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Post by clarkeda on Apr 24, 2019 8:39:24 GMT
Probably sound silly here but kind of felt bad for him a little bit. Having a nice little interview then Nige puts him under the pump big time. Tone clearly changed I think its fairly obvious he doesnt want to be here and we have to give him credit for staying this season to try and bounce back. We dont know what kind of offers etc he had last summer What’s this? When was this?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Apr 24, 2019 8:56:50 GMT
I'll say the same thing this summer as I did last, I like Joe but we need to sell him.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 24, 2019 8:56:53 GMT
Probably sound silly here but kind of felt bad for him a little bit. Having a nice little interview then Nige puts him under the pump big time. Tone clearly changed I think its fairly obvious he doesnt want to be here and we have to give him credit for staying this season to try and bounce back. We dont know what kind of offers etc he had last summer What’s this? When was this? www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p075th2b6 mins 30 secs Interview with Nige. Nige has suddenly turned into Paxman and tried to get him to confirm he'd at least like to stay. Allen was very polite, but was particularly careful to make sure the question remained unanswered!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 8:59:12 GMT
What’s this? When was this? www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p075th2b6 mins 30 secs Interview with Nige. Nige has suddenly turned into Paxman and tried to get him to confirm he'd at least like to stay. Allen was very polite, but was particularly careful to make sure the question remained unanswered! Nige must be retiring at the end of the season, no fucks given all of a sudden....
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Post by Rick Grimes on Apr 24, 2019 9:20:48 GMT
I can see Brendan Rogers trying to take him to Leicester given their history and if he does then we can’t really stand in Joe’s way, it would be best to cash and use the funds elsewhere.
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Post by somersetstokie on Apr 24, 2019 9:33:13 GMT
Official. Joe Allen becomes the 2nd most talked about Stoke player in their history after Saido Berahino.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Apr 24, 2019 9:38:44 GMT
He's never really played one role and every game tries to do more than his job which impacts his game.
We will miss his energy when he's gone. He seems like a decent bloke too so good luck to him.
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 24, 2019 9:43:50 GMT
I have a soft spot for Joe Allen - I always like a little bloke getting stuck in against players who are much bigger and he's not frightened of doing that. Considering his size he wins his fair share of headers and his heart and courage can't be denied. However I've always thought he's been overhyped because of this and is not the great player people credit him with being. I've seen plenty of championship midfielders who are the same sort of player.
I also think his role at Stoke has been too free and because of his desire to chase the ball his inclusion has only served to make us disorganised as no one knows where he'll be and therefore he often gets in the way of other players. He needs a clearly defined role especially with more limited players who themselves need to know exactly where they should be rather than having to adapt.
Therefore much though I'd love him to stay I don't think we'll miss him if he goes.
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Post by mrcoke on Apr 24, 2019 9:53:00 GMT
I have always had a lot of time for Joe mainly because of his unceasing effort.
It always struck me that when the team played well (not very often) Joe played well, but the reverse was not always true.
I've come to the opinion that Joe is a great support player but not creative. What I mean is when is comes to wall passes for example, Joe is a great "wall" to play off, but doesn't have the skills or real pace to be the star man.
I suspect Jones does not see Etebo and Allen in "his team" next season and will sell them to raise the money to get the players he really wants. Jones would have no trouble selling them, but will find it is difficult to attract players to Stoke as there are a lot more attractive clubs to play for.
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Post by potterpaul on Apr 24, 2019 9:56:03 GMT
Fuck me As he been sold or died?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 9:59:35 GMT
I have always had a lot of time for Joe mainly because of his unceasing effort. It always struck me that when the team played well (not very often) Joe played well, but the reverse was not always true. I've come to the opinion that Joe is a great support player but not creative. What I mean is when is comes to wall passes for example, Joe is a great "wall" to play off, but doesn't have the skills or real pace to be the star man. I suspect Jones does not see Etebo and Allen in "his team" next season and will sell them to raise the money to get the players he really wants. Jones would have no trouble selling them, but will find it is difficult to attract players to Stoke as there are a lot more attractive clubs to play for. Allen has never been injured - he's played almost every game since he signed - and he has certainly never hidden even when some have. If successive managers haven't used him to his strengths that's certainly not his fault, he certainly plays a disciplined role for Wales so has it in him. For the record I could see him being a real asset in a team that had pace and energy in it, his work rate is second to none and him and Etebo showed on Saturday they can hustle and press the opposition high up the pitch, but they can't do it on their own for 90 minutes they need the right players around them. I think he'll go, and I think it's a case of what might have been as we've never really seen the best of Joe, but if he does go it will be my with my thanks for all his hard work and effort when some around him couldn't say the same.....
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Post by wearepremierleague on Apr 24, 2019 10:02:03 GMT
We will miss him massively.
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Post by wuzza on Apr 24, 2019 10:02:10 GMT
It’s a sobering thought that re-building = first losing all your half decent players !
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Post by silverdollar on Apr 24, 2019 10:06:21 GMT
In my opinion Joe Allen has been consistently one of the best players in our squad! He has been essential as the player who, more than anyone, wins possession of the ball. He puts in tackles, gets a toe in or wins a header. He is a wholehearted Stoke player and we have been lucky to have him this season. It would be good to see Etebo and Allen playing in our team next season but I would imagine both have a strong belief that's they can play in the Premiership. Who would blame them if they chose to go if a good offer came in. As good as tHey both are I feel that's Jones might not see them fitting his revolution next season.
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Post by clarkeda on Apr 24, 2019 10:31:18 GMT
What’s this? When was this? www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p075th2b6 mins 30 secs Interview with Nige. Nige has suddenly turned into Paxman and tried to get him to confirm he'd at least like to stay. Allen was very polite, but was particularly careful to make sure the question remained unanswered! Thank you kind Sir. How did I know if you would be you to link it!
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Post by MooG on Apr 24, 2019 12:13:45 GMT
Bit of an enigma is Allen - obviously a very good player but we've struggled to find a place for him ever since he turned up.
I'd be happy if he stayed - Him and Etebo would made a good central pair in a diamond.
However he could play at a higher level; especially if he can find a club with a good defensive system so he can go ball hunting without leaving an easily exploitable hole. And for the club he'd generate some revenue. We're not using a lot of his qualities so, while he'd be hard to replace on a like-for-like basis, we should be able to find a player who can run and tackle for a fraction of what he would bring in.
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 24, 2019 14:18:11 GMT
I have a soft spot for Joe Allen - I always like a little bloke getting stuck in against players who are much bigger and he's not frightened of doing that. Considering his size he wins his fair share of headers and his heart and courage can't be denied. However I've always thought he's been overhyped because of this and is not the great player people credit him with being. I've seen plenty of championship midfielders who are the same sort of player. I also think his role at Stoke has been too free and because of his desire to chase the ball his inclusion has only served to make us disorganised as no one knows where he'll be and therefore he often gets in the way of other players. He needs a clearly defined role especially with more limited players who themselves need to know exactly where they should be rather than having to adapt. Therefore much though I'd love him to stay I don't think we'll miss him if he goes. This is a perfect analysis... bit different at Wales where he has Bale & Ramsey to work with.
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 24, 2019 22:48:27 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48039297At the start of the season you would have fancied Allen and Butland, and possibly Afobe, Ince and Shawcross to get into this team. Quite rightly, zero Stoke City representation.
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Post by camstoke10 on Apr 24, 2019 23:23:35 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48039297At the start of the season you would have fancied Allen and Butland, and possibly Afobe, Ince and Shawcross to get into this team. Quite rightly, zero Stoke City representation. think it’s harsh on butland tbf, made some fantastic saves this season, and been one of the best in the league
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 25, 2019 1:29:59 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48039297At the start of the season you would have fancied Allen and Butland, and possibly Afobe, Ince and Shawcross to get into this team. Quite rightly, zero Stoke City representation. think it’s harsh on butland tbf, made some fantastic saves this season, and been one of the best in the league Chosen by the players so hard to argue against really.
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 25, 2019 1:36:01 GMT
think it’s harsh on butland tbf, made some fantastic saves this season, and been one of the best in the league Chosen by the players so hard to argue against really. Not long ago the PFA awards were voted in January, which is diabolical. I don't know if that's changed. Also I've seen stories of players just voting for what somebody else votes for and having no great opinion on these things.
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 25, 2019 8:02:07 GMT
Chosen by the players so hard to argue against really. Not long ago the PFA awards were voted in January, which is diabolical. I don't know if that's changed. Also I've seen stories of players just voting for what somebody else votes for and having no great opinion on these things. They were announced just yesterday so I imagine they have been voted on recently. I don’t think anyone can argue that Stoke players have been hard done by.
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 25, 2019 8:21:15 GMT
Not long ago the PFA awards were voted in January, which is diabolical. I don't know if that's changed. Also I've seen stories of players just voting for what somebody else votes for and having no great opinion on these things. They were announced just yesterday so I imagine they have been voted on recently. I don’t think anyone can argue that Stoke players have been hard done by. When were they voted on though. The awards have always been at this time of year. Has the time of voting changed? Anyone know?
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 25, 2019 9:40:17 GMT
I've said before there are lot of energetic championsh midfielders like Joe. I don't know much about Norwood but Grealish and Hernandez show class and creativity that we sadly lack. Teams of the season always contain stand out players rather than team players and pfa teams being voted for by players generally contain players who have hurt the opposition. I doubt if Joe was anywhere near.
As for Jack he had a terrible start to the season making mistakes in most matches, not helped by the poor defence leaving him exposed. Even now I don't think he's anything remarkable. He's a good shot stopper but as for commanding his area or closing down players has room for improvement. I said for Norwich's second Gordon Banks would have seen what was happening and closed the player down making himself big and therefore the goal smaller to at least put the forward off his shot.
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Post by juiceandbits on Apr 25, 2019 9:53:23 GMT
Genuinely think he is one of the most replaceable members in the squad and we already have Etebo. Defensive midfielders don't win you promotion. Sell, sell and sell again.
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Post by RAF on Apr 25, 2019 10:00:54 GMT
I can see Brenton Dodgers coming in for him.
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Post by LankyPotter on Apr 25, 2019 10:05:35 GMT
Anything over 15m for a 29 year old is great business
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 25, 2019 10:18:25 GMT
I've said before there are lot of energetic championsh midfielders like Joe. I don't know much about Norwood but Grealish and Hernandez show class and creativity that we sadly lack. Teams of the season always contain stand out players rather than team players and pfa teams being voted for by players generally contain players who have hurt the opposition. I doubt if Joe was anywhere near. As for Jack he had a terrible start to the season making mistakes in most matches, not helped by the poor defence leaving him exposed. Even now I don't think he's anything remarkable. He's a good shot stopper but as for commanding his area or closing down players has room for improvement. I said for Norwich's second Gordon Banks would have seen what was happening and closed the player down making himself big and therefore the goal smaller to at least put the forward off his shot. I totally disagree. Anyone who has played football values the worth of the water carriers in the team. It allows the Grealish’s of this world to bugger off and do their stuff with no responsibility. Joe Allen is that water carrier. His problem is we don’t have a flair player good enough to capitalise on his industry. Since Jones came Jack Butland has been in exceptional form and made some blinding saves which have earned us numerous points. Ok he’s not perfect and has made a few mistakes but compared to Pickford and even de Gea currently he’s rock solid.
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 25, 2019 11:46:45 GMT
They were announced just yesterday so I imagine they have been voted on recently. I don’t think anyone can argue that Stoke players have been hard done by. When were they voted on though. The awards have always been at this time of year. Has the time of voting changed? Anyone know? Its March by the looks of it. www.efl.com/news/2019/march/efl-awards-2019-shortlists-revealed/Also there is always a few reports on how players have voted which usually come out at the beginning of April.
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 25, 2019 13:53:23 GMT
I've said before there are lot of energetic championsh midfielders like Joe. I don't know much about Norwood but Grealish and Hernandez show class and creativity that we sadly lack. Teams of the season always contain stand out players rather than team players and pfa teams being voted for by players generally contain players who have hurt the opposition. I doubt if Joe was anywhere near. As for Jack he had a terrible start to the season making mistakes in most matches, not helped by the poor defence leaving him exposed. Even now I don't think he's anything remarkable. He's a good shot stopper but as for commanding his area or closing down players has room for improvement. I said for Norwich's second Gordon Banks would have seen what was happening and closed the player down making himself big and therefore the goal smaller to at least put the forward off his shot. I totally disagree. Anyone who has played football values the worth of the water carriers in the team. It allows the Grealish’s of this world to bugger off and do their stuff with no responsibility. Joe Allen is that water carrier. His problem is we don’t have a flair player good enough to capitalise on his industry. Since Jones came Jack Butland has been in exceptional form and made some blinding saves which have earned us numerous points. Ok he’s not perfect and has made a few mistakes but compared to Pickford and even de Gea currently he’s rock solid. I agree that you need water carriers but my point is that they very rarely get in a team of the season so one explanation as to why he isn't in the pfa team of the season. There are several of his type of player whereas Grealish and Hernandez are rare and the flair players you and I agree Stoke lack. As for Butland I don't think as yet he is an all round gk and again as we are talking about a team of the season hasn't been consistent enough. Usually the gk in these teams comes from a side who have a good defence so no surprise that Pulis's gk gets the vote for gk of the season. Pickford is irrelevant to my point.
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