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Post by liathroid on May 4, 2019 13:45:27 GMT
Would be really pleased with this. Better keeper than Butland IMHO. well each to their own
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Post by FullerMagic on May 4, 2019 13:50:50 GMT
It'd come down to the transfer fee and package.
If Bournemouth wanted him gone, in the same way we'll have to work this summer, presumably Bournemouth will have to ease his way out by part subsidising his wages, rather than have him sitting on the bench on an exorbitant wage until 2021.
He's only 31, was very good - and there's no reason why he couldn't be again.
He and Quy did seem to gel well and get him playing well for 5 years - and would imagine Jones would be heavily influenced by a strong recommendation from him.
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 4, 2019 13:54:15 GMT
People dissing a likely Begovic return need to get their head out the clouds. We're now a mediocre Championship club who unfortunately can't pick off the youngest or best talent that's out there anymore. A move to Stoke would rejuvenate Begovic In my opinion & it could be classed as a coup to get a keeper of this quality back in our current predicament. I agree that football shouldn't be about sentiment, but that aside an experienced Premier League keeper whose clearly available in the summer & just happened to play for us previously is likely to sign, that's no bad thing. Talking of clouds, they seem to be helping you to conveniently ignore the fact he refused to play for the club, Bera, McClean, Clucas etc do that and you'd want them fined/sacked/sold yet we're meant be happy to resign someone thats already done it to us, no thanks.
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Post by callas12 on May 4, 2019 14:02:57 GMT
People dissing a likely Begovic return need to get their head out the clouds. We're now a mediocre Championship club who unfortunately can't pick off the youngest or best talent that's out there anymore. A move to Stoke would rejuvenate Begovic In my opinion & it could be classed as a coup to get a keeper of this quality back in our current predicament. I agree that football shouldn't be about sentiment, but that aside an experienced Premier League keeper whose clearly available in the summer & just happened to play for us previously is likely to sign, that's no bad thing. Talking of clouds, they seem to be helping you to conveniently ignore the fact he refused to play for the club, Bera, McClean, Clucas etc do that and you'd want them fined/sacked/sold yet we're meant be happy to resign someone thats already done it to us, no thanks. Not ignoring at all, very aware of what what happened but just not blinded by the past like some clearly are. The incident your mentioning was a one off, he was younger & naive then & it was widely reported that he was badly advised by his agent. He's dropping a league & likely to take a pay cut to come back to Stoke now, fact he's happy to do that shows enough commitment to the cause to make me unconcerned by the past.
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 4, 2019 14:06:53 GMT
Talking of clouds, they seem to be helping you to conveniently ignore the fact he refused to play for the club, Bera, McClean, Clucas etc do that and you'd want them fined/sacked/sold yet we're meant be happy to resign someone thats already done it to us, no thanks. Not ignoring at all, very aware of what what happened but just not blinded by the past like some clearly are. The incident your mentioning was a one off, he was younger & naive then & it was widely reported that he was badly advised by his agent. He's dropping a league & likely to take a pay cut to come back to Stoke now, fact he's happy to do that shows enough commitment to the cause to make me unconcerned by the past. It doesn't matter how long ago it was, it shows the character of the man and we can do without it.
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Post by GeneralFaye on May 4, 2019 14:16:08 GMT
Talking of clouds, they seem to be helping you to conveniently ignore the fact he refused to play for the club, Bera, McClean, Clucas etc do that and you'd want them fined/sacked/sold yet we're meant be happy to resign someone thats already done it to us, no thanks. Not ignoring at all, very aware of what what happened but just not blinded by the past like some clearly are. The incident your mentioning was a one off, he was younger & naive then & it was widely reported that he was badly advised by his agent. He's dropping a league & likely to take a pay cut to come back to Stoke now, fact he's happy to do that shows enough commitment to the cause to make me unconcerned by the past. He was very good, I haven't seen anyone who has denied that. However, you can't ignore the fact he started making mistakes towards the end of his time with us. He then went to Chelsea and spent the best part of 2 years not playing and when he did, looked totally out of his depth and thus lost all his confidence. Now at Bournemouth, you would've thought playing regularly would've brought his form back but it simply hasn't happened. He looks an utter shadow of what he used to be. To lose your place to a journeyman like Boruc twice in the same season and now to a teenager is a sign he isn't good enough anymore, is it not?! This has nothing to do with having my "head in the clouds", I'm well aware of where we're at as a club. I just think it's utterly ridiculous to suggest there isn't another goalkeeper out now we could sign. It doesn't have to be a "name" and I hope the club comes out of that way of thinking when it comes to our summer signings. Plenty of decent keepers about without the baggage Begovic will bring with him.
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Post by callas12 on May 4, 2019 14:29:31 GMT
Not ignoring at all, very aware of what what happened but just not blinded by the past like some clearly are. The incident your mentioning was a one off, he was younger & naive then & it was widely reported that he was badly advised by his agent. He's dropping a league & likely to take a pay cut to come back to Stoke now, fact he's happy to do that shows enough commitment to the cause to make me unconcerned by the past. It doesn't matter how long ago it was, it shows the character of the man and we can do without it. Disagree but if that's your opinion & your refusing to budge or let bygones be bygones then so be it. All I'll say is Peter Odemwingie once refused to play for WBA to force a move & he subsequently played for us and all was absolutely fine. He's even featured on the latest WBA kit release video so no hard feelings there. Would Liverpool take Raheem Sterling back right now, Leicester Mahrez, Southampton Van Dijk etc etc if they all expressed an interest in going back, I'm sure they would in a flash & them cases were far more high profile than Begovic refusing to play what I think turned out to only be one game anyway..
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 4, 2019 14:39:39 GMT
It doesn't matter how long ago it was, it shows the character of the man and we can do without it. Disagree but if that's your opinion & your refusing to budge or let bygones be bygones then so be it. All I'll say is Peter Odemwingie once refused to play for WBA to force a move & he subsequently played for us and all was absolutely fine. He's even featured on the latest WBA kit release video so no hard feelings there. Would Liverpool take Raheem Sterling back right now, Leicester Mahrez, Southampton Van Dijk etc etc if they all expressed an interest in going back, I'm sure they would in a flash & them cases were far more high profile than Begovic refusing to play what I think turned out to only be one game anyway.. They probably would but that doesn't really concern me tbh, one game is one too many. I'm saying this before taking into account his total failure of any form since he left Stoke too, there's just too much going on with him to make it worth a risk imo.
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Post by callas12 on May 4, 2019 14:55:14 GMT
Disagree but if that's your opinion & your refusing to budge or let bygones be bygones then so be it. All I'll say is Peter Odemwingie once refused to play for WBA to force a move & he subsequently played for us and all was absolutely fine. He's even featured on the latest WBA kit release video so no hard feelings there. Would Liverpool take Raheem Sterling back right now, Leicester Mahrez, Southampton Van Dijk etc etc if they all expressed an interest in going back, I'm sure they would in a flash & them cases were far more high profile than Begovic refusing to play what I think turned out to only be one game anyway.. They probably would but that doesn't really concern me tbh, one game is one too many. I'm saying this before taking into account his total failure of any form since he left Stoke too, there's just too much going on with him to make it worth a risk imo. Fair do's.. Understand your take on it & I'm in no way condoning his refusing to play episode but can just see passed it. On his form front I guess it could be a gamble but if he does sign as does seem likely I do hope that a regular run & being back in familiar surroundings could bring about a second coming. Somethings clearly gone on behind the scenes with him in the dressing room at Bournemouth & the playing one week, dropped the next between him & Boruc throughout the season doesn't seem to have done either of them any favours. Time will tell I guess on all fronts
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Post by callas12 on May 4, 2019 15:03:29 GMT
Not ignoring at all, very aware of what what happened but just not blinded by the past like some clearly are. The incident your mentioning was a one off, he was younger & naive then & it was widely reported that he was badly advised by his agent. He's dropping a league & likely to take a pay cut to come back to Stoke now, fact he's happy to do that shows enough commitment to the cause to make me unconcerned by the past. He was very good, I haven't seen anyone who has denied that. However, you can't ignore the fact he started making mistakes towards the end of his time with us. He then went to Chelsea and spent the best part of 2 years not playing and when he did, looked totally out of his depth and thus lost all his confidence. Now at Bournemouth, you would've thought playing regularly would've brought his form back but it simply hasn't happened. He looks an utter shadow of what he used to be. To lose your place to a journeyman like Boruc twice in the same season and now to a teenager is a sign he isn't good enough anymore, is it not?! This has nothing to do with having my "head in the clouds", I'm well aware of where we're at as a club. I just think it's utterly ridiculous to suggest there isn't another goalkeeper out now we could sign. It doesn't have to be a "name" and I hope the club comes out of that way of thinking when it comes to our summer signings. Plenty of decent keepers about without the baggage Begovic will bring with him. It's looking like a Bego return could be a marmite signing & think the fan base could well be torn on it if it happens. I think the future of Adam Federici is more key as although he has one year left on his contract he may not feature in Jones plans or may want a move to try to get 1st team action. If he leaves we have no experience in the keeper positions. It does seem as though all our current crop of keepers will be off in the summer so maybe Jones does have plans to bring some younger prospects in from lower leagues perhaps. As experience is so important in the keeper positions, maybe Bego is someone he sees to fill that role while tutoring the new keeper in the same way Bego did with Butland.. Big summer ahead all round but his movement in the keeper departments could be an important factor to get right & form an important basis for the rest of the squad.
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Post by jewsbury on May 4, 2019 15:08:53 GMT
Would love Bego back. A move back would completely revitalise him, his confidence will get a boost when he gets the clap defending the boothen again.
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Post by followyoudown on May 4, 2019 18:22:58 GMT
Would love Bego back. A move back would completely revitalise him, his confidence will get a boost when he gets the clap defending the boothen again. You fukkers in the boothen need to get down the clinic Be amazed if we sign him not a bad keeper still but if we do sign him pretty clear sign transfer policy is not in Nathan's hands which would worry me as no way I see him at the cost he would be being on Jones's list.
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on May 5, 2019 9:12:41 GMT
Fact is he was prepared to sit on the bench at Chelsea for big money...why wouldn't he do it again? There will be plenty of Prem teams will take him as a no 2. Has he still got an appetite for WANTING to play?
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Post by lordb on May 5, 2019 9:14:43 GMT
Fact is he was prepared to sit on the bench at Chelsea for big money...why wouldn't he do it again? There will be plenty of Prem teams will take him as a no 2. Has he still got an appetite for WANTING to play? Yes, that's why he's leaving Bournemouth/fallen out with Howe.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 5, 2019 15:24:36 GMT
Very strange story from Spinksy. I wonder...
Stoke would only consider any kind of deal now if they could line up an immediate and suitable replacement by Thursday’s 5pm deadline.
And that is shining the light back on Bournemouth because they have shown as much interest as anyone in Butland - and they have a ready-made replacement to offer Stoke.
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Post by camstoke10 on Aug 5, 2019 15:26:45 GMT
Very strange story from Spinksy. I wonder... Stoke would only consider any kind of deal now if they could line up an immediate and suitable replacement by Thursday’s 5pm deadline. And that is shining the light back on Bournemouth because they have shown as much interest as anyone in Butland - and they have a ready-made replacement to offer Stoke. 10 million plus Ibe and begovic and I’d be happy although I really think jack is a class keeper
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Post by dirtygary69 on Aug 5, 2019 15:28:25 GMT
No. Unless they've decided Davies isn't very good which is doubtful. Did we get to the bottom of him not being on the bench?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 5, 2019 15:31:27 GMT
Bego would be the best 'keeper in the league.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 15:32:24 GMT
I've always liked bego more than jack
Thinking about it tho, was begovic good due to TP's 8 man solid defence in front of him?
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Post by rawli on Aug 5, 2019 15:33:56 GMT
Why the fuck did we buy Davies then?
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Post by apb1 on Aug 5, 2019 15:39:25 GMT
I've always liked bego more than jack Thinking about it tho, was begovic good due to TP's 8 man solid defence in front of him? 😁 I don't think so. When there was a one v one I always backed him to save it. Not sure how good he'll be now but he was a superb keeper for us, as was Tommy before him. Depressing where we've ended up..
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 5, 2019 15:43:52 GMT
Why the fuck did we buy Davies then? Penny for his thoughts if Butland goes and Asmir comes in as No.1.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 15:45:40 GMT
No. Unless they've decided Davies isn't very good which is doubtful. Did we get to the bottom of him not being on the bench? Late back from preseason due to international commitments, the only thing I can think of is that they’re still doing some work with him in the background to get him ready for the new season.....
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 5, 2019 15:49:01 GMT
No. Unless they've decided Davies isn't very good which is doubtful. Did we get to the bottom of him not being on the bench? Late back from preseason due to international commitments, the only thing I can think of is that they’re still doing some work with him in the background to get him ready for the new season..... He was only a week late though, wasn't he? His absence from the bench was..er....interesting. And if the only way we'd let Butland go is if we get a keeper of Begovic's calibre, it doesn't suggest that we're looking for a new No.3 - rather we're looking for a No.1 to come in at the top of the keeper pool? All a bit strange if Spinksy's article is in any way informed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 15:49:06 GMT
Very strange story from Spinksy. I wonder... Stoke would only consider any kind of deal now if they could line up an immediate and suitable replacement by Thursday’s 5pm deadline. And that is shining the light back on Bournemouth because they have shown as much interest as anyone in Butland - and they have a ready-made replacement to offer Stoke. That's lovely, Sponksy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 16:03:50 GMT
I'd be very happy if thos happens
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Post by Cast no shadow on Aug 5, 2019 16:06:37 GMT
Spinks chats waffle
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Post by wrighter on Aug 5, 2019 16:11:53 GMT
be good to see Bego"s missus again
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 5, 2019 16:42:36 GMT
Begovic and enough cash (10-12m?) to help to fill glaring gaps elsewhere and I would consider it a good bit of business. Whether Davies would agree is another matter entirely.....
Maybe a deal with Arter as part of it may interest us instead?
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Post by danceswithclams on Aug 5, 2019 17:04:33 GMT
Saw them supporting World of Twist in the early 90s. Great band.
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