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Post by leicspotter on Apr 10, 2019 10:25:36 GMT
It’s utterly amazing how easy it is to forget his we got into this mess and if anyone thinks changing another manager is the answer , candidly they are beyond repair . We have a business with a potentially terminal illness and changing the manager amd nothing else is the equivalent of going to the hairdressers and expecting a long term benefit . jones didn’t get us here and so far has done the One thing he could avoid a Sunderland style implosion and form a view in next year .a higher year of transition if he gets midtwbek next year with that turnover and the Architechts of our downfall still in place it will be another achievement The architects of how we got here will be delighted to see the delusional already tfocusing on the a manger ( the hairdresser ) instead of the illness . The fact some would call for his head is the most likely livrred , misguided , deluded piece of thinking since Scholes gave berhaino and Wimmer long terms contract and paid £30m for them . Nathan Jones s has one of the hardest jobs in football arresting and then turning a terminal decline with the architects in place and immune to accountability he is an island of sea of mediocrity ,complacency , arrogance and incompetence beyond compare and we need to cling to him and support him like never before . In the words of Jim Collins good to great and we are on all Journey abominable to normal at the moment , first job ge the terrorists off the bus players and fans alike that’s what we need now , sadly the biggest problem is driving the fucking bus , immune to accountability and pissing himself that the human shield has worked again with the dafts sods without the capacity to see beyond today . If only you came with sub titles Benji, cos I think I agree with this
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Apr 10, 2019 10:34:20 GMT
Yeah let's sack him and bring Big Sam in, easy this football lark
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Post by stokeson on Apr 10, 2019 10:57:49 GMT
Its not eggs for eggs is it. A Boxer can be great at one level move up a weight and be shit. Same happens in football. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn’t. But if the signs are there that he wants to introduce some of the things that worked so well for him in the past here, why isn’t that relevant, and why doesn’t he deserve the chance to do that? He is going to get that chance whatever I think.I hope he gets it right (despite my negative opinions of him up to now.) He seems to have the likeability factor with loads on here and that's a start and he IS playing the youth which as an old timer I love (nothing better as a fan to see a player arrive develop and succeed even if the move on to bigger and better.) His passion for the game is obvious but is he running befor he has walked the walk in this division.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 10, 2019 11:03:57 GMT
Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn’t. But if the signs are there that he wants to introduce some of the things that worked so well for him in the past here, why isn’t that relevant, and why doesn’t he deserve the chance to do that? He is going to get that chance whatever I think.I hope he gets it right (despite my negative opinions of him up to now.) He seems to have the likeability factor with loads on here and that's a start and he IS playing the youth which as an old timer I love (nothing better as a fan to see a player arrive develop and succeed even if the move on to bigger and better.) His passion for the game is obvious but is he running befor he has walked the walk in this division. What choice does he have?
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Post by thevoid on Apr 10, 2019 11:16:04 GMT
Shame on you OP. One bad game doesn't eliminate ten good ones. I don't agree with the OP, but 10 good games, really? We drew at Derby but the performance was on a par with last night.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Apr 10, 2019 11:17:21 GMT
I'm fully behind him at the mo, he definitely needs a summer (transfers, in's and out's) and a pre-season to show us if he's going in the right direction!!!
However, if after the summer and pre-season he's still relying on players like McClean, Afobe, Clucas & Woods (and throw Ince in the mix as far as I'm concerned), then I may think differently!!!
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Post by stokienorthants on Apr 10, 2019 11:28:16 GMT
I agree that he needs time and a couple of transfer windows to straighten things out however the investment of £9m in Vokes hardly inspires confidence. I wonder whether the job and the associated transfer budgets are too big for him to manage.
Passion is great but on its own is worthless.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 10, 2019 11:29:39 GMT
Is it ok to reply or do I need to Fuck off? Here goes anyway arse wipe. I'm not a Jones out poster but a lot of what you say in the OP is fantasy stuff. He hasn't bounced back from any mistakes he's made earlier in his tenure with us in fact last night he repeated most of his mistakes. Was Batth his signing? Nice to see the youth given a go but why drop Verlinden, why loan out Campbell, he hasn't played Souttar. Edwards was already a part of the first team and not even sure he has played Sorenson either. Which leaves you with a Passionate manager who's done wonders at lowly Luton. Posters asking questions about his leadership have every right to at this stage. he bounced back from the Shrewsbury defeat by getting tactics spot on against a good Leeds side, and my mistake I thought Souttar played vs Shrewsbury, he loaned out Campbell to get league experience and then come back here next season to play, Verlinden hasn’t been 100% fit that’s why he hasn’t been playing, and he played Sorensen as he came on as a substitute against preston, and of course batth was his signing he cane straight into the side. He got Luton from league 2 to possibly the championship as it’s his team he built, give the guy a break, judge him based on next season with his own players Neither Batth or Vokes were his signings he may have signed them off for his mate cartwright though, Vokes isn't looking to promising at this moment in time, I really don't care what he did at Luton it is what he is doing at Stoke that concerns me 3 wins in over 3 months is not what I would term as progression.
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Post by Roy Cropper on Apr 10, 2019 11:30:34 GMT
First loss in 9 games (not helped by having 3 of the starting XI injured) away at in form Swansea.
He certainly didn't get it right last night but this is just embarrassing.
It would help if the attacking options he inherited could pass a ball 5 yards.
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Post by bertiestan on Apr 10, 2019 11:35:56 GMT
Christ we’ve got some entitled fans on here. We’ve had years of regression, and made a bold appointment of a manager from the lower leagues in an attempt to do something different. We’re a wounded animal that is slowly being coaxed back to health after a few years of neglect. Under Jones so far we’ve had good, bad and so-so performances with a bunch of demotivated players who he largely did not buy. He’s a religious man but he’s not a miracle worker. It seems we have a selection of supporters who just don’t have the stomach for the job in hand, and who think we should be magically playing well every game. Guess what folks - we’re shit, and are some way off the heights of 4 years ago. Deal with it. Fuck me, I think I need a break from this place, it’s ridiculous. Nail on head mate
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Post by bertiestan on Apr 10, 2019 11:38:26 GMT
Fuck me. Some on here, calling for the manager’s head?! I give up. Stoke Supporters...biggest oxymoron ever for too many on this site! We should start taking note of all of the weapons and then, next season, when we’re flying under Jones we can out them for being said weapons. We’ll be with you!? Don’t make me laugh! Some on here, the same old crew, do not know what it is to be Stoke City Supporters I already have mate
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Post by Veritas on Apr 10, 2019 11:49:01 GMT
Let him finish this bloody awful season then pay him off.he is just not good enough. Could you go now as you are obviously not up for it.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Apr 10, 2019 12:01:15 GMT
forum.pinkun.com/index.php?/topic/113677-farke-out/&tab=comments#comment-1784981Here's a thread from Norwich's forum at the start of the season. forum.pinkun.com/index.php?/topic/114783-farke-is-the-problem/Here's a thread from Norwich's forum after they had won 1 and lost 4 of their opening 5. I don't know if this is an English fan culture thing, but people seem to have no patience regarding managers who want to bring a philosophy to a club and a way of playing. Look at some of the individual comments on those threads, they ring true of the same stuff you see on here. Jones got it wrong last night, but that doesn't invalidate what he has done so far, nor do those results mean he is a venerated saint. There's loads more to do and lots more to change, but for goodness sake give the man some bloody time, as Farke has proved it's often darkest before the sexy football dawn. A little selection of comments that reflect stuff on here: "Unfortunately the problems are far deeper and wider than farke. He is an inexperienced manager with no track record at all let alone the championship. The board have committed us to a massive strategic change which was always high risk. " "He''s had more than 50 league games and it just isn''t getting any better - continually shipping goals for fun. Fell out with Oliviera and thinks Srebny is a championship striker - time to go Daniel the numbskulls have had enough!" "New season. Same problems as all last season. He will be gone by October." "We all said we''d give Farke 10 games (imo the board will stick with him) but we could realistically be in bottom three by time these games are up, IF Farke can''t get results. And if that happens it''s hard to see how any manager starts to turn things round."
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Post by stokeson on Apr 10, 2019 12:08:42 GMT
Fuck me. Some on here, calling for the manager’s head?! I give up. Stoke Supporters...biggest oxymoron ever for too many on this site! We should start taking note of all of the weapons and then, next season, when we’re flying under Jones we can out them for being said weapons. We’ll be with you!? Don’t make me laugh! Some on here, the same old crew, do not know what it is to be Stoke City Supporters I already have mate Pike ! Your on my list.
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Post by bertiestan on Apr 10, 2019 12:26:28 GMT
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Post by ursemboys on Apr 10, 2019 12:38:06 GMT
Ha ha I Post some shit but this beats anything i have ever posted I'd say you were up there myself. Care to explain ?
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Post by nott1 on Apr 10, 2019 12:38:47 GMT
First loss in 9 games (not helped by having 3 of the starting XI injured) away at in form Swansea. He certainly didn't get it right last night but this is just embarrassing. It would help if the attacking options he inherited could pass a ball 5 yards. One can but Jones can't see it!
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Post by reddipotter on Apr 10, 2019 13:00:21 GMT
It has seemed to me for a while that Jones is treating this season, with promotion and relegation unlikely, as an extended pre-season. He's experimenting with players and formations, working out what different players can provide. One thing he will know is that it is impossible to create a potent forward line with any combination of the players we have. And also that two or three injuries exposes the threadbare quality of our squad.
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Post by adi on Apr 10, 2019 13:18:26 GMT
Looking forward to the suggestions of who’s next... Whoever it is gets three months to get us promoted then binned off by the Football Manager 19 experts on here. Then we do it again and again and again. Eventually we'll run out of options and appoint somebody like the OP who once got Forest Green Rovers to the Champions League Final. Yep
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Post by camstoke10 on Apr 10, 2019 13:26:43 GMT
he bounced back from the Shrewsbury defeat by getting tactics spot on against a good Leeds side, and my mistake I thought Souttar played vs Shrewsbury, he loaned out Campbell to get league experience and then come back here next season to play, Verlinden hasn’t been 100% fit that’s why he hasn’t been playing, and he played Sorensen as he came on as a substitute against preston, and of course batth was his signing he cane straight into the side. He got Luton from league 2 to possibly the championship as it’s his team he built, give the guy a break, judge him based on next season with his own players Is it OK if I judge him on what he does at Stoke(not Luton) and what I see with my own eyes? but I bet you were to judge rowett on that he never got promotion before, everyone had an opinion but if you say that he should be sacked then you don’t deserve an opinion becasue it’s pathetic it really is, like some stated above it’s not football manager, we won’t be getting rid of jones so how about get behind him and belive in the process
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Post by numberounominion on Apr 10, 2019 13:32:42 GMT
we will see where we are with jones next season
Regardless of how good the players are or are not , he has to sort out there attitude , its abysmal . I know he has identified this as a massive problem , but unlike Rowett , who also SAW the problem , he has to SORT IT
A case in point being the penalty at Blackburn , at the weekend
Crystal Palace have an ace penalty taker , Milivojević , who always takes the penalties regardless , Stoke city don't .
Afobe gets fouled in the box , and isn't even interested in taking the peno , at a club with no recognized penalty taker , despite being our centre forward , supposedly our goal scorer , and despite the fact we are already 1 nil up Contrast that to Troy Deeney , who won a last minute peno the same weekend , and couldn't wait to put the ball on the spot and slam it home .
Lets be honest neither Afobe or Deeney are not that good , and both of them struggle to get a place in the starting eleven , but at least Deeney had the bottle to step up to the plate and have a go
What use is a mediocre centre forward , who wont even accept a free shot at goal from 12 yards out , with his team already one nil up ?
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Post by kelw on Apr 10, 2019 13:57:18 GMT
Let him finish this bloody awful season then pay him off.he is just not good enough. Silly person alert
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Post by loosestools on Apr 10, 2019 15:50:19 GMT
we will see where we are with jones next season Regardless of how good the players are or are not , he has to sort out there attitude , its abysmal . I know he has identified this as a massive problem , but unlike Rowett , who also SAW the problem , he has to SORT IT A case in point being the penalty at Blackburn , at the weekend Crystal Palace have an ace penalty taker , Milivojević , who always takes the penalties regardless , Stoke city don't . Afobe gets fouled in the box , and isn't even interested in taking the peno , at a club with no recognized penalty taker , despite being our centre forward , supposedly our goal scorer , and despite the fact we are already 1 nil up Contrast that to Troy Deeney , who won a last minute peno the same weekend , and couldn't wait to put the ball on the spot and slam it home . Lets be honest neither Afobe or Deeney are not that good , and both of them struggle to get a place in the starting eleven , but at least Deeney had the bottle to step up to the plate and have a go What use is a mediocre centre forward , who wont even accept a free shot at goal from 12 yards out , with his team already one nil up ? Had the same discussion in the pub on Sunday.
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Post by johnnypotter on Apr 10, 2019 20:11:33 GMT
I know that I keep repeating myself, but NJ will turn Stoke City around. The shit hand he has been dealt will not get much better until next season. He knows exactly what needs to be done and he can't do any of the things required until this season has ended. I'm sure he is as frustrated as anyone, we just have to grin and bear the last handful of games. Then he can get down to business, everyone will see a major improvement in our fortunes under NJ next season. It is time to stop feeling sorry for ourselves and give the manager our full support, self pity is not an attractive trait. Show some balls and we will be rewarded.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Apr 10, 2019 21:24:17 GMT
I'm fully behind him at the mo, he definitely needs a summer (transfers, in's and out's) and a pre-season to show us if he's going in the right direction!!! However, if after the summer and pre-season he's still relying on players like McClean, Afobe, Clucas & Woods (and throw Ince in the mix as far as I'm concerned), then I may think differently!!! Totally agree. If any of those you have named are near the team at the start of next season the summer window will have been a massive failure
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Post by professorplump on Apr 10, 2019 22:12:50 GMT
we will see where we are with jones next season Regardless of how good the players are or are not , he has to sort out there attitude , its abysmal . I know he has identified this as a massive problem , but unlike Rowett , who also SAW the problem , he has to SORT IT A case in point being the penalty at Blackburn , at the weekend Crystal Palace have an ace penalty taker , Milivojević , who always takes the penalties regardless , Stoke city don't . Afobe gets fouled in the box , and isn't even interested in taking the peno , at a club with no recognized penalty taker , despite being our centre forward , supposedly our goal scorer , and despite the fact we are already 1 nil up Contrast that to Troy Deeney , who won a last minute peno the same weekend , and couldn't wait to put the ball on the spot and slam it home . Lets be honest neither Afobe or Deeney are not that good , and both of them struggle to get a place in the starting eleven , but at least Deeney had the bottle to step up to the plate and have a go What use is a mediocre centre forward , who wont even accept a free shot at goal from 12 yards out , with his team already one nil up ? I would imagine that the manager decided before the game who the penalty taker would be to prevent any issues like we had last season with Jese and Charlie. Afobe has taken a few this season with mixed success but with our recent record it is not surprising that we haven't got a settled taker.
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Post by Roy Cropper on Apr 11, 2019 8:01:52 GMT
First loss in 9 games (not helped by having 3 of the starting XI injured) away at in form Swansea. He certainly didn't get it right last night but this is just embarrassing. It would help if the attacking options he inherited could pass a ball 5 yards. One can but Jones can't see it! He was clearly injured on Saturday though and I think we would have seen a cameo if we hadn't gone down to 9 men. I'm certain he'll start on Saturday.
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Post by 3putts on Apr 11, 2019 11:29:32 GMT
its bullshit attention seeking posts like this which make me long for the days when we only discussed footy at work or at the pub with likeminded individuals. too many shit stirrers on here
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Post by kustokie on Apr 11, 2019 11:49:11 GMT
What a fucking ridiculous post. Grow a pair man and stop being an attention seeking slack jawed faggot Admin: this post may be offensive to some people.
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Post by kustokie on Apr 11, 2019 11:58:40 GMT
Four managers in 12 months (each one less experienced than the previous one) suggests the manager is not issue. The problem runs much deeper and has permeated the entire club, creating “a toxic work place”. The only solution is a total clear out at the very top. John Coates should take over because Peter Coates has lost the plot, and bring in a complete new management team that knows what they are doing and have some fresh ideas. Otherwise this slide into oblivion will accelerate. Unfortunately Stoke is not privately owned company accountable only to the board and the turkeys don’t vote for Christmas,
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