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Post by lordb on Apr 23, 2019 13:09:20 GMT
This probably comes down to Hoss So expect “15m or thereabouts For the umpteenth time, Cartwright does not get involved in out going transfers. That's 100% Scholes.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Apr 23, 2019 13:16:38 GMT
Is Fraser Forster rubbish nowadays?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 23, 2019 14:39:33 GMT
This probably comes down to Hoss So expect “15m or thereabouts For the umpteenth time, Cartwright does not get involved in out going transfers. That's 100% Scholes. Seems to me he doesn't actually do anything. So I ask for the umpteenth time why the fuck do we employ him. Chief taster of match day pies is all I can think of.
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Post by lordb on Apr 23, 2019 14:43:20 GMT
For the umpteenth time, Cartwright does not get involved in out going transfers. That's 100% Scholes. Seems to me he doesn't actually do anything. So I ask for the umpteenth time why the fuck do we employ him. Chief taster of match day pies is all I can think of. Incoming transfers. Essentially he deals with agents. The criticism of Cartwright is that he will only do business with a much smaller group of agents than other clubs do. The transfer fee negotiations in and out is all Scholes.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 23, 2019 14:49:07 GMT
Seems to me he doesn't actually do anything. So I ask for the umpteenth time why the fuck do we employ him. Chief taster of match day pies is all I can think of. Incoming transfers. Essentially he deals with agents. The criticism of Cartwright is that he will only do business with a much smaller group of agents than other clubs do. The transfer fee negotiations in and out is all Scholes. Fair enough, nice to have someone who actually seems to know something. My criticism of Carto is he doesn't appear to have made any noticeably positive contribution since 2012. Just presided over gaff after gaff. His credentials were poor and he certainly didn't strike me as a useful addition to a team that at the time were playing in the biggest league in the world. Lack of ambition by Stoke, big time, and now we are paying the very heavy price.
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Post by lordb on Apr 23, 2019 14:52:48 GMT
Incoming transfers. Essentially he deals with agents. The criticism of Cartwright is that he will only do business with a much smaller group of agents than other clubs do. The transfer fee negotiations in and out is all Scholes. Fair enough, nice to have someone who actually seems to know something. My criticism of Carto is he doesn't appear to have made any noticeably positive contribution since 2012. Just presided over gaff after gaff. His credentials were poor and he certainly didn't strike me as a useful addition to a team that at the time were playing in the biggest league in the world. Lack of ambition by Stoke, big time, and now we are paying the very heavy price. Not defending Cartwright however I think the criticism he gets in the main should be directed at Scholes. Cartwright could be sacked today and very little would change. To be fair I think don't if the criticism of Scholes us unfair too (Hughes to blame for Berahino for example) however a change of CEO would have a huge impact.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 23, 2019 14:58:37 GMT
Fair enough, nice to have someone who actually seems to know something. My criticism of Carto is he doesn't appear to have made any noticeably positive contribution since 2012. Just presided over gaff after gaff. His credentials were poor and he certainly didn't strike me as a useful addition to a team that at the time were playing in the biggest league in the world. Lack of ambition by Stoke, big time, and now we are paying the very heavy price. Not defending Cartwright however I think the criticism he gets in the main should be directed at Scholes. Cartwright could be sacked today and very little would change. To be fair I think don't if the criticism of Scholes us unfair too (Hughes to blame for Berahino for example) however a change of CEO would have a huge impact. Its the opportunities lost by having Carto in that important role that annoys me. The club messed up not being ambitious here and getting some proper talent in. Its not as if they couldn't afford it. Both need to go in my view. The evidence is in front of us, they have failed spectacularly and the buck stops with them, not long gone managers.
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Post by werrington on Apr 23, 2019 15:31:51 GMT
Unless there is more than one club bidding for Butland, that will be the most we can expect. I’d put a reserve of about 15 million and not take a penny less. £15m......Jesus fucking wept
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Post by neddy on Apr 23, 2019 15:49:33 GMT
Big percentage to Birmingham dont forget!
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 23, 2019 15:52:34 GMT
Unless there is more than one club bidding for Butland, that will be the most we can expect. I’d put a reserve of about 15 million and not take a penny less. £15m......Jesus fucking wept Who<iframe width="36.48000000000002" height="4.759999999999991" style="position: absolute; width: 36.48000000000002px; height: 4.759999999999991px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_39805847" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="36.48000000000002" height="4.759999999999991" style="position: absolute; width: 36.48px; height: 4.76px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1751px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_23162182" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="36.48000000000002" height="4.759999999999991" style="position: absolute; width: 36.48px; height: 4.76px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 177px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_14665525" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="36.48000000000002" height="4.759999999999991" style="position: absolute; width: 36.48px; height: 4.76px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1751px; top: 177px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_51196809" scrolling="no"></iframe> Who is going to pay anything like that?
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Post by jimmygscfc on Apr 23, 2019 15:56:20 GMT
If Jack Butland isn't worth over £20 million I'd be staggered. For his own sake he needs to go and I wouldn't blame him.
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 23, 2019 16:00:01 GMT
If Jack Butland isn't worth over £20 million I'd be staggered. For his own sake he needs to go and I wouldn't blame him. Who is going to pay that? To play he'll have to go to a mid table at best team at best, Bournemouth perhaps. Let's say their budget is £50million (stretching it I'd say) are they really going to splash half of it on a Championship keeper when they might have other areas that need filling e.g. replacing Wilson if he goes? I really hope we do get top dollar but I can't see it.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 23, 2019 16:02:38 GMT
Given the pool of clubs who'll be in, I really think the fee will be much closer to £15m than £30m.
Obviously hope I'm wrong though as £30m would go down very well!
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Post by lordb on Apr 23, 2019 16:03:57 GMT
If Jack Butland isn't worth over £20 million I'd be staggered. For his own sake he needs to go and I wouldn't blame him. Who is going to pay that? To play he'll have to go to a mid table at best team at best, Bournemouth perhaps. Let's say their budget is £50million (stretching it I'd say) are they really going to splash half of it on a Championship keeper when they might have other areas that need filling e.g. replacing Wilson if he goes? I really hope we do get top dollar but I can't see it. Bournemouth spend a fair few pennies Pugs.
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Post by gingerninja on Apr 23, 2019 16:04:14 GMT
Whatever Pickford went for Butland has to be around the same figure. He's been around longer and is as good if not better.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Apr 23, 2019 16:04:31 GMT
I think £20m is reasonable.
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 23, 2019 16:08:58 GMT
Who is going to pay that? To play he'll have to go to a mid table at best team at best, Bournemouth perhaps. Let's say their budget is £50million (stretching it I'd say) are they really going to splash half of it on a Championship keeper when they might have other areas that need filling e.g. replacing Wilson if he goes? I really hope we do get top dollar but I can't see it. Bournemouth spend a fair few pennies Pugs. I know, but £30million a keeper from the Championship? Can't see it.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 23, 2019 16:11:45 GMT
Admittedly they have gone to around £20m for Solanke, Ake and Lerma.
But just can't see them going higher than that for Butland.
Can only see that kind of fee if one of the real big boys gets involved, and that looks pretty unlikely at the moment
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Post by mattythestokie on Apr 23, 2019 16:12:48 GMT
If Jack Butland isn't worth over £20 million I'd be staggered. For his own sake he needs to go and I wouldn't blame him. Who is going to pay that? To play he'll have to go to a mid table at best team at best, Bournemouth perhaps. Let's say their budget is £50million (stretching it I'd say) are they really going to splash half of it on a Championship keeper when they might have other areas that need filling e.g. replacing Wilson if he goes? I really hope we do get top dollar but I can't see it. Well then they would use the money from Wilson to fund his replacement. Still young, English, well known. Close to the top of clean sheets in the champ so he’s got something to boast. Someone will pay 20 for him. Let’s not forget the ridiculous amounts clubs spend on players. How much did they sign Solanke for???
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 23, 2019 16:13:51 GMT
Admittedly they have gone to around £20m for Solanke, Ake and Lerma. But just can't see them going higher than that for Butland. Can only see that kind of fee if one of the real big boys gets involved, and that looks pretty unlikely at the moment Man Utd if DeGea goes? Other than that the others are well covered.
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 23, 2019 16:14:41 GMT
Who is going to pay that? To play he'll have to go to a mid table at best team at best, Bournemouth perhaps. Let's say their budget is £50million (stretching it I'd say) are they really going to splash half of it on a Championship keeper when they might have other areas that need filling e.g. replacing Wilson if he goes? I really hope we do get top dollar but I can't see it. Well then they would use the money from Wilson to fund his replacement. Still young, English, well known. Close to the top of clean sheets in the champ so he’s got something to boast. Someone will pay 20 for him. Let’s not forget the ridiculous amounts clubs spend on players. How much did they sign Solanke for??? Hopefully you are correct.
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 23, 2019 16:15:08 GMT
Whatever Pickford went for Butland has to be around the same figure. He's been around longer and is as good if not better. Yet Pickford is England #1 ahead of him, and playing in a higher division, two facts which - no offence - will count for a lot more than a Stoke fan’s opinion that Jack is better. There is absolutely zero chance of us getting what Pickford went for. If we got anything close to 20 I’d be happy but being realistic which club in the pool that might be interested is going to cough up that much for a goalkeeper?
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Post by clarkeda on Apr 23, 2019 16:16:13 GMT
Admittedly they have gone to around £20m for Solanke, Ake and Lerma. But just can't see them going higher than that for Butland. Can only see that kind of fee if one of the real big boys gets involved, and that looks pretty unlikely at the moment Man Utd if DeGea goes? Other than that the others are well covered. Could see lloris off tbh, he’s cost them a lot this season, and all the spurs fans I know (admittedly not many) think he’s on the decline.
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 23, 2019 16:16:27 GMT
Who is going to pay that? To play he'll have to go to a mid table at best team at best, Bournemouth perhaps. Let's say their budget is £50million (stretching it I'd say) are they really going to splash half of it on a Championship keeper when they might have other areas that need filling e.g. replacing Wilson if he goes? I really hope we do get top dollar but I can't see it. Well then they would use the money from Wilson to fund his replacement. Still young, English, well known. Close to the top of clean sheets in the champ so he’s got something to boast. Someone will pay 20 for him. Let’s not forget the ridiculous amounts clubs spend on players. How much did they sign Solanke for??? Not the same with goalkeepers
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Apr 23, 2019 16:22:24 GMT
Bournemouth spent 40 million on Ake and Solanke. I'd say butland is worth as much as those
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Post by lordb on Apr 23, 2019 16:32:16 GMT
Bournemouth spend a fair few pennies Pugs. I know, but £30million a keeper from the Championship? Can't see it. £30m? No I agree, sorry thought we were talking £15m
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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 23, 2019 17:13:27 GMT
Leicester have enquired apparently as Schmeichel is off to a big European club.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Apr 23, 2019 17:17:32 GMT
I’ve been saying it for months:
I will be absolutely astounded if we get more than £15m for Jack.
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Post by lordb on Apr 23, 2019 17:19:32 GMT
I’ve been saying it for months: I will be absolutely astounded if we get more than £15m for Jack. If there are two or three clubs keen then we could get a lot more. However we may end up with £15m (or player + cash)
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Post by nonameface on Apr 23, 2019 17:21:37 GMT
Whatever Pickford went for Butland has to be around the same figure. He's been around longer and is as good if not better. Yet Pickford is England #1 ahead of him, and playing in a higher division, two facts which - no offence - will count for a lot more than a Stoke fan’s opinion that Jack is better. There is absolutely zero chance of us getting what Pickford went for. If we got anything close to 20 I’d be happy but being realistic which club in the pool that might be interested is going to cough up that much for a goalkeeper? Pickford is ahead of him, but when he joined Everton he wasn't, they were equal. Football transfer prices have gone up so we should be looking for the same as what was achieved for pickford. Chelsea, Man Utd, Spurs could all be after new keepers which may see a few keeper transfers.
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