem to remember, 'A Means to an End'. but tellingly don't remember many of the tracks on it. I like this though.... |
|
|
|
Post by cheeesfreeex on May 27, 2019 19:40:23 GMT
I see them as different entities, three or maybe four bands. Joy Division left a flawless discography {except perhaps the live side of 'Still'. Then there were the largely Ian songs of early New Order. Then the New Order doing NY Disco and finding their own feet and identity {up to Technique.} Then the Barney lead version, at which point I stopped paying much interest. Never thought he had much of a voice as it was, just about pulls ojj 'Blue Monday'/'Thieves Like Us', where it's fragility was a plus. Thought the offshoots: Revenge, Electronic, The Other Two were all a bit lame. Hooky and the Light are a top night out. I gave the latest NO album a real go but ultimately nowt on it really grabbed me for long. Each to their own but I find it hard to compare/judge competitively summat like 'New Dawn Fades' against 'Confusion'. Honestly mate, the last New Order album (Music Complete - 2015) is up there with their best. I saw them twice on that tour plus at the Granada Studios thing they did with in 2017 Liam Gillick and the full synth orchestra (extensive review in that month's issue of Duck Magazine by me if you're interested) and even though Mr Hook was absent, all of the shows were fucking phenomenal. Folks might say that it's not the same band without Hooky but listen to People On The High Line from Music Complete and tell me that Tom Chapman is not a more than adequate replacement. Pure Bernard Edwards vibes on that track in particular. (I fucking love New Order just a bit btw) I did try with it, and yes there was some funk in there. Didn't go myself but there was a bit of a do over the weekend in Manc, a jazz fest thing and 40th anniversary A Certain Ratio gig. Shadow Party supported featuring Chapman and the other NO guitar {and members of Devo}. Gillian and Steven in the audience apparently. 4/5ths NO in the room. I lived the JD thing, though sadly never got to see them before Curtis' demise. I was on a Lake District School holiday pumping the Youth Hostel club room jukebox with 'Love Will Tear Us Apart', as he was committing suicide. It seems Joy Division had a support slot with Souixsie in Stoke, so I could possibly have seen them {without travelling} but didn't. Made up with it by seeing New Order innumerable times. In hindsight the highlight of those shows was witnessing the rise and rise of the support band the mighty Mondays... I pretty much abandoned my interest in NO for them... And I may be alone in thinking JD are as depressing as hell. |
|
|
|
Post by telfordstoke on May 27, 2019 19:40:29 GMT
It’s a good quaestion, both bands who I love on album. Floyd are never the same after Watrrs went, so that may jaundice my opinion of the one show I saw them do, Earls Court 1994, was in middle of multiple nights at the venue and frankly they seemed bored and I certainly was. In comparison, I only ever saw NO live once ( no idea why cos they were brilliant) at Kentish Town In 1986 and they were stunning. Different bands, different merits but both eminently listenable still.
|
|
