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Afobe!
Apr 13, 2019 20:49:52 GMT
Post by robwahlmann on Apr 13, 2019 20:49:52 GMT
Two of those are penalties and I think he has missed two penalties as well. So if them 2 Penn had gone in he'd be on 10 goals in a team that creates jack shit. The guy is a 30 goal a season man if he can hit 10 a season for this current steaming pile of shit 😁 Should be easy to get rid then!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 13, 2019 20:50:54 GMT
You can tell afobe has what it takes to score goals, the confidence and presence but we just don't create the right kind of chances for him. What presence? He’s weak as piss and lazy with it.
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Afobe!
Apr 13, 2019 20:52:23 GMT
Post by kidcrewbob on Apr 13, 2019 20:52:23 GMT
Wolves had our pants down with this one - an appalling deal on similar lines to Palacios........they have a good foreign coach and backroom team tho...
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Afobe!
Apr 13, 2019 20:53:24 GMT
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Post by TinkerT on Apr 13, 2019 20:53:24 GMT
You can tell afobe has what it takes to score goals, the confidence and presence but we just don't create the right kind of chances for him. What presence? He’s weak as piss and lazy with it. Yes he is weak but he's not a target man, He's a finisher. Just don't think his style fits in with what stoke fans/jones expect.
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Afobe!
Apr 13, 2019 20:53:36 GMT
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Post by berahinosgoals on Apr 13, 2019 20:53:36 GMT
So if them 2 Penn had gone in he'd be on 10 goals in a team that creates jack shit. The guy is a 30 goal a season man if he can hit 10 a season for this current steaming pile of shit 😁 Should be easy to get rid then! This guy will double that tally when we're creating chances imo. Sort the service out, it isn't the strikers. I was only on about how nobody puts crosses in for vokes to attack the other day, as if by magic he gets one to attack today by Williams of all people and surprise surprise he scores a goal. They need opportunities to score, it's not rocket science
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Afobe!
Apr 13, 2019 20:53:41 GMT
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Post by smallthorner on Apr 13, 2019 20:53:41 GMT
If he's the answer, Christ knows what the question is. Sadly he'll be on about 30k-a-week. Answers on a postcard to the question "which club who'd pay £5-6m for him could afford that?" Either we wave a magic wand in pre-season or he joins the Imbula/Wimmer/Ndiaye shit stockpile for X years. You forgot Berahino.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 13, 2019 20:56:42 GMT
What presence? He’s weak as piss and lazy with it. Yes he is weak but he's not a target man, He's a finisher. Just don't think his style fits in with what stoke fans/jones expect. It didn’t fit with what Rowett expected either. It’s not enough to just be a finisher anymore. You have to have more to your game. He’s a poor footballer and can’t be arsed. He can’t even be bothered to get back onside, he doesn’t anticipate anything.
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Afobe!
Apr 13, 2019 20:57:46 GMT
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Post by stantheman on Apr 13, 2019 20:57:46 GMT
What gets me us the fact that we agreed to the stupidest of stupid deals when we took him on loan at the start of the season. He didnt exactly set the world on fire, but we were commited to buyung him. Remind me how much Wolves fleeced us for?
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Afobe!
Apr 13, 2019 20:59:05 GMT
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Post by lordb on Apr 13, 2019 20:59:05 GMT
What presence? He’s weak as piss and lazy with it. Yes he is weak but he's not a target man, He's a finisher. Just don't think his style fits in with what stoke fans/jones expect. What style? He makes all the wrong runs,or doesn't run when he should. He literally stands still awaiting crosses,he must be the easiest player to mark in that situation ever.
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Post by TinkerT on Apr 13, 2019 21:00:07 GMT
Yes he is weak but he's not a target man, He's a finisher. Just don't think his style fits in with what stoke fans/jones expect. It didn’t fit with what Rowett expected either. It’s not enough to just be a finisher anymore. You have to have more to your game. He’s a poor footballer and can’t be arsed. He can’t even be bothered to get back onside, he doesn’t anticipate anything. We need goals and afobe would provide them (given the service). You need to be scoring at least 60 goals through the season to go up, afobe alongside vokes with decent wingers who can chip in would push us on the way, although i still don't have confidence in vokes getting 15/20 for us..
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 13, 2019 21:01:56 GMT
What gets me us the fact that we agreed to the stupidest of stupid deals when we took him on loan at the start of the season. He didnt exactly set the world on fire, but we were commited to buyung him. Remind me how much Wolves fleeced us for? TWELVE POINT FIVE MILLION POUNDS STERLING! Dunno if it's quite in the Wimmer/Imbula/Berahino stratosphere, but it's as near as damn it!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 13, 2019 21:04:26 GMT
It didn’t fit with what Rowett expected either. It’s not enough to just be a finisher anymore. You have to have more to your game. He’s a poor footballer and can’t be arsed. He can’t even be bothered to get back onside, he doesn’t anticipate anything. We need goals and afobe would provide them (given the service). You need to be scoring at least 60 goals through the season to go up, afobe alongside vokes with decent wingers who can chip in would push us on the way, although i still don't have confidence in vokes getting 15/20 for us.. Strikers’ all round play is a big factor in a team’s attacking play. How they knit the play together, lay it off, create space. He doesn’t have any of that. Even if he was just a pure, archaic, 1980s poacher, his movement is poor, he doesn’t get into the positions, he doesn’t make the runs, he doesn’t chase.
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Afobe!
Apr 13, 2019 21:06:10 GMT
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Post by berahinosgoals on Apr 13, 2019 21:06:10 GMT
It didn’t fit with what Rowett expected either. It’s not enough to just be a finisher anymore. You have to have more to your game. He’s a poor footballer and can’t be arsed. He can’t even be bothered to get back onside, he doesn’t anticipate anything. We need goals and afobe would provide them (given the service). You need to be scoring at least 60 goals through the season to go up, afobe alongside vokes with decent wingers who can chip in would push us on the way, although i still don't have confidence in vokes getting 15/20 for us.. Decent full backs that are eager to get forward and cross will make a big difference, as would wingers that like to run with the ball at pace & have their best foot the sam side as the side of the pitch they play on. This inside forward business is rubbish, playing between the lines, trying to undo opposition with clever play that rarely pays off, you need intelligent & technically good players to work that as good as intended. Running at pace and crossing the ball all day everyday for me
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Afobe!
Apr 13, 2019 21:09:52 GMT
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Post by TinkerT on Apr 13, 2019 21:09:52 GMT
We need goals and afobe would provide them (given the service). You need to be scoring at least 60 goals through the season to go up, afobe alongside vokes with decent wingers who can chip in would push us on the way, although i still don't have confidence in vokes getting 15/20 for us.. Strikers’ all round play is a big factor in a team’s attacking play. How they knit the play together, lay it off, create space. He doesn’t have any of that. Even if he was just a pure, archaic, 1980s poacher, his movement is poor, he doesn’t get into the positions, he doesn’t make the runs, he doesn’t chase. Same old question isn't it, strikers set the world on fire everywhere else, come stoke and it all changes. Like i say, Bournemouth and wolves played into his strengths, we have shawcross, indi and baath twating the ball 60 yards up the pitch and expect him hold the ball up, not going happen. Myself personally I'd sign a workhorse striker to play alongside afobe as i don't think vokes would provide us with enough goals get us up but hey, it's all about opinions
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 21:11:06 GMT
Every man and his dog watched how wank he was for Bournemouth in the PL.
He got some goals for a very good free scoring Wolves.
It's not suprise to me he's as wank as he was at Bournemouth.
The same can be said for Ince who was shite last season at Huddersfield, McLean who has been wank for the last decade mainly at West Brom, Clucas who was average for Swansea, Williams who was embarrassing on occasions for Everton last year....
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 13, 2019 21:13:06 GMT
Strikers’ all round play is a big factor in a team’s attacking play. How they knit the play together, lay it off, create space. He doesn’t have any of that. Even if he was just a pure, archaic, 1980s poacher, his movement is poor, he doesn’t get into the positions, he doesn’t make the runs, he doesn’t chase. Same old question isn't it, strikers set the world on fire everywhere else, come stoke and it all changes. Like i say, Bournemouth and wolves played into his strengths, we have shawcross, indi and baath twating the ball 60 yards up the pitch and expect him hold the ball up, not going happen. Myself personally I'd sign a workhorse striker to play alongside afobe as i don't think vokes would provide us with enough goals get us up but hey, it's all about opinions Vokes has scored at this level before but again, his game isn’t about goals - he’s a proven foil for a goal scorer and has been throughout his career. Even at Bournemouth and Wolves Afobe faced accusations of laziness and it’s nobody else’s fault that he won’t run and can’t control a football or win a header is it?
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Afobe!
Apr 13, 2019 21:15:54 GMT
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Post by TinkerT on Apr 13, 2019 21:15:54 GMT
Same old question isn't it, strikers set the world on fire everywhere else, come stoke and it all changes. Like i say, Bournemouth and wolves played into his strengths, we have shawcross, indi and baath twating the ball 60 yards up the pitch and expect him hold the ball up, not going happen. Myself personally I'd sign a workhorse striker to play alongside afobe as i don't think vokes would provide us with enough goals get us up but hey, it's all about opinions Vokes has scored at this level before but again, his game isn’t about goals - he’s a proven foil for a goal scorer and has been throughout his career. Even at Bournemouth and Wolves Afobe faced accusations of laziness and it’s nobody else’s fault that he won’t run and can’t control a football or win a header is it? Vokes at burnley played a totally different way to what we want to play and had bad injuries between then and now, no way would he stay fit to be good enough score at least 15 goals. We are up shit creek, we don't score from set plays, we hardly ever have goals scored from midfield and it would be a miracle if a winger got double figures.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 13, 2019 21:17:31 GMT
Vokes has scored at this level before but again, his game isn’t about goals - he’s a proven foil for a goal scorer and has been throughout his career. Even at Bournemouth and Wolves Afobe faced accusations of laziness and it’s nobody else’s fault that he won’t run and can’t control a football or win a header is it? Vokes at burnley played a totally different way to what we want to play and had bad injuries between then and now, no way would he stay fit to be good enough score at least 15 goals. We are up shit creek, we don't score from set plays, we hardly ever have goals scored from midfield and it would be a miracle if a winger got double figures. There’s a lot of hysteria about Vokes, he’s a fucking mile more rounded as a footballer than Afobe.
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Afobe!
Apr 13, 2019 21:19:28 GMT
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Post by TinkerT on Apr 13, 2019 21:19:28 GMT
Vokes at burnley played a totally different way to what we want to play and had bad injuries between then and now, no way would he stay fit to be good enough score at least 15 goals. We are up shit creek, we don't score from set plays, we hardly ever have goals scored from midfield and it would be a miracle if a winger got double figures. There’s a lot of hysteria about Vokes, he’s a fucking mile more rounded as a footballer than Afobe. Give both the same game time and afobe would score more. Wolves and Bournemouth played the way jones is trying to build and Burnley didn't, also vokes can't stay fit.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 21:20:38 GMT
Vokes at burnley played a totally different way to what we want to play and had bad injuries between then and now, no way would he stay fit to be good enough score at least 15 goals. We are up shit creek, we don't score from set plays, we hardly ever have goals scored from midfield and it would be a miracle if a winger got double figures. There’s a lot of hysteria about Vokes, he’s a fucking mile more rounded as a footballer than Afobe. I don't mind Vokes but you have to get players around him and balls into the box. Bojan tries to create so isn't that man so you've got to get your wingers / inside forwards there with full backs overlapping. When those players are Indi, Williams, Clucas and to a lesser extent McLean youve got no chance which is why Bojan and Vokes looked so poor today
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 13, 2019 21:21:58 GMT
There’s a lot of hysteria about Vokes, he’s a fucking mile more rounded as a footballer than Afobe. Give both the same game time and afobe would score more. Wolves and Bournemouth played the way jones is trying to build and Burnley didn't, also vokes can't stay fit. Wolves and Bournemouth both got rid of him. It doesn’t matter if Vokes doesn’t score more if his all round play helps the team more. That’s of more value than a bloke who’s just a poacher who has no other tools to bring. And again, you’re talking about the best version of Afobe, not the lazy shitehawk we’ve got.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 13, 2019 21:22:21 GMT
There’s a lot of hysteria about Vokes, he’s a fucking mile more rounded as a footballer than Afobe. I don't mind Vokes but you have to get players around him and balls into the box. Bojan tries to create so isn't that man so you've got to get your wingers / inside forwards there with full backs overlapping. When those players are Indi, Williams, Clucas and to a lesser extent McLean youve got no chance which is why Bojan and Vokes looked so poor today Completely agree.
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Afobe!
Apr 13, 2019 21:27:27 GMT
Post by Pugsley on Apr 13, 2019 21:27:27 GMT
I said Afobe was a camel when he joined, around the same time most people were creaming their underwear over him. Like the rest of Rowett's signings, absolute dross to a man.
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Afobe!
Apr 13, 2019 21:35:39 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Apr 13, 2019 21:35:39 GMT
I said Afobe was a camel when he joined, around the same time most people were creaming their underwear over him. Like the rest of Rowett's signings, absolute dross to a man. Yep you called that one Pugs but you also said Batth was a donkey and he(haw) seems to be doing alright 🤣
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Afobe!
Apr 13, 2019 21:35:54 GMT
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Post by rambo61 on Apr 13, 2019 21:35:54 GMT
What presence? He’s weak as piss and lazy with it. Yes he is weak but he's not a target man, He's a finisher. Just don't think his style fits in with what stoke fans/jones expect. he couldnt finish me if I was on my vinegar stroke!!!!😡😡
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 13, 2019 21:38:33 GMT
I said Afobe was a camel when he joined, around the same time most people were creaming their underwear over him. Like the rest of Rowett's signings, absolute dross to a man. Yep you called that one Pugs but you also said Batth was a donkey and he(haw) seems to be doing alright 🤣 He's been here 10 minutes and we've just conceded 5 against 2 poor sides. He's done alright, the main thing being getting Ryan back to some form.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 13, 2019 21:39:48 GMT
Yep you called that one Pugs but you also said Batth was a donkey and he(haw) seems to be doing alright 🤣 He's been here 10 minutes and we've just conceded 5 against 2 poor sides. He's done alright, the main thing being getting Ryan back to some form. Skillful sidestep of the five clean sheets in a row there...
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Afobe!
Apr 13, 2019 21:43:35 GMT
Post by Pugsley on Apr 13, 2019 21:43:35 GMT
He's been here 10 minutes and we've just conceded 5 against 2 poor sides. He's done alright, the main thing being getting Ryan back to some form. Skillful sidestep of the five clean sheets in a row there... Big deal, he's done alright. I'm not convinced he's any good. Loves a hoof though, which ticks a box for a lot of Stoke fans.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 13, 2019 21:46:22 GMT
Skillful sidestep of the five clean sheets in a row there... Big deal, he's done alright. I'm not convinced he's any good. Loves a hoof though, which ticks a box for a lot of Stoke fans. He deserves credit for that if we’re apportioning blame to him for conceding five in our last two games, can’t have it both ways. He has leadership qualities we were lacking. He’s not the best on the ball but not every centre half has to be Alessandro Nesta.
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Apr 13, 2019 21:46:25 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Apr 13, 2019 21:46:25 GMT
Skillful sidestep of the five clean sheets in a row there... Big deal, he's done alright. I'm not convinced he's any good. Loves a hoof though, which ticks a box for a lot of Stoke fans. I’ll take the hoofing if it’s part and parcel of a committed defender who appears to have excellent positional awareness, decent tackler and leadership quality
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