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Afobe!
Apr 14, 2019 16:09:30 GMT
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Post by kelw on Apr 14, 2019 16:09:30 GMT
Who gives a fuck what the Rotherham commentator said, he hasn't watched us every week has he? And Afobe's performance after coming on was utterly wretched. He wouldn't get into a promotion chasing team. All three managers of the clubs you mention demand hard work and impressive movement from their forward players, they don't carry passengers. He's a proven goalscorer, 'proven'. It's what is behind them that's the problem, we don't create, it's that simple. He isn't really though is he? Good spell at Wolves but his record isn't that great at all...is OK no more
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Post by berahinosgoals on Apr 14, 2019 16:16:09 GMT
He's a proven goalscorer, 'proven'. It's what is behind them that's the problem, we don't create, it's that simple. He isn't really though is he? Good spell at Wolves but his record isn't that great at all...is OK no more It certainly won't be in this team, he's not a magician. Creativity is a midfield job. Yesterday we saw a simple cross come in from a makeshift full back, the result was a goal. It's funny what happens when people cross a target man a football into the box isn't it. Simplest goal you will ever see and it looked simple because that's vokes' bread and butter, only it's rare to see him get any put in for him, it's all about this inside forwards and playing between the lines rubbish. Same for afobe, play him balls where he wants them. It's a simple game, this league is shit and were making hard work of it by not doing the basics like playing to our strikers strengths.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 14, 2019 16:24:38 GMT
He isn't really though is he? Good spell at Wolves but his record isn't that great at all...is OK no more It certainly won't be in this team, he's not a magician. Creativity is a midfield job. Yesterday we saw a simple cross come in from a makeshift full back, the result was a goal. It's funny what happens when people cross a target man a football into the box isn't it. Simplest goal you will ever see and it looked simple because that's vokes' bread and butter, only it's rare to see him get any put in for him, it's all about this inside forwards and playing between the lines rubbish. Same for afobe, play him balls where he wants them. It's a simple game, this league is shit and were making hard work of it by not doing the basics like playing to our strikers strengths. Jesus, where to start with this. 1) It isn't a simple game and never has been. 2) Where does Afobe 'want them'? Because he's hardly ever in the kind of positions that a supposed 'goalscorer' gets into. You seem to think being a striker is just about hanging around and taking the chances when they drop on your toe. They have a role to play themselves, even De Bruyne, Silva, Messi and Modric would struggle to make much for a bloke who's perenially strolling back from an offside position or breaking into a light jog around the halfway line when we're trying to break. Vokes scored yesterday because he actually got into the box to meet a cross.
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Afobe!
Apr 14, 2019 16:32:11 GMT
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Post by berahinosgoals on Apr 14, 2019 16:32:11 GMT
It certainly won't be in this team, he's not a magician. Creativity is a midfield job. Yesterday we saw a simple cross come in from a makeshift full back, the result was a goal. It's funny what happens when people cross a target man a football into the box isn't it. Simplest goal you will ever see and it looked simple because that's vokes' bread and butter, only it's rare to see him get any put in for him, it's all about this inside forwards and playing between the lines rubbish. Same for afobe, play him balls where he wants them. It's a simple game, this league is shit and were making hard work of it by not doing the basics like playing to our strikers strengths. Jesus, where to start with this. 1) It isn't a simple game and never has been. 2) Where does Afobe 'want them'? Because he's hardly ever in the kind of positions that a supposed 'goalscorer' gets into. You seem to think being a striker is just about hanging around and taking the chances when they drop on your toe. They have a role to play themselves, even De Bruyne, Silva, Messi and Modric would struggle to make much for a bloke who's perenially strolling back from an offside position or breaking into a light jog around the halfway line when we're trying to break. Vokes scored yesterday because he actually got into the box to meet a cross. It is a simple game, especially in this league, 4231 the '3' are part of the problem, they arnt good enough, the other part of the problem is vokes & afobe dont suit it. I was never a fan of Shaqiri but I'm certain he would have assisted afobe many times this season by whipping his trademark pass through on the turn. None of McLean ince can do it. bojan isnt even capable of it any more. Allen an etebo don't do it, so who is? Full backs are also a hugely under estimated problem, they arnt a threat. And with all this we expect our strikers to work wonders..
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Afobe!
Apr 14, 2019 16:49:15 GMT
Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 14, 2019 16:49:15 GMT
Jesus, where to start with this. 1) It isn't a simple game and never has been. 2) Where does Afobe 'want them'? Because he's hardly ever in the kind of positions that a supposed 'goalscorer' gets into. You seem to think being a striker is just about hanging around and taking the chances when they drop on your toe. They have a role to play themselves, even De Bruyne, Silva, Messi and Modric would struggle to make much for a bloke who's perenially strolling back from an offside position or breaking into a light jog around the halfway line when we're trying to break. Vokes scored yesterday because he actually got into the box to meet a cross. It is a simple game, especially in this league, 4231 the '3' are part of the problem, they arnt good enough, the other part of the problem is vokes & afobe dont suit it. I was never a fan of Shaqiri but I'm certain he would have assisted afobe many times this season by whipping his trademark pass through on the turn. None of McLean ince can do it. bojan isnt even capable of it any more. Allen an etebo don't do it, so who is? Full backs are also a hugely under estimated problem, they arnt a threat. And with all this we expect our strikers to work wonders.. Norwich are one of the most tactically astute teams in the league. Look at the amount of preparation Bielsa puts into each game at Leeds. The days when this league was a haven for cloggers have passed, in spite of Cardiff's success last season. As the likes of TP and MON are finding out. Again, if Afobe could be arsed to run it'd make a big difference. He's a woeful fotballer but even if he was this master poacher you're making him out to be, he's not getting into good positions and he's not giving our players options for him with his movement.
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Afobe!
Apr 14, 2019 16:51:07 GMT
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Post by berahinosgoals on Apr 14, 2019 16:51:07 GMT
The only player I think we have to thread the balls through afobe thrives from is Ryan woods, we insist on playing him at the arse end of midfield though. Why not try him in a more advanced role, what are we going to lose?
Adam was an option but he's been at the ale and pies again by the looks of it
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2019 16:59:28 GMT
Played for England at every youth team level I think, what the bloody hell happened? He came to Wolves and from there onwards it's just been downhill!
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Afobe!
Apr 14, 2019 17:00:40 GMT
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Post by kelw on Apr 14, 2019 17:00:40 GMT
He isn't really though is he? Good spell at Wolves but his record isn't that great at all...is OK no more It certainly won't be in this team, he's not a magician. Creativity is a midfield job. Yesterday we saw a simple cross come in from a makeshift full back, the result was a goal. It's funny what happens when people cross a target man a football into the box isn't it. Simplest goal you will ever see and it looked simple because that's vokes' bread and butter, only it's rare to see him get any put in for him, it's all about this inside forwards and playing between the lines rubbish. Same for afobe, play him balls where he wants them. It's a simple game, this league is shit and were making hard work of it by not doing the basics like playing to our strikers strengths. Must have had the same problem at Bournemouth amongst others then
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 14, 2019 17:01:06 GMT
The only player I think we have to thread the balls through afobe thrives from is Ryan woods, we insist on playing him at the arse end of midfield though. Why not try him in a more advanced role, what are we going to lose? Adam was an option but he's been at the ale and pies again by the looks of it We could have Messi threading them through mate, doesn't make a difference if the bloke he's aiming for is standing around with his thumb up his arse not moving.
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Afobe!
Apr 14, 2019 17:04:30 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2019 17:04:30 GMT
Strikers’ all round play is a big factor in a team’s attacking play. How they knit the play together, lay it off, create space. He doesn’t have any of that. Even if he was just a pure, archaic, 1980s poacher, his movement is poor, he doesn’t get into the positions, he doesn’t make the runs, he doesn’t chase. Same old question isn't it, strikers set the world on fire everywhere else, come stoke and it all changes. Like i say, Bournemouth and wolves played into his strengths, we have shawcross, indi and baath twating the ball 60 yards up the pitch and expect him hold the ball up, not going happen. Myself personally I'd sign a workhorse striker to play alongside afobe as i don't think vokes would provide us with enough goals get us up but hey, it's all about opinions If your heart's content is a "workhorse striker" you don't have to sign one. We already have Diouf...
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Afobe!
Apr 14, 2019 17:04:52 GMT
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Post by berahinosgoals on Apr 14, 2019 17:04:52 GMT
The only player I think we have to thread the balls through afobe thrives from is Ryan woods, we insist on playing him at the arse end of midfield though. Why not try him in a more advanced role, what are we going to lose? Adam was an option but he's been at the ale and pies again by the looks of it We could have Messi threading them through mate, doesn't make a difference if the bloke he's aiming for is standing around with his thumb up his arse not moving. I know where you're coming from but if the chances were coming he'd be sharper and more confident. We lack a midfielder or even 2 with vision and passing ability. Even full backs can drag players out of position and open up a defence but ours dont. It's a dogs dinner.
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Afobe!
Apr 14, 2019 17:05:59 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Apr 14, 2019 17:05:59 GMT
He isn't really though is he? Good spell at Wolves but his record isn't that great at all...is OK no more It certainly won't be in this team, he's not a magician. Creativity is a midfield job. Yesterday we saw a simple cross come in from a makeshift full back, the result was a goal. It's funny what happens when people cross a target man a football into the box isn't it. Simplest goal you will ever see and it looked simple because that's vokes' bread and butter, only it's rare to see him get any put in for him, it's all about this inside forwards and playing between the lines rubbish. Same for afobe, play him balls where he wants them. It's a simple game, this league is shit and were making hard work of it by not doing the basics like playing to our strikers strengths. Where would he like the ball played, right onto the goal line so that he can stroll over and tap it in!!! He’s been underwhelming and a big disappointment
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Afobe!
Apr 14, 2019 17:16:04 GMT
Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 14, 2019 17:16:04 GMT
We could have Messi threading them through mate, doesn't make a difference if the bloke he's aiming for is standing around with his thumb up his arse not moving. I know where you're coming from but if the chances were coming he'd be sharper and more confident. We lack a midfielder or even 2 with vision and passing ability. Even full backs can drag players out of position and open up a defence but ours dont. It's a dogs dinner. Again, the chances aren't coming partially because he won't run to help create them. That's what good strikers do.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Apr 14, 2019 17:25:36 GMT
I know where you're coming from but if the chances were coming he'd be sharper and more confident. We lack a midfielder or even 2 with vision and passing ability. Even full backs can drag players out of position and open up a defence but ours dont. It's a dogs dinner. Again, the chances aren't coming partially because he won't run to help create them. That's what good strikers do. No çhance we are going up next season there is far too much to do. Jones has got to identify 2 formations, his diamond and a plan B and stick to it, he needs to identify who can (and wants to) play for him in them and rid the club of the rest, massive summer ahead, he has to be ruthless. Changing the manager (again) will only mess up the squad make-up further
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Afobe!
Apr 15, 2019 10:47:31 GMT
Post by nott1 on Apr 15, 2019 10:47:31 GMT
You also have to be ready and in the correct positions to get opportunities. He never is. Ready for the opportunities tgat don't come? When we've got left footed wide men on the left, right footed wide men on the right, decent full backs tgat are eager to get forward and a centre mid that gets forward to support, a player that can spot a pass and make it and afobe still isn't scoring I'll agree, until then (For me) the finger should be pointed at team mates. The team is shit with zero creativity and people are pointing at the strikers, really? We've got a player that can find the net, if you don't as a team provide for him he won't find the net. It doesn't get much simpler than that, he's got 10 players behind him, what are they doing to get the best from him? He was clean through last chance he had but was so slow he had to dive to get a penalty.He is useless.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 15, 2019 11:04:19 GMT
Ready for the opportunities tgat don't come? When we've got left footed wide men on the left, right footed wide men on the right, decent full backs tgat are eager to get forward and a centre mid that gets forward to support, a player that can spot a pass and make it and afobe still isn't scoring I'll agree, until then (For me) the finger should be pointed at team mates. The team is shit with zero creativity and people are pointing at the strikers, really? We've got a player that can find the net, if you don't as a team provide for him he won't find the net. It doesn't get much simpler than that, he's got 10 players behind him, what are they doing to get the best from him? He was clean through last chance he had but was so slow he had to dive to get a penalty.He is useless. There was an occasion on Saturday where he tried to control the ball with one foot, missed it, it hit his other knee and bounced away and he had toslide in to tackle the Rotherham player who had been 10 yards away. He is an awful footballer and if he's not scoring brings nothing else to the game.
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Afobe!
Apr 15, 2019 12:09:50 GMT
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Post by berahinosgoals on Apr 15, 2019 12:09:50 GMT
Ready for the opportunities tgat don't come? When we've got left footed wide men on the left, right footed wide men on the right, decent full backs tgat are eager to get forward and a centre mid that gets forward to support, a player that can spot a pass and make it and afobe still isn't scoring I'll agree, until then (For me) the finger should be pointed at team mates. The team is shit with zero creativity and people are pointing at the strikers, really? We've got a player that can find the net, if you don't as a team provide for him he won't find the net. It doesn't get much simpler than that, he's got 10 players behind him, what are they doing to get the best from him? He was clean through last chance he had but was so slow he had to dive to get a penalty.He is useless. Fair enough, thing is though we create so few chances we expect our strikers to have 100% hit rate or they're labelled shit. Any striker who has a 100% chance to goal ratio.. the chances are they won't be in a second tier league
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Afobe!
Apr 15, 2019 14:32:05 GMT
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Post by iplayinthehole on Apr 15, 2019 14:32:05 GMT
He's not as good as Benny Kafobi
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