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Post by Squeekster on Nov 21, 2019 9:27:07 GMT
If Stoke consider another loan ‘with a view to buying ‘ they need their fucking heads looking at. Straight cash deal or go get fucked. Disagree, unless we're willing to sell for 5-10m. Would you be ok with that? He needs a loan to get away from here and to find some form. Or we sell him ridiculously cheap because he presently has naff all value. Even if he was a success there I don't think we'd get much more than £10 million unless he found the form that got him into the England squad, which not impossible on his past 2 seasons less likely. It's a double edged sword that's for sure.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Nov 21, 2019 9:29:21 GMT
Then we have to sign one, Federeci is as convincing as Prince Andrew under questioning. Federici is better than butterfingers Butland, But he isn't good enough, he's one of least imposing goalkeepers I've ever seen. And I include an over the hill Shay Given in that, who was horribly bad for us at the end.
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Post by Gods on Nov 21, 2019 9:49:19 GMT
Federici is better than butterfingers Butland, But he isn't good enough, he's one of least imposing goalkeepers I've ever seen. And I include an over the hill Shay Given in that, who was horribly bad for us at the end. Federici seems like a smashing fella, intelligent and bright, gives a good interview and really hasn't done a lot wrong. But I do agree with you on him lacking any real presence, I can't put my finger on exactly why that is, a lack of raw physicality, a state of mind, a reluctance to come out, I don't know, but you just don't feel like he is there somehow.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 9:51:17 GMT
Federici is better than butterfingers Butland, But he isn't good enough, he's one of least imposing goalkeepers I've ever seen. And I include an over the hill Shay Given in that, who was horribly bad for us at the end. But has still been much better than Butland this season. We do have another option,the invisible man we signed from Barnsley
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Post by sneydgreenstokie1 on Nov 21, 2019 10:15:31 GMT
I wonder what O'Neill will make of Adam Davies. Clean start and all of that
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Post by lordb on Nov 21, 2019 10:56:53 GMT
Federici is better than butterfingers Butland, And his value will be a lot higher with another 6 months off his contract? If his form picks up as a result of a fresh start back in the Premier League absolutely it would go up. Right now his value has plummeted
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Post by stokie1947 on Nov 21, 2019 11:14:29 GMT
10 mill with a sell on clause
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Post by berahinosgoals on Nov 21, 2019 11:34:56 GMT
From what I've seen from butland this season I'd negotiate the best cash deal with performance based add ons, a player included and take the money & run
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 21, 2019 11:35:09 GMT
10 mill with a sell on clause He could go on a free for me. Butland has been a liability this season and the fact that he keeps getting picked despite being so clearly out of form is doing nothing for squad morale. Federici has been fine and the defence appear to have far more confidence when he's on the pitch. I feel sorry for Butland he seems a decent bloke and things have gone wrong but it's best for him and the club if he moves on.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 11:58:35 GMT
It would be interesting to see Jack's reaction to Barnsley's second goal had it been 0-0.
His head seems somewhere else to me.
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Post by jonnybravo on Nov 21, 2019 12:00:18 GMT
High earner off the wage bill abit more money for Michael to spend get him gone, federici has been fine in goal this season for us
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Post by jimmygscfc on Nov 21, 2019 12:13:41 GMT
Jack's fall from grace and catastrophic loss of form is one of the biggest football mysteries of recent times.
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Post by steewee on Nov 21, 2019 12:22:27 GMT
Agree with 10m + sell on
Think we need to avoid loan because of reducing contract length and him devaluing further
Would not be fussed at all to see the back of him. Bar some worldies, he's a nobody in recent years compared with Bego/Soro.
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Post by Gods on Nov 21, 2019 12:38:24 GMT
Agree with 10m + sell on
Think we need to avoid loan because of reducing contract length and him devaluing further Would not be fussed at all to see the back of him. Bar some worldies, he's a nobody in recent years compared with Bego/Soro. I think we all would but has anyone come up with £10m I ask myself?
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Post by wrighter on Nov 21, 2019 12:41:35 GMT
I read Norwich are interested
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Post by Scrotnig on Nov 21, 2019 13:00:55 GMT
But he isn't good enough, he's one of least imposing goalkeepers I've ever seen. And I include an over the hill Shay Given in that, who was horribly bad for us at the end. Federici seems like a smashing fella, intelligent and bright, gives a good interview and really hasn't done a lot wrong. But I do agree with you on him lacking any real presence, I can't put my finger on exactly why that is, a lack of raw physicality, a state of mind, a reluctance to come out, I don't know, but you just don't feel like he is there somehow. At the moment though, he’s better than Butland and should be starting.
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Post by Will_75 on Nov 21, 2019 13:31:20 GMT
Jack's fall from grace and catastrophic loss of form is one of the biggest football mysteries of recent times. Can it be traced back to that ankle injury with England*? Does he, deep down, know that his international career is over and there is an absolute mountain to climb to get anywhere near that form again? *Feels like that, although the facts might prove otherwise. Can't be arsed to research it.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Nov 21, 2019 14:28:53 GMT
Jack's fall from grace and catastrophic loss of form is one of the biggest football mysteries of recent times. I'm not so sure it's a mystery tbh, he had a very serious ankle injury which took a very long time to recover from, then suffered another just before he was supposed to return ahead of 16/17. Then when he does return properly in 17-18 he's behind the most porous defence in Europe for a time, massive confidence knock. He then makes a catastrophic mistake in a key game (Leicester away) as a result of that loss of confidence. We go down and all the talk is about how he needs to move to keep his England career on track, it doesn't materialise. His head is scrambled and he makes a mistake in the Leeds game, and the defence is still shite despite some his best efforts. He recovers and has a pretty decent season and it looks like his move away is all sewn up only for the goalposts to be moved and his head is scrambled again and this time the team is worse than ever, this time in the knowledge his window may well have closed for some considerable time.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Nov 21, 2019 15:13:39 GMT
I read Norwich are interested they'll be in the same division as us next season.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 16:20:14 GMT
Jack's fall from grace and catastrophic loss of form is one of the biggest football mysteries of recent times. Can it be traced back to that ankle injury with England*? Does he, deep down, know that his international career is over and there is an absolute mountain to climb to get anywhere near that form again? *Feels like that, although the facts might prove otherwise. Can't be arsed to research it. It's not over, provided his next club is a stable PL side, not a big team where he'll be benched for lengthy spells, if he makes one mistake, but a decent club like Watford or So'ton where he can find his feet again. He's not even 30 yet, his best is still to come.
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Post by jeycov on Nov 21, 2019 16:26:52 GMT
But he isn't good enough, he's one of least imposing goalkeepers I've ever seen. And I include an over the hill Shay Given in that, who was horribly bad for us at the end. Federici seems like a smashing fella, intelligent and bright, gives a good interview and really hasn't done a lot wrong. But I do agree with you on him lacking any real presence, I can't put my finger on exactly why that is, a lack of raw physicality, a state of mind, a reluctance to come out, I don't know, but you just don't feel like he is there somehow. We’re still lacking a consistent back 4 or 5 and a leader in there A settled ream might help
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Post by kronkie on Nov 21, 2019 16:27:05 GMT
I read Norwich are interested they'll be in the same division as us next season. Norwich will have to do something horrendously wrong to get regelated 2 devisions 😉 (Only joking)
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Post by thevoid on Nov 21, 2019 16:34:54 GMT
Federici seems like a smashing fella, intelligent and bright, gives a good interview and really hasn't done a lot wrong. But I do agree with you on him lacking any real presence, I can't put my finger on exactly why that is, a lack of raw physicality, a state of mind, a reluctance to come out, I don't know, but you just don't feel like he is there somehow. We’re still lacking a consistent back 4 or 5 and a leader in there A settled ream might help Wouldn't a ream just paper over the cracks?
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Post by thevoid on Nov 21, 2019 16:36:09 GMT
Can it be traced back to that ankle injury with England*? Does he, deep down, know that his international career is over and there is an absolute mountain to climb to get anywhere near that form again? *Feels like that, although the facts might prove otherwise. Can't be arsed to research it. It's not over, provided his next club is a stable PL side, not a big team where he'll be benched for lengthy spells, if he makes one mistake, but a decent club like Watford or So'ton where he can find his feet again. He's not even 30 yet, his best is still to come. Southampton or Watford? Haven't they seen enough goals fly past them this season?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 16:36:57 GMT
We’re still lacking a consistent back 4 or 5 and a leader in there A settled ream might help Wouldn't a ream just paper over the cracks? That was an A1 response...or was it A4 ?
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Post by thevoid on Nov 21, 2019 16:38:29 GMT
Wouldn't a ream just paper over the cracks? That was an A1 response...or was it A4 ? I don't know but it doesn't leave much margin for error
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Post by Gary Hackett on Nov 21, 2019 18:20:45 GMT
Can't be worth any more than 8m now.
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Post by Goonie on Nov 21, 2019 18:30:00 GMT
Jack's fall from grace and catastrophic loss of form is one of the biggest football mysteries of recent times. Can it be traced back to that ankle injury with England*? Does he, deep down, know that his international career is over and there is an absolute mountain to climb to get anywhere near that form again? *Feels like that, although the facts might prove otherwise. Can't be arsed to research it. 🎯👍
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Post by GoBoks on Nov 21, 2019 18:42:12 GMT
Can it be traced back to that ankle injury with England*? Does he, deep down, know that his international career is over and there is an absolute mountain to climb to get anywhere near that form again? *Feels like that, although the facts might prove otherwise. Can't be arsed to research it. It's not over, provided his next club is a stable PL side, not a big team where he'll be benched for lengthy spells, if he makes one mistake, but a decent club like Watford or So'ton where he can find his feet again. He's not even 30 yet, his best is still to come. Wouldn't surprise me to see both Watford and S'hampton relegated.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 19:31:27 GMT
It's not over, provided his next club is a stable PL side, not a big team where he'll be benched for lengthy spells, if he makes one mistake, but a decent club like Watford or So'ton where he can find his feet again. He's not even 30 yet, his best is still to come. Southampton or Watford? Haven't they seen enough goals fly past them this season? Maybe but they are better than you know who.
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