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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2019 9:13:03 GMT
Do you not think he had a good game today? Genuinely, no. Thought he played very well as CDM yesterday.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 3, 2019 12:00:28 GMT
I'm not a massive Joe Allen fan at all and I have a lot of sympathy for the suggestion that we didn't ever actually need him in the first place and that he has been a major contributor to unbalancing the team.
However I thought that yesterday was by far and away the most disciplined performance I've seen from him in a Stoke shirt and I assumed that coaching from Jones must be responsible for that.
Long may it continue.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 3, 2019 18:27:10 GMT
We may well not have needed him when we signed him , but we will miss him Terribly when he leaves , best Hope is a Leicester ,v Bournemouth Dutch auction which drives the price as high as we can get . Worse of course is what bright idea the most incompetent transfer and commercial team will dream up as a creative replacement , and what ludicrous contract they may commit to
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Post by silverdollar on Mar 4, 2019 17:31:44 GMT
We may well not have needed him when we signed him , but we will miss him Terribly when he leaves , best Hope is a Leicester ,v Bournemouth Dutch auction which drives the price as high as we can get . Worse of course is what bright idea the most incompetent transfer and commercial team will dream up as a creative replacement , and what ludicrous contract they may commit to Any person who supports Stoke and watches games regularly home and away who has anything negative to say about Joe Allen I'm afraid is a cretin and does not understand football. He is the one person in our team who continually wins the ball back for us. He consistently covers more ground than any other player in doing this. On Saturday he was outstanding! For his physical size he wins many headers and his courage is unquestionable. He then regularly makes many incisive runs into the six yard box when the ball is arriving and has been rewarded with a number of important goals. I agree that many Premier Clubs will be interested in him next season. His wife is a headteacher in this area so he might stay especially as his kids are at a formative stage in their education. What ever happens he has been our best player by a long long way over the last few seasons.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Mar 4, 2019 17:44:24 GMT
We may well not have needed him when we signed him , but we will miss him Terribly when he leaves , best Hope is a Leicester ,v Bournemouth Dutch auction which drives the price as high as we can get . Worse of course is what bright idea the most incompetent transfer and commercial team will dream up as a creative replacement , and what ludicrous contract they may commit to Any person who supports Stoke and watches games regularly home and away who has anything negative to say about Joe Allen I'm afraid is a cretin and does not understand football. He is the one person in our team who continually wins the ball back for us. He consistently covers more ground than any other player in doing this. On Saturday he was outstanding! For his physical size he wins many headers and his courage is unquestionable. He then regularly makes many incisive runs into the six yard box when the ball is arriving and has been rewarded with a number of important goals. I agree that many Premier Clubs will be interested in him next season. His wife is a headteacher in this area so he might stay especially as his kids are at a formative stage in their education. What ever happens he has been our best player by a long long way over the last few seasons. I'm now a Cretin and a Neanderthal all in one season 😄 Joe's had a handful of outstanding games for Stoke, but in the whole has been utterly shit and a key factor in why we are where we are. IF and it is a big if he can add the same level of discipline to his game that he showed yesterday from now until the end of the season then great but Joe, just like Stoke have had many a false dawn the last 2-3 years so we shall see.
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 4, 2019 18:00:07 GMT
Any person who supports Stoke and watches games regularly home and away who has anything negative to say about Joe Allen I'm afraid is a cretin and does not understand football. He is the one person in our team who continually wins the ball back for us. He consistently covers more ground than any other player in doing this. On Saturday he was outstanding! For his physical size he wins many headers and his courage is unquestionable. He then regularly makes many incisive runs into the six yard box when the ball is arriving and has been rewarded with a number of important goals. I agree that many Premier Clubs will be interested in him next season. His wife is a headteacher in this area so he might stay especially as his kids are at a formative stage in their education. What ever happens he has been our best player by a long long way over the last few seasons. I'm now a Cretin and a Neanderthal all in one season 😄 Joe's had a handful of outstanding games for Stoke, but in the whole has been utterly shit and a key factor in why we are where we are. IF and it is a big if he can add the same level of discipline to his game that he showed yesterday from now until the end of the season then great but Joe, just like Stoke have had many a false dawn the last 2-3 years so we shall see. Next time you see a Stoke throw watch Joe and see how work he puts in to make himself available and help keep the ball.
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Post by musik on Mar 4, 2019 18:14:55 GMT
He loses the ball in midfield to easily at times, but still not our worst midfielder.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Mar 4, 2019 19:07:01 GMT
I'm now a Cretin and a Neanderthal all in one season 😄 Joe's had a handful of outstanding games for Stoke, but in the whole has been utterly shit and a key factor in why we are where we are. IF and it is a big if he can add the same level of discipline to his game that he showed yesterday from now until the end of the season then great but Joe, just like Stoke have had many a false dawn the last 2-3 years so we shall see. Next time you see a Stoke throw watch Joe and see how work he puts in to make himself available and help keep the ball. Fantastic. An "off the ball throw in receiving specialist" is just what we have needed for the past 3 years. Look, I like Joe Allen. Solid pro who I would imagine is well liked in the dressing room and is committed to performing well every game. However this does not make him exempt from criticism and his default mode of playing which is tear-arsing around the pitch and leaving huge gaping holes in our midfield has coincided with a very steep decline of this club. What we all saw on Saturday was a much more disciplined performance and one that allowed us as a team to remain solid whilst controlling the game and not allowing the opposition the freedom of the Bet365 to stroll towards our own goal. This is exactly what we need from Joe but it remains to be seen if he can stay disciplined enough in the remaining games. I very much hope so but I have a strong feeling we will be parting ways at the end of the season and it's probably best for all concerned.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 4, 2019 19:59:16 GMT
Any person who supports Stoke and watches games regularly home and away who has anything negative to say about Joe Allen I'm afraid is a cretin and does not understand football. He is the one person in our team who continually wins the ball back for us. He consistently covers more ground than any other player in doing this. On Saturday he was outstanding! For his physical size he wins many headers and his courage is unquestionable. He then regularly makes many incisive runs into the six yard box when the ball is arriving and has been rewarded with a number of important goals. I agree that many Premier Clubs will be interested in him next season. His wife is a headteacher in this area so he might stay especially as his kids are at a formative stage in their education. What ever happens he has been our best player by a long long way over the last few seasons. I'm now a Cretin and a Neanderthal all in one season 😄 Joe's had a handful of outstanding games for Stoke, but in the whole has been utterly shit and a key factor in why we are where we are. IF and it is a big if he can add the same level of discipline to his game that he showed yesterday from now until the end of the season then great but Joe, just like Stoke have had many a false dawn the last 2-3 years so we shall see. If you’re claiming to be a cretin and Neanderthal good on you!! For a headless chicken Allen has now played over a 100 games consistently for SCFC under four different managers who despite the Oatcake, “possibly” understand a little more about professional football than a majority of posters. Hey, dont let the last sentence change you’re opinion. However it may make you think a little more with an open mind.
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Post by santy on Mar 4, 2019 20:04:22 GMT
I think the big problem for Allen is that too many managers ask him to be something more general, and he really will do it. He's not given a niche in the team, a specific remit that is for him only. It tends to create situations where because he's doing so many jobs he's not in the best position for one bit of build up play or that he's not near to where the action is for a short lay-off and angled pass at the right times.
I think Allen would really thrive alongside an Nzonzi type player, so that there's less burden on him.
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Post by mattador78 on Mar 4, 2019 20:12:02 GMT
I think the big problem for Allen is that too many managers ask him to be something more general, and he really will do it. He's not given a niche in the team, a specific remit that is for him only. It tends to create situations where because he's doing so many jobs he's not in the best position for one bit of build up play or that he's not near to where the action is for a short lay-off and angled pass at the right times. I think Allen would really thrive alongside an Nzonzi type player, so that there's less burden on him. Allen and etebo in tandem centre of midfield is the way to go if Charlie is the base. Allows plenty of choice for the tip of the diamond and the ability for those three players to swap roles during the game if required. I don’t want see etebo at the base anymore as we lose something when he drives forward
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Post by silverdollar on Mar 4, 2019 20:12:51 GMT
Any person who supports Stoke and watches games regularly home and away who has anything negative to say about Joe Allen I'm afraid is a cretin and does not understand football. He is the one person in our team who continually wins the ball back for us. He consistently covers more ground than any other player in doing this. On Saturday he was outstanding! For his physical size he wins many headers and his courage is unquestionable. He then regularly makes many incisive runs into the six yard box when the ball is arriving and has been rewarded with a number of important goals. I agree that many Premier Clubs will be interested in him next season. His wife is a headteacher in this area so he might stay especially as his kids are at a formative stage in their education. What ever happens he has been our best player by a long long way over the last few seasons. I'm now a Cretin and a Neanderthal all in one season 😄 Joe's had a handful of outstanding games for Stoke, but in the whole has been utterly shit and a key factor in why we are where we are. IF and it is a big if he can add the same level of discipline to his game that he showed yesterday from now until the end of the season then great but Joe, just like Stoke have had many a false dawn the last 2-3 years so we shall see. I thought I was very clear in my post what I thought of people such as yourself and therefore I see no need to say any more other than I had to wade through loads of fans who liked my comment before reaching you!
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Mar 4, 2019 20:14:46 GMT
I'm now a Cretin and a Neanderthal all in one season 😄 Joe's had a handful of outstanding games for Stoke, but in the whole has been utterly shit and a key factor in why we are where we are. IF and it is a big if he can add the same level of discipline to his game that he showed yesterday from now until the end of the season then great but Joe, just like Stoke have had many a false dawn the last 2-3 years so we shall see. If you’re claiming to be a cretin and Neanderthal good on you!! For a headless chicken Allen has now played over a 100 games consistently for SCFC under four different managers who despite the Oatcake, “possibly” understand a little more about professional football than a majority of posters. Hey, dont let the last sentence change you’re opinion. However it may make you think a little more with an open mind. Clearly you've not read my second post about Joe instead we have gone down the Mark Hughes/Paul Lambert/Gary Rowett and now Mr Jones know more than you tact, which is fine. I have my own eyes and will make my own assumptions as I have that right as well as you do along with all those managers. And as I have said repeatedly, Joe is a good solid pro but has some some big flaws in his game that have been very damaging to us as a club. He is not on his own in that regard but his signing has caused more questions than provided answers and in my opinion is a key part of the reason we find ourselves in the position we are in. And just because he has clocked up 100 appearances will not change my opinion on that.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Mar 4, 2019 20:17:46 GMT
I'm now a Cretin and a Neanderthal all in one season 😄 Joe's had a handful of outstanding games for Stoke, but in the whole has been utterly shit and a key factor in why we are where we are. IF and it is a big if he can add the same level of discipline to his game that he showed yesterday from now until the end of the season then great but Joe, just like Stoke have had many a false dawn the last 2-3 years so we shall see. I thought I was very clear in my post what I thought of people such as yourself and therefore I see no need to say any more other than I had to wade through loads of fans who liked my comment before reaching you! All about opinions Mr Dollar.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 4, 2019 21:37:31 GMT
I thought I was very clear in my post what I thought of people such as yourself and therefore I see no need to say any more other than I had to wade through loads of fans who liked my comment before reaching you! All about opinions Mr Dollar. Every cloud has a silver dollar 🤣 Joe Allen was superb Saturday
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 4, 2019 22:22:12 GMT
If you’re claiming to be a cretin and Neanderthal good on you!! For a headless chicken Allen has now played over a 100 games consistently for SCFC under four different managers who despite the Oatcake, “possibly” understand a little more about professional football than a majority of posters. Hey, dont let the last sentence change you’re opinion. However it may make you think a little more with an open mind. Clearly you've not read my second post about Joe instead we have gone down the Mark Hughes/Paul Lambert/Gary Rowett and now Mr Jones know more than you tact, which is fine. I have my own eyes and will make my own assumptions as I have that right as well as you do along with all those managers.And as I have said repeatedly, Joe is a good solid pro but has some some big flaws in his game that have been very damaging to us as a club. He is not on his own in that regard but his signing has caused more questions than provided answers and in my opinion is a key part of the reason we find ourselves in the position we are in. And just because he has clocked up 100 appearances will not change my opinion on that. As Joe Royle said in 2001 when managing ManC : "Management is the only job in the world when everyone knows better. I would never tell a plumber, a lawyer, or a journalist how to do his job but they all know better than me...."
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Post by LankyPotter on Mar 4, 2019 22:53:51 GMT
Honestly think Joe Allen has been given an actual role and set of responsibilities under Jones he is looking alot better for it! Although I would still be open to selling him in the summer for atleast £20m. He does press very well its now a case of whether jones feels that his wage and transfer fee could be utilised more effectively.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Mar 4, 2019 23:01:22 GMT
We may well not have needed him when we signed him , but we will miss him Terribly when he leaves , best Hope is a Leicester ,v Bournemouth Dutch auction which drives the price as high as we can get . Worse of course is what bright idea the most incompetent transfer and commercial team will dream up as a creative replacement , and what ludicrous contract they may commit to Any person who supports Stoke and watches games regularly home and away who has anything negative to say about Joe Allen I'm afraid is a cretin and does not understand football. He is the one person in our team who continually wins the ball back for us. He consistently covers more ground than any other player in doing this. On Saturday he was outstanding! For his physical size he wins many headers and his courage is unquestionable. He then regularly makes many incisive runs into the six yard box when the ball is arriving and has been rewarded with a number of important goals. I agree that many Premier Clubs will be interested in him next season. His wife is a headteacher in this area so he might stay especially as his kids are at a formative stage in their education. What ever happens he has been our best player by a long long way over the last few seasons. Spot on silver exactly my thoughts on Joe
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 4, 2019 23:13:28 GMT
Sorry, but just because Allen can win the ball back and tries hard doesn’t mean he is exempt from criticism, like any other player. Nor are posters/fans “cretins” for pointing out his shortcomings. He had a fantastic game on Saturday which I believe, as I said previously was down to him being relieved of attacking responsibilities. He has never suited the “free role” he has been playing in his time here, and it’s this misuse of him that has unbalanced the midfield for so long. He’s scored more goals here than his previous 3 clubs put together, because we have used him differently. Jones finally returned him to the role he should have been in all along and lo and behold he turned in an absolutely stellar performance which he should do in this league, because he is a quality player. The mis-use of Allen is something that cannot be ignored as part of our decline, that’s why it was so pleasing to see him used properly. I don’t think it’s a conincidence that Clucas and Etebo looked a lot better either.
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 4, 2019 23:21:18 GMT
Anybody whose main strategy in asserting any opinion is to call those who disagree with that opinion a cretin and a neanderthal is probably a bit of a cretin and neanderthal (in my opinion!).
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Post by silverdollar on Mar 5, 2019 9:58:44 GMT
I thought I was very clear in my post what I thought of people such as yourself and therefore I see no need to say any more other than I had to wade through loads of fans who liked my comment before reaching you! All about opinions Mr Dollar. Everyone is entitled to an opinion! That in no way effects my original post!
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Mar 5, 2019 10:01:35 GMT
Wasn't it him who started the move for our first goal on Saturday? EDIT - Watched it back, yes it was. Nice one-two with Ince where a lesser football would just hoof it clear. But fuck it, all he does is run around.
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Post by stokecitydom on Mar 5, 2019 10:02:48 GMT
Joe Allen has been fantastic in the past 2 home games. Anyone who can’t see that has an agenda.
I’d still probably sell him if the offer was decent, as the money could be invested elsewhere (aslong as it was spent wisely, which isn’t always the case).
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Post by silverdollar on Mar 5, 2019 10:03:15 GMT
Sorry, but just because Allen can win the ball back and tries hard doesn’t mean he is exempt from criticism, like any other player. Nor are posters/fans “cretins” for pointing out his shortcomings. He had a fantastic game on Saturday which I believe, as I said previously was down to him being relieved of attacking responsibilities. He has never suited the “free role” he has been playing in his time here, and it’s this misuse of him that has unbalanced the midfield for so long. He’s scored more goals here than his previous 3 clubs put together, because we have used him differently. Jones finally returned him to the role he should have been in all along and lo and behold he turned in an absolutely stellar performance which he should do in this league, because he is a quality player. The mis-use of Allen is something that cannot be ignored as part of our decline, that’s why it was so pleasing to see him used properly. I don’t think it’s a conincidence that Clucas and Etebo looked a lot better either. No player is exempt from criticism and I will except that Allen sometimes gives the ball away with poor passes but his importance to our team is undeniable!
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 5, 2019 10:09:04 GMT
Id love him to stay but think Leicester will be a real temptation and he'd play .
Some on here of course will then realise just what a good player he is , the Nzonzi moment all over again as we search for a replacement for what is our only real top flight regular still at his peak .
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Post by mondeoman on Mar 5, 2019 10:13:36 GMT
Best player on Stoke's books.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 5, 2019 10:26:34 GMT
Best player on Stoke's books. That would be Peter Etebo.
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Post by Gods on Mar 5, 2019 10:30:33 GMT
Joe must be one of about 3 players in total we have on our books who anyone in the Prem would actually part with any money for.
Butland perhaps but it didn't happen, anyone else, I don't think so?
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Post by wuzza on Mar 5, 2019 10:32:42 GMT
Little surprises me these days but for any Stoke supporters to be critical of Joe Allen really beggars belief. A small ray of light in the almost total darkness of the last few seasons. If he stays around for another season we will be very lucky.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 5, 2019 10:37:06 GMT
Little surprises me these days but for any Stoke supporters to be critical of Joe Allen really beggars belief. A small ray of light in the almost total darkness of the last few seasons. If he stays around for another season we will be very lucky. Wuzza.....bang on I’m just wondering who is next in line for the Oatcake Vilification process.
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