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Post by pez75 on Mar 5, 2019 10:45:45 GMT
Best player on Stoke's books. That would be Peter Etebo. Not yet, and not by a long chalk. Peter Etebo has shown glimpses of what he is capable of and if he can start doing it consistently you may well be proven right - but not yet. And that is one of the shining qualities that Joe possesses - consistency. Barring a couple of games at the start of this season, he has been at the same level since he first arrived. His effort and attitude are exemplary and above that he has skill and a footballing brain. A class act that would be welcome at every Prem team bar the top 7 and we are lucky that he pledged his allegience to us this season - especially when he must have had an insiders inkling at the rot that had set in. While I accept that no player is immune from criticism, people using terms like 'shit' and 'wank' to describe Joe Allen are utter fuckwits tbh. Using terms like 'headless chicken' is slighlty more constructive but still way off the mark and I suspect that a few of the perpetrators probably slagged off the likes of Arnie, Shaq & Fuller for being 'lazy'. Any detriment to the team in the past due to Joe's inclusion in any position is purely the fault of the manager and no-one else. In fact Joe should be commended for never showing frustration or petulance at being asked to do the almost impossible and play two positions bridging no10 and centre mid like previous managers have asked - probably because they know he would never moan or question or slacken his efforts. Joe has been one of the best and most consistent players to play for Stoke in decades and I just hope that we show enough between now and the end of the season to convince him (& Butland & co) that we have turned a corner and will be challenging for promotion next season.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 5, 2019 11:29:13 GMT
That would be Peter Etebo. Not yet, and not by a long chalk. Peter Etebo has shown glimpses of what he is capable of and if he can start doing it consistently you may well be proven right - but not yet. And that is one of the shining qualities that Joe possesses - consistency. Barring a couple of games at the start of this season, he has been at the same level since he first arrived. His effort and attitude are exemplary and above that he has skill and a footballing brain. A class act that would be welcome at every Prem team bar the top 7 and we are lucky that he pledged his allegience to us this season - especially when he must have had an insiders inkling at the rot that had set in. While I accept that no player is immune from criticism, people using terms like 'shit' and 'wank' to describe Joe Allen are utter fuckwits tbh. Using terms like 'headless chicken' is slighlty more constructive but still way off the mark and I suspect that a few of the perpetrators probably slagged off the likes of Arnie, Shaq & Fuller for being 'lazy'. Any detriment to the team in the past due to Joe's inclusion in any position is purely the fault of the manager and no-one else. In fact Joe should be commended for never showing frustration or petulance at being asked to do the almost impossible and play two positions bridging no10 and centre mid like previous managers have asked - probably because they know he would never moan or question or slacken his efforts. Joe has been one of the best and most consistent players to play for Stoke in decades and I just hope that we show enough between now and the end of the season to convince him (& Butland & co) that we have turned a corner and will be challenging for promotion next season. I agree to most extents, I just think what we’ve seen of Etebo in the last two games indicates his true potential, Jones seems to have found their natural positions which we haven’t seen since the departure of N’Zonzi. As soon as Etebo went off we stopped crashing through the middle of the park with possession. I think both have suffered greatly from managerial circumstances and tactics. Allen is not a good number 10, and it was unfair to ask him to play there, it was sadly only his amazing start (4 in 4 or whatever it was) that kept him there, ironically to the detriment of both the team and Allen himself. In Etebo, I think we have a real real player, who has the attacking side to his game as well as the defensive. Hence my assertion that he is, or certainly will end up being a better player than Joe.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 23, 2019 18:27:10 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 18:30:47 GMT
Anyone know if he's decided pass forward yet?
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Post by mattythestokie on Apr 23, 2019 18:41:47 GMT
Anyone know if he's decided pass forward yet? Pains me to read some of the things said about him after he committed to trying get us promoted from the championship. People will realise how good he is when he’s gone.
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Post by gingerninja on Apr 23, 2019 18:43:39 GMT
Realistically it could be his last chance for one last big pay day. I for one wouldn't begrudge him moving on. If all Stoke players had his spirit week in, week out, we wouldn't be where we are.
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Apr 23, 2019 19:00:26 GMT
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Apr 23, 2019 19:00:26 GMT
Cash in in the summer.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 19:01:13 GMT
Nice bloke but there are far better midfielders for the money we'd get for him.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Apr 23, 2019 19:12:56 GMT
I can see watford, west ham or palace coming in for him and him doing really well for them. He's entering his best years so hopefully we'll get back what we paid.
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Post by clarkeda on Apr 23, 2019 19:23:27 GMT
The start of hughes decline.
Signing joe Allen and dismantling the team he’d built for him.
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 23, 2019 19:48:20 GMT
In the 120 League games we have played since Joe has been here we have W 29 D 43 L 48
In the 120 League games before he came we had W 44 D 31 L 45
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Post by heworksardtho on Apr 23, 2019 19:54:06 GMT
If he was good enough for Liverpool then ..........😎
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Post by Fred Merger on Apr 23, 2019 19:54:14 GMT
I can see watford, west ham or palace coming in for him and him doing really well for them. He's entering his best years so hopefully we'll get back what we paid. Or Brendan at Leicester?
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Post by Fred Merger on Apr 23, 2019 19:55:09 GMT
The start of hughes decline. Signing joe Allen and dismantling the team he’d built for him. The start of Hughes decline was getting rid of Robert Huth!
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Post by clarkeda on Apr 23, 2019 19:56:18 GMT
The start of hughes decline. Signing joe Allen and dismantling the team he’d built for him. The start of Hughes decline was getting rid of Robert Huth! I don’t think that’s fair. We were very very good for a period after huth left.
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Post by bigcashprizes on Apr 23, 2019 19:59:23 GMT
Joe is one of the good guys. We can question his usefulness within the framework of the team, but we can’t question his commitment (amongst a sea of shitty layabouts) to the club.
If he stays, then I’ll be happy, but if he goes, he goes with my blessing.
There’s been plenty worse players over the years
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 23, 2019 20:05:39 GMT
The start of hughes decline. Signing joe Allen and dismantling the team he’d built for him. The start of Hughes decline was getting rid of Robert Huth! Huth was out for a year from November 2013, he played 12 games that season before he was injured and we finished 9th without him and finished the 9th the season after (2014/15) when Huth didn't feature at all, so that doesn't follow at all.
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Post by bigcashprizes on Apr 23, 2019 20:16:53 GMT
The start of Hughes decline was getting rid of Robert Huth! Huth was out for a year from November 2013, he played 12 games that season before he was injured and we finished 9th without him and finished the 9th the season after (2014/15) when Huth didn't feature at all, so that doesn't follow at all. Huthy would have had a nervous breakdown with the high defensive line that we were employing. At Leicester, he just had to stay on the edge of his own box and head it/boot it up to Vardy. Like comparing apples and oranges.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Apr 23, 2019 20:24:17 GMT
In the 120 League games we have played since Joe has been here we have W 29 D 43 L 48 In the 120 League games before he came we had W 44 D 31 L 45 They would probably be very similar stats for Jack Butland. All of which would prove nothing.
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Post by nonameface on Apr 23, 2019 20:25:23 GMT
I'll be really pleased to see him gone.
Whilst he's quite clearly very comfortable on the ball, can keep the ball ticking along over short distances and is fit enough to play a pressing game he isn't the right type of player for a team looking to get promoted. We'd be better suited with a player who is either better in the air who can protect the back line better, or another who is better going forward, providing either or all of; more general creativity, playing more direct forward passes or a player who has a better long range strike and so can get goals from the edge of the box.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Apr 23, 2019 20:26:39 GMT
Nice bloke but there are far better midfielders for the money we'd get for him. We've had a few. Imbula, Badou, Woods - be careful what you wish for. There was plenty on here glad to see the back of Whelan but we've never truly replaced him.
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 23, 2019 20:41:23 GMT
In the 120 League games we have played since Joe has been here we have W 29 D 43 L 48 In the 120 League games before he came we had W 44 D 31 L 45 They would probably be very similar stats for Jack Butland. All of which would prove nothing. Not really, we finished 9th in Butland's first full season and he hardly played in the 16/17 season when we started our decline (Allen's first full season).
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Post by stokeykez on Apr 23, 2019 20:45:47 GMT
If we sell him, we need to get Ben Pearson from Preston, nasty little shit who never stopped running
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 23, 2019 20:58:40 GMT
Joe has been good for us, but in many ways it's difficult to find a place in midfielde where he fits in perfectly. Anywhere close to £15M and I would sell. This because of his age, and that I think we can find a player for half of what we get for him with half the salery who would fit the diamond system better.
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Post by smallthorner on Apr 23, 2019 21:06:54 GMT
The start of hughes decline. Signing joe Allen and dismantling the team he’d built for him. Yep. Mark wet his pants at the Euros. Signed little Joe... And we've never been the same since.
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Post by Uncle cheese on Apr 23, 2019 21:12:28 GMT
If we sell him, we need to get Ben Pearson from Preston, nasty little shit who never stopped running He gets booked practically every other game. A quick google and he has14 yellows and 3 reds this season. 30 games played He also has 1 goal in four seasons. 4 assists in that time. Played 30 games for Preston this season and I’m assuming the other 14 games he’s missed are likely to be through suspension! The stick Allen gets now, this guy would probably get double the amount of abuse for being another headless chicken and a walking yellow card (when he’s allowed to play)
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 23, 2019 21:18:22 GMT
I've been very critical of Allen but I still think we should try to find a way of working him into a successful system. None of the managers he's played under here have managed to do that. He seems to need a very particular midfield set up to maximise his ability otherwise he and the team struggle. I think he links up well with Verlindon from what I have seen.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 23, 2019 21:21:58 GMT
The start of Hughes decline was getting rid of Robert Huth! I don’t think that’s fair. We were very very good for a period after huth left. But not as good as the team he joined never mind we got Wolfy jazz hands for the same price ..........................
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Post by smallthorner on Apr 23, 2019 22:11:05 GMT
I've been very critical of Allen but I still think we should try to find a way of working him into a successful system. None of the managers he's played under here have managed to do that. He seems to need a very particular midfield set up to maximise his ability otherwise he and the team struggle. I think he links up well with Verlindon from what I have seen. I think four managers have been trying to do that mate. He's a space that needs replacing in my opinion. The Wales team seemed to revolve around him at that tournament. And we haven't got Gareth Bale. ☺
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Post by melbournestokie21 on Apr 24, 2019 1:18:23 GMT
Probably sound silly here but kind of felt bad for him a little bit. Having a nice little interview then Nige puts him under the pump big time. Tone clearly changed
I think its fairly obvious he doesnt want to be here and we have to give him credit for staying this season to try and bounce back. We dont know what kind of offers etc he had last summer
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