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Post by wizzardofdribble on May 29, 2019 9:09:12 GMT
Former Ceramic Hobs frontman and current scriber of salacious tomes, Simon {Morris} says of New Order: "Christ, what a shitty band. The singer killed himself so they got the drummer's girlfriend in and limped on forever after changing their name to another tasteful Nazi reference, because music is what people do when they have no fucking idea what else to do with their lives and they know it's a world where emotional maturity is verboten and you get given drugs and the terminally clueless can get laid. I'll try to keep this brief. MOVEMENT (1981) - hugely embarrassing impersonation of their former selves. Like the X Factor version of Joy Division. Worthless. POWER, CORRUPTION AND LIES (1983) - a vast improvement with some pretty keyboard melodies - she had by now received some help plugging it in I believe - and three or four OK basslines. Finally one good lyric - "You've caught me at a bad time, so why don't you piss off". LOW-LIFE (1985) - if you have to endure any of these this is the one to go for. It encapsulates the thing they were trying to go for reasonably well and is competently played. Also has the single best Bernard Sumner line ever which really sums up his deep and meaningful weltanschauung. "Your hair is long and your eyes are blue, guess what I'm gonna do to you". BROTHERHOOD (1986) - Low-life Redux, boring. TECHNIQUE (1989) - features the paedophiliac anthem Fine Time amidst one or two 'mature' moves, boring. REPUBLIC (1993) - the money and drugs had run out so the band who all hated each other by now reformed for this cynical venture. Launch video with cast of Baywatch sums it up. So hard to even remember the title. GET READY (2001) - the therapists' bills, alimony etc were coming thick and fast for our heroes now and it was time to really 'rock out' with some daring new guitar stylings. Because rock n roll never dies, but the royalties do (thanks Alan). Guest vocals by Bobby Gillespie, no further comment needed. WAITING FOR THE SIRENS' CALL (2006) - all I'll say about this one is that it has the best and funniest artwork the great Peter Saville ever did for them. I didn't venture past this point. I may be completely insane but I'm not stupid. Now let's throw it over to the panel. Have some real music instead." *He went on to recommend a Blue Oyster Cult track. 'Then Came the Last Days of May'. Agree with Low Life being NOs finest hour but don't forget that Everything's Gone Green and IBM came off Movement Two massively influential tracks.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on May 29, 2019 9:19:18 GMT
No Bath.. That was the flip side of Blue Monday.. Blue Monday with words (not many) It was called 962 or something The track only lasted for 3 minutes.. They extended it and mixed it up a bit (Martin Hamnett re-mixed it) and they renamed it Blue Monday You're thinking of 5 8 6 from Power, Corruption, and LiesThat's the one. Cheers. 😄
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Post by cheeesfreeex on May 29, 2019 9:30:31 GMT
Former Ceramic Hobs frontman and current scriber of salacious tomes, Simon {Morris} says of New Order: "Christ, what a shitty band. The singer killed himself so they got the drummer's girlfriend in and limped on forever after changing their name to another tasteful Nazi reference, because music is what people do when they have no fucking idea what else to do with their lives and they know it's a world where emotional maturity is verboten and you get given drugs and the terminally clueless can get laid. I'll try to keep this brief. MOVEMENT (1981) - hugely embarrassing impersonation of their former selves. Like the X Factor version of Joy Division. Worthless. POWER, CORRUPTION AND LIES (1983) - a vast improvement with some pretty keyboard melodies - she had by now received some help plugging it in I believe - and three or four OK basslines. Finally one good lyric - "You've caught me at a bad time, so why don't you piss off". LOW-LIFE (1985) - if you have to endure any of these this is the one to go for. It encapsulates the thing they were trying to go for reasonably well and is competently played. Also has the single best Bernard Sumner line ever which really sums up his deep and meaningful weltanschauung. "Your hair is long and your eyes are blue, guess what I'm gonna do to you". BROTHERHOOD (1986) - Low-life Redux, boring. TECHNIQUE (1989) - features the paedophiliac anthem Fine Time amidst one or two 'mature' moves, boring. REPUBLIC (1993) - the money and drugs had run out so the band who all hated each other by now reformed for this cynical venture. Launch video with cast of Baywatch sums it up. So hard to even remember the title. GET READY (2001) - the therapists' bills, alimony etc were coming thick and fast for our heroes now and it was time to really 'rock out' with some daring new guitar stylings. Because rock n roll never dies, but the royalties do (thanks Alan). Guest vocals by Bobby Gillespie, no further comment needed. WAITING FOR THE SIRENS' CALL (2006) - all I'll say about this one is that it has the best and funniest artwork the great Peter Saville ever did for them. I didn't venture past this point. I may be completely insane but I'm not stupid. Now let's throw it over to the panel. Have some real music instead." *He went on to recommend a Blue Oyster Cult track. 'Then Came the Last Days of May'. Agree with Low Life being NOs finest hour but don't forget that Everything's Gone Green and IBM came off Movement Two massively influential tracks. I like Movement, moody as fuck. I'd have to double check but I'm sure in the early days New Order continued the JD mode of not putting singles on albums, and vice versa... 'Everything's Gone Green' was just such a 7" and 12". It originally appeared on the flip of the largely forgotten 'Procession' single. I thought 'Temptation' was similar to Everythings Gone Green, strong. The Beach was BM B side, and Beach Buggy was a later remix/release of Blue Monday I think. That NO Peel session was great, with the dubby 'Turn the Heater On', I think Danceswithclams may be correct, the '586' longer version on that has all the elements of Blue Monday imo. At this rate I'll be getting the Bundeswher vest and Deckers out, and getting an SS cut.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on May 29, 2019 10:01:15 GMT
Agree with Low Life being NOs finest hour but don't forget that Everything's Gone Green and IBM came off Movement Two massively influential tracks. I like Movement, moody as fuck. I'd have to double check but I'm sure in the early days New Order continued the JD mode of not putting singles on albums, and vice versa... 'Everything's Gone Green' was just such a 7" and 12". It originally appeared on the flip of the largely forgotten 'Procession' single. I thought 'Temptation' was similar to Everythings Gone Green, strong. The Beach was BM B side, and Beach Buggy was a later remix/release of Blue Monday I think. That NO Peel session was great, with the dubby 'Turn the Heater On', I think Danceswithclams may be correct, the '586' longer version on that has all the elements of Blue Monday imo. At this rate I'll be getting the Bundeswher vest and Deckers out, and getting an SS cut. Clams is right Great posts cheees
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Post by cheeesfreeex on May 29, 2019 14:39:36 GMT
Former Ceramic Hobs frontman and current scriber of salacious tomes, Simon {Morris} says of New Order: "Christ, what a shitty band. The singer killed himself so they got the drummer's girlfriend in and limped on forever after changing their name to another tasteful Nazi reference, because music is what people do when they have no fucking idea what else to do with their lives and they know it's a world where emotional maturity is verboten and you get given drugs and the terminally clueless can get laid. I'll try to keep this brief. MOVEMENT (1981) - hugely embarrassing impersonation of their former selves. Like the X Factor version of Joy Division. Worthless. POWER, CORRUPTION AND LIES (1983) - a vast improvement with some pretty keyboard melodies - she had by now received some help plugging it in I believe - and three or four OK basslines. Finally one good lyric - "You've caught me at a bad time, so why don't you piss off". LOW-LIFE (1985) - if you have to endure any of these this is the one to go for. It encapsulates the thing they were trying to go for reasonably well and is competently played. Also has the single best Bernard Sumner line ever which really sums up his deep and meaningful weltanschauung. "Your hair is long and your eyes are blue, guess what I'm gonna do to you". BROTHERHOOD (1986) - Low-life Redux, boring. TECHNIQUE (1989) - features the paedophiliac anthem Fine Time amidst one or two 'mature' moves, boring. REPUBLIC (1993) - the money and drugs had run out so the band who all hated each other by now reformed for this cynical venture. Launch video with cast of Baywatch sums it up. So hard to even remember the title. GET READY (2001) - the therapists' bills, alimony etc were coming thick and fast for our heroes now and it was time to really 'rock out' with some daring new guitar stylings. Because rock n roll never dies, but the royalties do (thanks Alan). Guest vocals by Bobby Gillespie, no further comment needed. WAITING FOR THE SIRENS' CALL (2006) - all I'll say about this one is that it has the best and funniest artwork the great Peter Saville ever did for them. I didn't venture past this point. I may be completely insane but I'm not stupid. Now let's throw it over to the panel. Have some real music instead." *He went on to recommend a Blue Oyster Cult track. 'Then Came the Last Days of May'. Can Ariadne get ready with the twine, Theseus has got lost again... Nurse! Maybe that algorithm at work, or just coincidence that that post should appear on my fb feed the very day you raised the NO debate. Thought it was interesting and shared it, as I share many of it's sentiments nowadays. Though I rate PC&L very highly. Then and still.
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Post by bathstoke on May 29, 2019 15:20:18 GMT
Can Ariadne get ready with the twine, Theseus has got lost again... Nurse! Maybe that algorithm at work, or just coincidence that that post should appear on my fb feed the very day you raised the NO debate. Thought it was interesting and shared it, as I share many of it's sentiments nowadays. Though I rate PC&L very highly. Then and still. What!?! You just copied & pasted the lot... & there was me thinking that you were an original thinker💡
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Post by cheeesfreeex on May 29, 2019 15:27:05 GMT
Maybe that algorithm at work, or just coincidence that that post should appear on my fb feed the very day you raised the NO debate. Thought it was interesting and shared it, as I share many of it's sentiments nowadays. Though I rate PC&L very highly. Then and still. What!?! You just copied & pasted the lot... & there was me thinking that you were an original thinker💡 I attributed it to Simon Morris of the Ceramic Hobs at the beginning. That isn't me. I didn't think the piece was particularly original other than the odd German word flung in for effect.
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Post by salopstick on May 29, 2019 15:54:09 GMT
Let’s all dance to joy division
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Post by cheeesfreeex on May 29, 2019 16:03:02 GMT
Let’s all dance to joy division Indeed
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Post by bathstoke on May 29, 2019 16:45:32 GMT
Hitler Youth(Swastika Emoji)
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Post by bathstoke on May 31, 2019 8:46:28 GMT
Unpopular opinion amongst muso cunts it may be but New Order are a gazillion times better than Joy Division. (I'm a fan of both bands by the way). I see them as different entities, three or maybe four bands. Joy Division left a flawless discography {except perhaps the live side of 'Still'. Then there were the largely Ian songs of early New Order. Then the New Order doing NY Disco and finding their own feet and identity {up to Technique.} Then the Barney lead version, at which point I stopped paying much interest. Never thought he had much of a voice as it was, just about pulls ojj 'Blue Monday'/'Thieves Like Us', where it's fragility was a plus. Thought the offshoots: Revenge, Electronic, The Other Two were all a bit lame. Hooky and the Light are a top night out. I gave the latest NO album a real go but ultimately nowt on it really grabbed me for long. Each to their own but I find it hard to compare/judge competitively summat like 'New Dawn Fades' against 'Confusion'. “& if the band you’re in starts playing different tunes...”
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jun 1, 2019 23:55:36 GMT
Former Ceramic Hobs frontman and current scriber of salacious tomes, Simon {Morris} says of New Order: "Christ, what a shitty band. The singer killed himself so they got the drummer's girlfriend in and limped on forever after changing their name to another tasteful Nazi reference, because music is what people do when they have no fucking idea what else to do with their lives and they know it's a world where emotional maturity is verboten and you get given drugs and the terminally clueless can get laid. I'll try to keep this brief. MOVEMENT (1981) - hugely embarrassing impersonation of their former selves. Like the X Factor version of Joy Division. Worthless. POWER, CORRUPTION AND LIES (1983) - a vast improvement with some pretty keyboard melodies - she had by now received some help plugging it in I believe - and three or four OK basslines. Finally one good lyric - "You've caught me at a bad time, so why don't you piss off". LOW-LIFE (1985) - if you have to endure any of these this is the one to go for. It encapsulates the thing they were trying to go for reasonably well and is competently played. Also has the single best Bernard Sumner line ever which really sums up his deep and meaningful weltanschauung. "Your hair is long and your eyes are blue, guess what I'm gonna do to you". BROTHERHOOD (1986) - Low-life Redux, boring. TECHNIQUE (1989) - features the paedophiliac anthem Fine Time amidst one or two 'mature' moves, boring. REPUBLIC (1993) - the money and drugs had run out so the band who all hated each other by now reformed for this cynical venture. Launch video with cast of Baywatch sums it up. So hard to even remember the title. GET READY (2001) - the therapists' bills, alimony etc were coming thick and fast for our heroes now and it was time to really 'rock out' with some daring new guitar stylings. Because rock n roll never dies, but the royalties do (thanks Alan). Guest vocals by Bobby Gillespie, no further comment needed. WAITING FOR THE SIRENS' CALL (2006) - all I'll say about this one is that it has the best and funniest artwork the great Peter Saville ever did for them. I didn't venture past this point. I may be completely insane but I'm not stupid. Now let's throw it over to the panel. Have some real music instead." *He went on to recommend a Blue Oyster Cult track. 'Then Came the Last Days of May'. Can Ariadne get ready with the twine, Theseus has got lost again... Nurse! Synchronicity in action or not? A mate stayed over for a few nights, left behind a Tupperware tub of spores. Left it on the top of a shelf and forgot to tell. My mushroom adventure Shi-Take and Golden Oysters seemed to have failed {in my absence}. I found said Tupperware tub two days ago in the place it'd been left with tiny mushrooms emerging from a split in the lid. They doubled in size in a day, so I sought advice... She said: "Put that box within another box, spray the 'shrooms but don't leave them in standing water. Keep them in the dark and waft them a couple of times a day. They're Blue Oysters, should be good."
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jun 2, 2019 0:54:17 GMT
I love how almost every music thread on here includes a mandatory mention of how someone saw The Sensational Alex Harvey Band in Stoke in the 70s (fucking Jethro Tull always gets crow-barred in somewhere also). I imagine everyone who posts on here to be like Tommy Saxondale I suppose you could always take an active part, redress any perceived imbalance and join the 'What Are You Listening To Now?' Popular Front. Post your preferences, take a stand.
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Post by bathstoke on Jun 3, 2019 18:35:19 GMT
I had a mate at the time who played wall to wall Pink Floyd no pun intended. Animals was impenetrable to me, not a huge fan of Meddle or Ummagumma either but hats off to you for standing through a PF Animals concert My older brother made me go..he was a big Pink Floyd fan..and Tangerine Dream as well. Fucking Hippy Where did he take you go watch TD...
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Post by bathstoke on Jun 3, 2019 18:44:18 GMT
A V good friend of mine who is sadly dead intodoced ne to both PF & Joy Division. I remember him saying that if you think JD are depressing, you just don’t get it. I would say the same about the Wall. Although it’s not as beautiful as some of their works, that’s the point. It’s about who we are... Joy Division are not depressing at all. Foreboding, ominous, minacious definitely, but not glum by any stretch. That said, they never wrote Bizarre Love Triangle or Subculture did they? And whilst the likes of Isolation has relentless, metronomic throb to it, you couldn't imagine tripping your nuts off to it at the Hac or Paradise Garage to it, could you? New Order are fucking boss. I am ambivalent at best towards The Floyd (although I did used work in a building that was owned by Nick Mason and had a pint with him once). I’ve got two copies of DubVulture & for my fortieth I got the DJ to play them simultaneously with a split second variance, to give it a haunting warped sound. He said it was the gayest thing he’d ever heard, but he is from London. He may have had a point.
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Post by felonious on Jun 3, 2019 19:16:23 GMT
Can Ariadne get ready with the twine, Theseus has got lost again... Nurse! Synchronicity in action or not? A mate stayed over for a few nights, left behind a Tupperware tub of spores. Left it on the top of a shelf and forgot to tell. My mushroom adventure Shi-Take and Golden Oysters seemed to have failed {in my absence}. I found said Tupperware tub two days ago in the place it'd been left with tiny mushrooms emerging from a split in the lid. They doubled in size in a day, so I sought advice... She said: "Put that box within another box, spray the 'shrooms but don't leave them in standing water. Keep them in the dark and waft them a couple of times a day. They're Blue Oysters, should be good." Pure Magic
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Post by telfordstoke on Jun 3, 2019 19:29:51 GMT
Synchronicity in action or not? A mate stayed over for a few nights, left behind a Tupperware tub of spores. Left it on the top of a shelf and forgot to tell. My mushroom adventure Shi-Take and Golden Oysters seemed to have failed {in my absence}. I found said Tupperware tub two days ago in the place it'd been left with tiny mushrooms emerging from a split in the lid. They doubled in size in a day, so I sought advice... She said: "Put that box within another box, spray the 'shrooms but don't leave them in standing water. Keep them in the dark and waft them a couple of times a day. They're Blue Oysters, should be good." Pure Magic This iS a GREAT flipping song, saw them once in late 80s and they played this, and car broke down on way home lol
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jun 3, 2019 19:34:51 GMT
My older brother made me go..he was a big Pink Floyd fan..and Tangerine Dream as well. Fucking Hippy Where did he take you go watch TD... We never saw TD or King Crimson (another one of his faves) just Pink Floyd and Yes & Led Zep
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Post by bathstoke on Jun 3, 2019 19:56:30 GMT
Where did he take you go watch TD... We never saw TD or King Crimson (another one of his faves) just Pink Floyd and Yes & Led Zep You poor B@$t@&d
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Post by felonious on Jun 4, 2019 5:40:51 GMT
Pure Magic This iS a GREAT flipping song, saw them once in late 80s and they played this, and car broke down on way home lol Apologies Telford I was referring to the narrative not the song.
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Post by redstriper on Jun 4, 2019 8:21:30 GMT
Can Ariadne get ready with the twine, Theseus has got lost again... Nurse! Maybe that algorithm at work, or just coincidence that that post should appear on my fb feed the very day you raised the NO debate. Thought it was interesting and shared it, as I share many of it's sentiments nowadays. Though I rate PC&L very highly. Then and still. Me too chees Thankfully my original vinyl copy of PC&L doesn't have Blue Monday on it - all the better for it as that song was the beginning of the decline for me - its one of my most played vinyls even now.
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Post by felonious on Jun 9, 2019 19:53:19 GMT
Interesting cover couldn't be much further away from the original.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 10, 2019 10:17:54 GMT
Peter Hook is coming here with an orchestra
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