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Post by str8outtahampton on Apr 11, 2019 15:01:31 GMT
If I were Jack I would make a point of taking Gareth Southgate's advice about maximising his chances of starting for England. Both in terms of a move and what he needs to do to improve. On the latter, my guess is it is penalty saving rather than distribution which is the main issue - but of course that is just a guess - and it does not mean that distribution is not an issue for Southgate.
I would then be leaning on my agent to secure such a move, and I would be working my testicles off to make those improvements.
He is good enough for a top 6 club in my opinion - and in fact, depending on the Southgate view - I might consider a move abroad. You would imagine that with relatively minor adjustments he would be very much in the frame for an England start. But that will not happen while he is with us.
Bego was wonderful. It always baffles me when a player makes a move to warm a bench. Even a Chelsea bench. The career is so short, and even at Stoke he was earning squillions. He is still only 31 - but has made 80 PL appearances in 5 years. I had to look that up, needless to say. But nowhere near enough match time to be at the top of your game.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Apr 11, 2019 15:29:30 GMT
Begovic was awesome for us.
The last three or so years though there are people with no arms who would be better in goal than him, his complete loss of ability is frightening.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 16:04:48 GMT
.... Joe Hart might be more likely as Begovic is still their No 1, unless we’re planning some sort of exchange deal. Don’t think Bego would come back to us anyway IF we lose jack[and in all probability we will?] I would jump at the chance to have bego back. [1] he is a very good keeper,[2]he is a good person too which fits into the ethos of what nj is trying to build[3] doesn't bego's missus have a business in the area possibly equestrian and I believe they are still good friends with the shawcrosses. The impression I got from watching Banksie's funeral was that Begovic still has good relations with Ryan and others. As for signing, well if we could somehow have the same player who left us, then that would be fine. But he left us because he wanted to play Champions League football, but it didn't take long before he realised he wasn't going to do that. So a while later he joins B'mouth, which at the time was like a step down from Stoke not to mention the CL. His form has suffered, he's been inconsistent, in football terms, he's a broken man. I'm not sure he'll ever recover. We don't want a broken player, we want someone who's going to make us forget Butland.
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Post by emery1985 on Apr 11, 2019 16:12:35 GMT
If we cash in on Butland I’d be happy to see Bego come back I guess.
But hopefully we won’t need to as we’ll get promoted next season innit.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Apr 11, 2019 16:20:17 GMT
Without a shadow of doubt.
Another 5 years in him yet, experienced keepers have served us well in the past.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Apr 11, 2019 17:00:03 GMT
Would be a risky move for a high wage player who can only decline. Would much rather Walton of David Raya who have potential to grow.
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Post by larstoke on Apr 11, 2019 18:16:24 GMT
I'd love Bego to return if Butland leaves. Or Grant. Or both!
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Post by dingdongbell on Apr 11, 2019 18:36:48 GMT
Bego would be good ,although I think he will aim higher and want big bucks. Joe Hart would be a good option plus I think that he would come. Always seemed to have a good rapport with the Boothen end, he is still a top keeper imho.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 18:37:28 GMT
Shirley no way he'd come here. Wages far too high. Better options for him in the lower end of the prem (i.e those newly promoted)
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Post by rawli on Apr 11, 2019 19:08:51 GMT
Do we have to look fucking backwards on here for every vacancy that comes up?
When players retire they have to be given a coaching role. When there's a managerial vacancy there are voices calling for Tony Pulis. The rest of the time we are pining for the Vic or shirts from the 80s.
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Post by dreamtheater on Apr 11, 2019 19:46:08 GMT
Id re --sign him - and Butland in truth -- well, being honest and sadly- I see far too many shots fly past him into our goal (surprised he hasnt got a bad back from it - certainly earlier this season) and his distribution with ball at feet is now, legendary. Is this the same Jack Butland who has 17 clean sheets to his name in 42 appearances this season - playing in front a quite dodgy defence for the most part as well - or another one? I find the irony of your avatar delicous - yes I saw plenty of Banks and Farmer and Shilton too ( and Foxy dont forget -he want too bad either) Ive never thought Butland was 'all that' - lovely fella no doubt and a capable prospect - but to my eyes, he did not 'kick on' as expected - the ball literally flies past him more often than not - ( his efforts at penalties usually look like hes got cement boots on) and game changing performances are pretty rare compared to the likes of more revered company such as your avatar Good keepers keep you in games and earn you points - sustain league position - just look at the absolute Bastard at United (Dgea )- without him they'd be fucking no one - nowhere) (now there's a keeper) And for us, this season lots of draws true - but how many 'worldies' from our keeper ? and remind me again - just where are we in the championship just now ? to me Jack Butland right now is - a bang average goalie -in a poor side- sorry, but there you are ( and Im sure his fee in the summer will reflect his fall from grace - - just like our clubs) and so, if we can fool someone into a big fee for him - why not Bego ? PS after this tirade Id actually prefer to see him stay and work his bollocks off to get us back into the premiership along with the rest - they all owe us big fucking time ! PS best goalkeeping display i have ever witnessed for us was:- Peter Shilton one sunny afternoon at Maine road - they fucking battered us ( it was 'shooting and in' ) ( Lee ? Marsh, Bell, Tueart, Barnes) no one could beat him - and it ended nil nil and, all four sides of the ground stood to clap Shilton off at the end ,he was inhuman that day and was world number one around then too - and proved it regularly
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Post by bertiestan on Apr 11, 2019 20:05:24 GMT
Begovic was brilliant for us, no doubt about it.
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Post by innocentbystander on Apr 11, 2019 20:31:12 GMT
Has Sorro got any kids? The Schmichael family lineage went well. Sorro was our best keeper since Banksy, especially on penalties.
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Post by greenhoff on Apr 11, 2019 21:20:30 GMT
Is this the same Jack Butland who has 17 clean sheets to his name in 42 appearances this season - playing in front a quite dodgy defence for the most part as well - or another one? I find the irony of your avatar delicous - yes I saw plenty of Banks and Farmer and Shilton too ( and Foxy dont forget -he want too bad either) Ive never thought Butland was 'all that' - lovely fella no doubt and a capable prospect - but to my eyes, he did not 'kick on' as expected - the ball literally flies past him more often than not - ( his efforts at penalties usually look like hes got cement boots on) and game changing performances are pretty rare compared to the likes of more revered company such as your avatar Good keepers keep you in games and earn you points - sustain league position - just look at the absolute Bastard at United (Dgea )- without him they'd be fucking no one - nowhere) (now there's a keeper) And for us, this season lots of draws true - but how many 'worldies' from our keeper ? and remind me again - just where are we in the championship just now ? to me Jack Butland right now is - a bang average goalie -in a poor side- sorry, but there you are ( and Im sure his fee in the summer will reflect his fall from grace - - just like our clubs) and so, if we can fool someone into a big fee for him - why not Bego ? PS after this tirade Id actually prefer to see him stay and work his bollocks off to get us back into the premiership along with the rest - they all owe us big fucking time ! PS best goalkeeping display i have ever witnessed for us was:- Peter Shilton one sunny afternoon at Maine road - they fucking battered us ( it was 'shooting and in' ) ( Lee ? Marsh, Bell, Tueart, Barnes) no one could beat him - and it ended nil nil and, all four sides of the ground stood to clap Shilton off at the end ,he was inhuman that day and was world number one around then too - and proved it regularly Still spouting rubbish Tone?
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Post by wakeypotter on Apr 11, 2019 21:35:13 GMT
If Butland goes? Howe is supposedly after him? No. Don’t you remember he left us to sit on bench at Chelsea to pick a medal up. If Arnautovic did the same you’d be slating him
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Post by kustokie on Apr 11, 2019 21:52:26 GMT
Begovic was brilliant for us, no doubt about it. “Was” being the operative word.
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Post by dioufsboots on Apr 11, 2019 21:55:31 GMT
No we need to move on,name and reputation is what are squad is full of tomas holy or christian walton will do
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Post by bertiestan on Apr 11, 2019 21:59:46 GMT
No we need to move on,name and reputation is what are squad is full of tomas holy or christian walton will do Yes mate 100% agree...just stating how good I thought he was for us.
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 11, 2019 23:17:39 GMT
No. We have to look ahead and build new things
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Post by bertiestan on Apr 12, 2019 2:11:12 GMT
Begovic was brilliant for us, no doubt about it. “Was” being the operative word. Well it isn't going to be "is brilliant for us" is it? He no longer plays for us.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 12, 2019 12:56:16 GMT
Interesting that Begovic has liked a tweet suggesting he comes as part-ex in any Butland deal
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Post by berahinosgoals on Apr 12, 2019 13:47:15 GMT
That would be a quality deal if it includes bego imo. Sell butland for bego plus £10m 👌
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Post by Fenparkpotter on Apr 12, 2019 13:55:24 GMT
Yes, if only because he'd be one of the few players we actually have a song for
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 12, 2019 14:05:09 GMT
Begovic was awesome for us. The last three or so years though there are people with no arms who would be better in goal than him, his complete loss of ability is frightening. What’s happened to him? Seems strange to decline so completely, at one point people on here were talking about him as the best in the world and it wasn’t a ridiculous suggestion. Surely his form would be recoverable to be easily good enough for the champ, he’s not that old.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Apr 12, 2019 15:23:00 GMT
Begovic was awesome for us. The last three or so years though there are people with no arms who would be better in goal than him, his complete loss of ability is frightening. What’s happened to him? Seems strange to decline so completely, at one point people on here were talking about him as the best in the world and it wasn’t a ridiculous suggestion. Surely his form would be recoverable to be easily good enough for the champ, he’s not that old. It’s baffling, the highlights I’ve seen of him at Bournemouth are shocking, makes Haugaard look like Lev Yashin. I seriously think he’s too far gone to recover any sort of form in the top two tiers of English football, he looks MLS ready. Crying shame.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Apr 12, 2019 15:29:15 GMT
If Begovic replicates his Bournemouth form here there would be a 40 page and counting thread on how bad he is.
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Post by conzdad on Apr 12, 2019 19:23:56 GMT
Can I ask what is wrong with Federici. Having not seen him play,is he bad and if so why the hell did we sign him? Personally I think Karl Darlow currently at Newcastle would be a good shout.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 12, 2019 19:30:26 GMT
That would be a quality deal if it includes bego imo. Sell butland for bego plus £10m 👌 That would be a bit disappointing tbh it would need another 10 mil on top for me.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Apr 12, 2019 19:35:36 GMT
That would be a quality deal if it includes bego imo. Sell butland for bego plus £10m 👌 That would be a bit disappointing tbh it would need another 10 mil on top for me. could we command it though in our position? If butland wants to leave to be in contention for the England #1 spot we don't have a great hand do we?
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Post by berahinosgoals on Apr 12, 2019 19:36:40 GMT
If Begovic replicates his Bournemouth form here there would be a 40 page and counting thread on how bad he is. Would be the best keeper in the league imo, we have a top GK coach aswell
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