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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 10, 2019 7:39:26 GMT
If anything to me last night proved what a good job he is doing with the players he's got. No proper training on Sunday and very little on Monday because of a long journey down to Swansea, a couple of enforced changes and the players resort to their old habits of not knowing what to do. As someone said (it may have been Macari) we have a group of reasonably able players who need coaching because they cannot work it out for themselves on the pitch.
Once he has a squad properly coached into his tactics who know exactly what he expects them to do in different scenarios I think we'll be good at this level.
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Post by potterpaul on Apr 10, 2019 8:01:44 GMT
If anything to me last night proved what a good job he is doing with the players he's got. No proper training on Sunday and very little on Monday because of a long journey down to Swansea, a couple of enforced changes and the players resort to their old habits of not knowing what to do. As someone said (it may have been Macari) we have a group of reasonably able players who need coaching because they cannot work it out for themselves on the pitch. Once he has a squad properly coached into his tactics who know exactly what he expects them to do in different scenarios I think we'll be good at this level. So in 3 days the players forgot how to play? He's not using his tactics/system that went out the window weeks ago. We are still struggling to play Rowetts 433, we are not making any progress except defensively. I like the idea of his trusted plan but we are as far from it now as we were when he arrived and that for me is the most disappointing part to date.
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Post by pottersrule on Apr 10, 2019 8:05:37 GMT
It's worrying just how many Stoke fans are utterly brainless. Empty tins make the loudest noise mate.We have a few empty heads on here.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 8:07:13 GMT
If anything to me last night proved what a good job he is doing with the players he's got. No proper training on Sunday and very little on Monday because of a long journey down to Swansea, a couple of enforced changes and the players resort to their old habits of not knowing what to do. As someone said (it may have been Macari) we have a group of reasonably able players who need coaching because they cannot work it out for themselves on the pitch. Once he has a squad properly coached into his tactics who know exactly what he expects them to do in different scenarios I think we'll be good at this level. So in 3 days the players forgot how to play? Forgot how to play or didn't want to graft? Explain how Etebo went from his last two performances to playing suicide balls across his own backline, giving away stupid fouls in his own half and openly disrespecting his captain? Let me guess, Jones' tactics?
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Post by wrighter on Apr 10, 2019 8:11:02 GMT
Let him finish this bloody awful season then pay him off.he is just not good enough. Strewth, i forgot, it"s half -term
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 10, 2019 8:11:11 GMT
If anything to me last night proved what a good job he is doing with the players he's got. No proper training on Sunday and very little on Monday because of a long journey down to Swansea, a couple of enforced changes and the players resort to their old habits of not knowing what to do. As someone said (it may have been Macari) we have a group of reasonably able players who need coaching because they cannot work it out for themselves on the pitch. Once he has a squad properly coached into his tactics who know exactly what he expects them to do in different scenarios I think we'll be good at this level. So in 3 days the players forgot how to play? He's not using his tactics/system that went out the window weeks ago. We are still struggling to play Rowetts 433, we are not making any progress except defensively. I like the idea of his trusted plan but we are as far from it now as we were when he arrived and that for me is the most disappointing part to date. I don’t think it’s Rowett’s 433. Last night definitely was, but on the whole this 433/4231 has been much more positive. It’s incorporated creative players, more energy in midfield and a full back who crosses the halfway line.
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Post by potterpaul on Apr 10, 2019 8:12:41 GMT
So in 3 days the players forgot how to play? Forgot how to play or didn't want to graft? Explain how Etebo went from his last two performances to playing suicide balls across his own backline, giving away stupid fouls in his own half and openly disrespecting his captain? Let me guess, Jones' tactics? The lack of movement maybe, with his selections.....It was a very poor starting XI which screamed containment.
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 10, 2019 8:19:29 GMT
No what I am saying is that Jones didn't have time to coach into them the roles he wanted them to play to counter Swansea's way of playing hence for example Allen defaulting back to chasing madly around the pitch.
Two enforced changes meant adapting how the team would play. We don't have a like for like replacement for Ince so switched McLean. Williams is not the same as Shawcross and Bahtt consequently looked the worst he has. I must admit changing Bojan for Vokes seemed unnecessary but as he came off on Saturday perhaps there was a fitness issue.
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 10, 2019 8:24:13 GMT
I think the effort on Saturday followed by two fairly lengthy journeys explains Etebo's performance. On Saturday he was shattered and on his knees at the final whistle. Also having Allen in headless chicken mode doesn't help. How can Etebo work out what to do when his partner is everywhere and nowhere?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 8:24:27 GMT
It’s Rowett’s team. Did you expect the same bunch that are experts in walking football to be able to start pressing like Bielsa’s Leeds just because we changed managers? Fast exciting attacking football is what we were promised. 3 months in and we have seen 2 goals in the last 6 games. One of them coming from a mistake by their keeper. I don't by any means expect miracles but I expect some improvement. It seemed like Wednesday and Blackburn were showing some but then last night was utter wank....and he is the only one to blame. He is the only one to blame? Really? You really believe that? Because here's me thinking the players he inherited aren't good enough......
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Post by scfc75 on Apr 10, 2019 8:28:48 GMT
Christ we’ve got some entitled fans on here. We’ve had years of regression, and made a bold appointment of a manager from the lower leagues in an attempt to do something different. We’re a wounded animal that is slowly being coaxed back to health after a few years of neglect. Under Jones so far we’ve had good, bad and so-so performances with a bunch of demotivated players who he largely did not buy. He’s a religious man but he’s not a miracle worker.
It seems we have a selection of supporters who just don’t have the stomach for the job in hand, and who think we should be magically playing well every game. Guess what folks - we’re shit, and are some way off the heights of 4 years ago. Deal with it.
Fuck me, I think I need a break from this place, it’s ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 8:30:25 GMT
Christ we’ve got some entitled fans on here. We’ve had years of regression, and made a bold appointment of a manager from the lower leagues in an attempt to do something different. We’re a wounded animal that is slowly being coaxed back to health after a few years of neglect. Under Jones so far we’ve had good, bad and so-so performances with a bunch of demotivated players who he largely did not buy. He’s a religious man but he’s not a miracle worker. It seems we have a selection of supporters who just don’t have the stomach for the job in hand, and who think we should be magically playing well every game. Guess what folks - we’re shit, and are some way off the heights of 4 years ago. Deal with it. Fuck me, I think I need a break from this place, it’s ridiculous. Thinking the exact same thing, some on here are beyond help.
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Post by SCFC92 on Apr 10, 2019 8:39:04 GMT
Christ we’ve got some entitled fans on here. We’ve had years of regression, and made a bold appointment of a manager from the lower leagues in an attempt to do something different. We’re a wounded animal that is slowly being coaxed back to health after a few years of neglect. Under Jones so far we’ve had good, bad and so-so performances with a bunch of demotivated players who he largely did not buy. He’s a religious man but he’s not a miracle worker. It seems we have a selection of supporters who just don’t have the stomach for the job in hand, and who think we should be magically playing well every game. Guess what folks - we’re shit, and are some way off the heights of 4 years ago. Deal with it. Fuck me, I think I need a break from this place, it’s ridiculous. This, this and this!
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Post by boothenconvert on Apr 10, 2019 8:47:23 GMT
Christ we’ve got some entitled fans on here. We’ve had years of regression, and made a bold appointment of a manager from the lower leagues in an attempt to do something different. We’re a wounded animal that is slowly being coaxed back to health after a few years of neglect. Under Jones so far we’ve had good, bad and so-so performances with a bunch of demotivated players who he largely did not buy. He’s a religious man but he’s not a miracle worker. It seems we have a selection of supporters who just don’t have the stomach for the job in hand, and who think we should be magically playing well every game. Guess what folks - we’re shit, and are some way off the heights of 4 years ago. Deal with it. Fuck me, I think I need a break from this place, it’s ridiculous. This, this and this! Jones isn’t a miracle worker. It’s going to take time to get this turned around. I’m backing the man as I believe he will get the team playing better. He’s inherited utter tripe. Just what can he do to please some so called fans on here. If you don’t like it, get gone, support some other team. I get so angry reading posts on here from people talking utter b*****ks!
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 10, 2019 8:47:30 GMT
It’s utterly amazing how easy it is to forget his we got into this mess and if anyone thinks changing another manager is the answer , candidly they are beyond repair . We have a business with a potentially terminal illness and changing the manager amd nothing else is the equivalent of going to the hairdressers and expecting a long term benefit . jones didn’t get us here and so far has done the One thing he could avoid a Sunderland style implosion and form a view in next year .a higher year of transition if he gets midtwbek next year with that turnover and the Architechts of our downfall still in place it will be another achievement
The architects of how we got here will be delighted to see the delusional already tfocusing on the a manger ( the hairdresser ) instead of the illness .
The fact some would call for his head is the most likely livrred , misguided , deluded piece of thinking since Scholes gave berhaino and Wimmer long terms contract and paid £30m for them .
Nathan Jones s has one of the hardest jobs in football arresting and then turning a terminal decline with the architects in place and immune to accountability he is an island of sea of mediocrity ,complacency , arrogance and incompetence beyond compare and we need to cling to him and support him like never before .
In the words of Jim Collins good to great and we are on all Journey abominable to normal at the moment , first job ge the terrorists off the bus players and fans alike that’s what we need now , sadly the biggest problem is driving the fucking bus , immune to accountability and pissing himself that the human shield has worked again with the dafts sods without the capacity to see beyond today .
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Apr 10, 2019 8:48:09 GMT
He's definitely up for it, the question should be is he up to it? But don't ask me, I wouldn't have sacked Mark Hughes or indeed Tony Pulis before him. Funny how some fans still live in the past. Personally I wouldn’t have got rid of Bob McGrory or Frankie Taylor!
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Post by stokie1947 on Apr 10, 2019 8:50:03 GMT
come back this time next year with that statement
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Post by ursemboys on Apr 10, 2019 8:54:58 GMT
Let him finish this bloody awful season then pay him off.he is just not good enough. Ha ha I Post some shit but this beats anything i have ever posted
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Post by spikey2972 on Apr 10, 2019 9:01:58 GMT
i am entitled to my opinion like everybody else on this site.just because I say something you don't agree with doesn't make me a prick.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Apr 10, 2019 9:01:59 GMT
Let him finish this bloody awful season then pay him off.he is just not good enough. Ha ha I Post some shit but this beats anything i have ever posted I'd say you were up there myself.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Apr 10, 2019 9:54:12 GMT
So in 3 days the players forgot how to play? Forgot how to play or didn't want to graft? Explain how Etebo went from his last two performances to playing suicide balls across his own backline, giving away stupid fouls in his own half and openly disrespecting his captain? Let me guess, Jones' tactics? Etebo was playing suicide balls across his own backline against Blackburn.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 10, 2019 9:58:24 GMT
Which ten good ones were they? 3 or 4 maybe Leeds Blackburn Villa Wednesday QPR Forest Ipswich Wigan West Brom 9 games there where on another day we could have won or we did win Point of order. The display at Wigan was abominable and the display at home to West Brom was fucking appalling
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Post by Onneravineet on Apr 10, 2019 10:01:38 GMT
Fuck me. Some on here, calling for the manager’s head?! I give up. Stoke Supporters...biggest oxymoron ever for too many on this site!
We should start taking note of all of the weapons and then, next season, when we’re flying under Jones we can out them for being said weapons.
We’ll be with you!? Don’t make me laugh! Some on here, the same old crew, do not know what it is to be Stoke City Supporters
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Post by Davef on Apr 10, 2019 10:03:08 GMT
i am entitled to my opinion like everybody else on this site.just because I say something you don't agree with doesn't make me a prick. No you're not, but don't be surprised and don't play the victim when such incendiary comments provoke a reaction.
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Post by stokeson on Apr 10, 2019 10:03:17 GMT
Is it ok to reply or do I need to Fuck off? Here goes anyway arse wipe. I'm not a Jones out poster but a lot of what you say in the OP is fantasy stuff. He hasn't bounced back from any mistakes he's made earlier in his tenure with us in fact last night he repeated most of his mistakes. Was Batth his signing? Nice to see the youth given a go but why drop Verlinden, why loan out Campbell, he hasn't played Souttar. Edwards was already a part of the first team and not even sure he has played Sorenson either. Which leaves you with a Passionate manager who's done wonders at lowly Luton. Posters asking questions about his leadership have every right to at this stage. he bounced back from the Shrewsbury defeat by getting tactics spot on against a good Leeds side, and my mistake I thought Souttar played vs Shrewsbury, he loaned out Campbell to get league experience and then come back here next season to play, Verlinden hasn’t been 100% fit that’s why he hasn’t been playing, and he played Sorensen as he came on as a substitute against preston, and of course batth was his signing he cane straight into the side. He got Luton from league 2 to possibly the championship as it’s his team he built, give the guy a break, judge him based on next season with his own players Is it OK if I judge him on what he does at Stoke(not Luton) and what I see with my own eyes?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 10, 2019 10:04:39 GMT
he bounced back from the Shrewsbury defeat by getting tactics spot on against a good Leeds side, and my mistake I thought Souttar played vs Shrewsbury, he loaned out Campbell to get league experience and then come back here next season to play, Verlinden hasn’t been 100% fit that’s why he hasn’t been playing, and he played Sorensen as he came on as a substitute against preston, and of course batth was his signing he cane straight into the side. He got Luton from league 2 to possibly the championship as it’s his team he built, give the guy a break, judge him based on next season with his own players Is it OK if I judge him on what he does at Stoke(not Luton) and what I see with my own eyes? What he did at Luton can’t be dismissed as a complete irrelevance though can it. The past often informs the present and future.
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Post by stokeson on Apr 10, 2019 10:08:48 GMT
Its not eggs for eggs is it. A Boxer can be great at one level move up a weight and be shit. Same happens in football.
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 10, 2019 10:16:03 GMT
I think it is a bit premature to be calling for Jones’ head. However, we can’t still be playing like this in September if he is going to make it past Christmas. Obviously, but by then he would have had a full preseason and hopefully done some good work reshaping the squad. Any criticism after that might be justified.
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 10, 2019 10:19:06 GMT
he bounced back from the Shrewsbury defeat by getting tactics spot on against a good Leeds side, and my mistake I thought Souttar played vs Shrewsbury, he loaned out Campbell to get league experience and then come back here next season to play, Verlinden hasn’t been 100% fit that’s why he hasn’t been playing, and he played Sorensen as he came on as a substitute against preston, and of course batth was his signing he cane straight into the side. He got Luton from league 2 to possibly the championship as it’s his team he built, give the guy a break, judge him based on next season with his own players Is it OK if I judge him on what he does at Stoke(not Luton) and what I see with my own eyes? You people want it all ways don't you? Plenty were judging Hughes on what he did at QPR...
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 10, 2019 10:23:55 GMT
Its not eggs for eggs is it. A Boxer can be great at one level move up a weight and be shit. Same happens in football. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn’t. But if the signs are there that he wants to introduce some of the things that worked so well for him in the past here, why isn’t that relevant, and why doesn’t he deserve the chance to do that?
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