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Post by PotterLog on Apr 23, 2019 17:54:11 GMT
Yet Pickford is England #1 ahead of him, and playing in a higher division, two facts which - no offence - will count for a lot more than a Stoke fan’s opinion that Jack is better. There is absolutely zero chance of us getting what Pickford went for. If we got anything close to 20 I’d be happy but being realistic which club in the pool that might be interested is going to cough up that much for a goalkeeper? Pickford is ahead of him, but when he joined Everton he wasn't, they were equal. Football transfer prices have gone up so we should be looking for the same as what was achieved for pickford. Chelsea, Man Utd, Spurs could all be after new keepers which may see a few keeper transfers. Exactly, they were about equal. Since then Jack has regressed to clear second in the England setup and dropped a division. I know the Brazilian keepers have gone for astronomical amounts recently but 25m is still an uncommonly massive fee for a goalie, and I just don’t think any club that has that much to splash on a keeper is going to be looking at Jack.
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Post by callas12 on Apr 23, 2019 19:44:01 GMT
Big percentage to Birmingham dont forget! Hence why a swap deal could make more sense. A keeper plus cash deal could equate to not paying Brum as much as they were hoping to receive. Not sure how a % clause sell on fee is worked out in a player exchange type deal as guessing the 2x clubs involved only know the real value of the exchange element to it.
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Post by clarkeda on Apr 23, 2019 19:48:12 GMT
Leicester have enquired apparently as Schmeichel is off to a big European club. Danny Ward and 15m would do very very nicely.
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Post by clarkeda on Apr 23, 2019 19:49:57 GMT
Big percentage to Birmingham dont forget! Hence why a swap deal could make more sense. A keeper plus cash deal could equate to not paying Brum as much as they were hoping to receive. Not sure how a % clause sell on fee is worked out in a player exchange type deal as guessing the 2x clubs involved only know the real value of the exchange element to it. See above Danny ward plus cash would be very very attractive
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Post by nonameface on Apr 23, 2019 20:13:28 GMT
Pickford is ahead of him, but when he joined Everton he wasn't, they were equal. Football transfer prices have gone up so we should be looking for the same as what was achieved for pickford. Chelsea, Man Utd, Spurs could all be after new keepers which may see a few keeper transfers. Exactly, they were about equal. Since then Jack has regressed to clear second in the England setup and dropped a division. I know the Brazilian keepers have gone for astronomical amounts recently but 25m is still an uncommonly massive fee for a goalie, and I just don’t think any club that has that much to splash on a keeper is going to be looking at Jack. Yeah the Brazilian keeper values have been crazy. £25m is a higher value than normal, however, Jack is now in the same division the selling club, Sunderland, were when they sold Pickford. I get we are likely to receive less than was achieved for Pickford, but the club should be advertising higher. Fortunately, since becoming No.1, Pickford's value is estimated at £50m+ so we will be able to use this as extra weight.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Apr 23, 2019 20:20:15 GMT
Exactly, they were about equal. Since then Jack has regressed to clear second in the England setup and dropped a division. I know the Brazilian keepers have gone for astronomical amounts recently but 25m is still an uncommonly massive fee for a goalie, and I just don’t think any club that has that much to splash on a keeper is going to be looking at Jack. Yeah the Brazilian keeper values have been crazy. £25m is a higher value than normal, however, Jack is now in the same division the selling club, Sunderland, were when they sold Pickford. I get we are likely to receive less than was achieved for Pickford, but the club should be advertising higher. Fortunately, since becoming No.1, Pickford's value is estimated at £50m+ so we will be able to use this as extra weight. However the clubs who would be willing/able to pay £25m+ for a keeper won't want him and those that do are likely to be pitching at £15m tops or thinking they can get better value abroad.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Apr 24, 2019 6:30:12 GMT
Yeah the Brazilian keeper values have been crazy. £25m is a higher value than normal, however, Jack is now in the same division the selling club, Sunderland, were when they sold Pickford. I get we are likely to receive less than was achieved for Pickford, but the club should be advertising higher. Fortunately, since becoming No.1, Pickford's value is estimated at £50m+ so we will be able to use this as extra weight. However the clubs who would be willing/able to pay £25m+ for a keeper won't want him and those that do are likely to be pitching at £15m tops or thinking they can get better value abroad. Eddie has a hard on for young English players though
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Post by StokieNath on Apr 24, 2019 6:35:51 GMT
Jack and Joe will leave Etebo will go Afobe go
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Post by PotteringThrough on Apr 24, 2019 9:36:16 GMT
If we fail to get £20m plus for in terms of value (whether that be straight cash or cash plus a player) then it's shocking business.
As soon as he moves back to the prem he's worth £30m straight off the bat.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 9:55:53 GMT
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Post by lordb on Apr 24, 2019 10:33:46 GMT
Whatever he goes for we should be demanding a decent sell on clause
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Post by salifdachief on Apr 24, 2019 17:55:54 GMT
I said it earlier in the week. Get on footballindex and get buyin Butland futures now.
It will only make it easier when we sell him for £12m to palace.
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Post by Absolution on Apr 24, 2019 19:03:35 GMT
Big percentage to Birmingham dont forget! Hence why a swap deal could make more sense. A keeper plus cash deal could equate to not paying Brum as much as they were hoping to receive. Not sure how a % clause sell on fee is worked out in a player exchange type deal as guessing the 2x clubs involved only know the real value of the exchange element to it. That shouldn't make a difference. The clubs still have to nominate a value to each player and have to be seen to be doing this accurately where there's a sell-on clause. I've mentioned this before and someone actually quoted a case where the figures had been skewed so that the full sell-on value wasn't paid. The club who were due to receive a percentage appealed and won their case. The selling club then had to pay them the correct amount based on the players true value.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Apr 24, 2019 20:38:04 GMT
Only six goalkeepers have EVER gone for more than £20m in all of world football. Therefore Palace or Bournmouth ain't gonna pay it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 20:43:40 GMT
Only six goalkeepers have EVER gone for more than £20m in all of world football. Therefore Palace or Bournmouth ain't gonna pay it. Two of them before Pickford therefore Pickford couldn’t go for more than 20? Not a good argument. I can’t see it being 30, I could see it being 18-25. What did we pay for vokes et al? Crazy money is as crazy money does.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Apr 24, 2019 21:01:02 GMT
Only six goalkeepers have EVER gone for more than £20m in all of world football. Therefore Palace or Bournmouth ain't gonna pay it. Two of them before Pickford therefore Pickford couldn’t go for more than 20? Not a good argument. I can’t see it being 30, I could see it being 18-25. What did we pay for vokes et al? Crazy money is as crazy money does. Pickford was overpriced and bought by a new Everton owner happy to back Koeman in making 'statement' signings. Siggurdson at £44m was another one. Steve Parish and Maxim Denim are I suspect a bit more streetwise and will see the value in Dubravka at 'castle at £3.6m or even an established international Rui Patricio at only £16m.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 25, 2019 17:08:26 GMT
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 25, 2019 17:09:53 GMT
Jack and Joe will leave Etebo will go Afobe go Why would Etebo go?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Apr 25, 2019 17:19:50 GMT
I really don't want Begovic back, he started costing us points towards the end of his first spell with us and has continued to spiral downwards. You must be a dodgy keeper to get dropped TWICE for Artur Boruc in the same season.
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Post by Veritas on Apr 25, 2019 18:09:40 GMT
Jack didn't make the PFA Championship team of the year so his peers don't even rate him as the best keeper in the second tier! I certainly think he is but this shows how reputation can be adversely affected by being in a poorly performing team.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 25, 2019 18:14:09 GMT
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Post by Davef on Apr 25, 2019 18:17:38 GMT
Jack didn't make the PFA Championship team of the year so his peers don't even rate him as the best keeper in the second tier! I certainly think he is but this shows how reputation can be adversely affected by being in a poorly performing team. He's England's No. 2 'keeper, so there is that.
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Post by xchpotter on Apr 25, 2019 21:18:33 GMT
Hope we don’t go for Begovic. He’s a bit dodgy at the moment and I think we had his best years. Save the wage money.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2019 21:40:22 GMT
Jack and Joe will leave Etebo will go Afobe go Why would Etebo go? Bundesliga is better than the championship?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 25, 2019 22:36:10 GMT
Bundesliga is better than the championship? True but no ones going to be paying stupid money and I can't see any other reason we'd let him leave.
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 25, 2019 22:44:01 GMT
I think it would be a fantastic coup to get Begovic back. 32 is no age at all for a goalkeeper and regardless of his recent form we all know what a class goalkeeper he is.
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Post by tony1234 on Apr 25, 2019 22:44:34 GMT
Hence why a swap deal could make more sense. A keeper plus cash deal could equate to not paying Brum as much as they were hoping to receive. Not sure how a % clause sell on fee is worked out in a player exchange type deal as guessing the 2x clubs involved only know the real value of the exchange element to it. See above Danny ward plus cash would be very very attractive Would it be greedy to also try and get Choudhury on loan too - sounds a good CDM option, needing game time? www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/brendan-rodgers-gives-verdict-hamza-2738233
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Post by StokieBoy31 on Apr 25, 2019 22:53:43 GMT
Begovic isn’t the keeper that left us unfortunately, I’d rather a young keeper like Danny Ward or the Blackburn keeper.
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Post by camstoke10 on Apr 25, 2019 23:33:33 GMT
Begovic isn’t the keeper that left us unfortunately, I’d rather a young keeper like Danny Ward or the Blackburn keeper. but with all these players like butland, fletch, Adam, Allen, you would expect that we would need to sign someone like begovic for the experience
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 26, 2019 1:49:25 GMT
I suspect 15m plus Begovic is the best we could get.
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