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Post by Gifton on Jan 23, 2019 0:13:07 GMT
Just heard it, sounds like he's obviously nervous about the aircraft and the flight but there doesn't seem to be any imminent danger at that point. He's yawning and taking about training with his new team mates the next afternoon. It's so sad in any case that lives can be snuffed out so suddenly. I feel for his parents and how they are right now. My eldest son is 29. It just makes you think. Awful mate, awful...
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Post by oatcakesteve on Jan 23, 2019 0:15:47 GMT
Absolutely mate.
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Post by tosh on Jan 23, 2019 0:23:12 GMT
Oh yes, he was messaging a Nantes team mate? Just heard it, sounds like he's obviously nervous about the aircraft and the flight but there doesn't seem to be any imminent danger at that point. He's yawning and taking about training with his new team mates the next afternoon. Apparently his dad did hear about the crash from a friend. The WhatsApp voicemail saying he was nervous because the plane looked ready to fall apart, was sent just prior to takeoff for Cardiff.
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Post by oatcakesteve on Jan 23, 2019 0:29:55 GMT
Just heard it, sounds like he's obviously nervous about the aircraft and the flight but there doesn't seem to be any imminent danger at that point. He's yawning and taking about training with his new team mates the next afternoon. Apparently his dad did hear about the crash from a friend. The WhatsApp voicemail saying he was nervous because the plane looked ready to fall apart, was sent just prior to takeoff for Cardiff. Was that to do with the flight to Nantes? If he was that worried about the planes integrity, he should never have boarded for the return. It's the responsibility of the pilot to make sure it's airworthy before take off.
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Post by tosh on Jan 23, 2019 0:43:52 GMT
Apparently his dad did hear about the crash from a friend. The WhatsApp voicemail saying he was nervous because the plane looked ready to fall apart, was sent just prior to takeoff for Cardiff. Was that to do with the flight to Nantes? If he was that worried about the planes integrity, he should never have boarded for the return. It's the responsibility of the pilot to make sure it's airworthy before take off.[/quote **************** Probably just the words of a nervous flier rather than to be taken literally? I would be nervous flying across the channel in a small old plane on a winters night. Sadly it ended tragically for him
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Post by Northy on Jan 23, 2019 7:29:16 GMT
Well, bigger than a small bugger! we flew to Hannover (en rote to Hamburg for the friendly) in one of those flybe prop planes, very noisy 2 hours, I can just about handle it to Belfast like on Sunday for 40 minutes .
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jan 23, 2019 7:36:08 GMT
Well, bigger than a small bugger! we flew to Hannover (en rote to Hamburg for the friendly) in one of those flybe prop planes, very noisy 2 hours, I can just about handle it to Belfast like on Sunday for 40 minutes . Flying to Isles of Scilly from Lands End, about 15 minutes in a twin prop Otter is bad enough. The landing at St Marys on a very short runway with rocks at one end is particularly hair raising sitting behind the pilot.
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Post by Northy on Jan 23, 2019 7:40:53 GMT
we flew to Hannover (en rote to Hamburg for the friendly) in one of those flybe prop planes, very noisy 2 hours, I can just about handle it to Belfast like on Sunday for 40 minutes . Flying to Isles of Scilly from Lands End, about 15 minutes in a twin prop Otter is bad enough. The landing at St Marys on a very short runway with rocks at one end is particularly hair raising sitting behind the pilot. Went from Manchester to Inverness with Eastern Airways (they come from Norwich first, that's why it's east ) 70 mph cross winds coming in, a woman throwing up, she didnt get the plane back at the end of the day, opted for the train. Sad news to hear of the people who lost their lives, and the messages were probably nerves/humour when theyve been used to planes a lot bigger in the past
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 23, 2019 8:42:40 GMT
we flew to Hannover (en rote to Hamburg for the friendly) in one of those flybe prop planes, very noisy 2 hours, I can just about handle it to Belfast like on Sunday for 40 minutes . Flying to Isles of Scilly from Lands End, about 15 minutes in a twin prop Otter is bad enough. The landing at St Marys on a very short runway with rocks at one end is particularly hair raising sitting behind the pilot. I've flown to Scilly in a Twin Otter several times when I went there for a few weeks at a time to relieve the regular Customs Officer - in the days when they had permanent Customs Staff on Scilly. I love flying but even I got a shock on my first landing at the runway on Scilly which has a big hump half way along it! I did get used to it though and, in any case, working as a Customs Officer on Scilly (especially in summer) has to be less like work than almost any other job. A view out of the office window to die for and your own self drive boat to go fishing in visit potential smuggling yachts on the outlying islands! Happy days.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 9:44:09 GMT
Flying to Isles of Scilly from Lands End, about 15 minutes in a twin prop Otter is bad enough. The landing at St Marys on a very short runway with rocks at one end is particularly hair raising sitting behind the pilot. I've flown to Scilly in a Twin Otter several times when I went there for a few weeks at a time to relieve the regular Customs Officer - in the days when they had permanent Customs Staff on Scilly. I love flying but even I got a shock on my first landing at the runway on Scilly which has a big hump half way along it! I did get used to it though and, in any case, working as a Customs Officer on Scilly (especially in summer) has to be less like work than almost any other job. A view out of the office window to die for and your own self drive boat to go fishing in visit potential smuggling yachts on the outlying islands! Happy days. Another Isle another Bottom GD
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Post by greenhoffsleftboot on Jan 23, 2019 10:05:48 GMT
Not sure if anyone has raised this and it is undoubtedly insensitive to even mention it, but what happens now to Cardiff? They've paid good money for Mr Sala and to a large extent have probably pinned their hopes of staying up on the goals they expected him to score. Tragically, he must now be presumed lost and there's a week left until the window closes. I guess that somewhere down the line they'll get an insurance payout, but in the meantime I wonder if they'd consider buying another forward - or maybe loaning someone. Time is seriously short and I know the scouting process for this guy would have been extensive; he was their number one target for a long time. The whole situation is horrible for all concerned, but there's the Premier League status of their club to consider with maybe employment issues involved for Cardiff employees - including player salaries which would be cut again if they drop back down to our level. I'd hate to even have to have the conversations that the management and board are going to have to have.
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Post by 1863 on Jan 23, 2019 10:31:31 GMT
Not sure if anyone has raised this and it is undoubtedly insensitive to even mention it, but what happens now to Cardiff? They've paid good money for Mr Sala and to a large extent have probably pinned their hopes of staying up on the goals they expected him to score. Tragically, he must now be presumed lost and there's a week left until the window closes. I guess that somewhere down the line they'll get an insurance payout, but in the meantime I wonder if they'd consider buying another forward - or maybe loaning someone. Time is seriously short and I know the scouting process for this guy would have been extensive; he was their number one target for a long time. The whole situation is horrible for all concerned, but there's the Premier League status of their club to consider with maybe employment issues involved for Cardiff employees - including player salaries which would be cut again if they drop back down to our level. I'd hate to even have to have the conversations that the management and board are going to have to have. Latest news out of Cardiff is that Sala arranged this flight himself. I guess that can be corroborated pretty simply. This is going to be the proverbial 'can of worms'.... Irony is if the lad had booked a £40 easyjet flight he'd more than likely be out this morning shopping for a new motor....
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Post by xchpotter on Jan 23, 2019 10:44:02 GMT
I know it’s not to the levels of that South American team who passed away in an air crash, but could there be a loan made of a decent striker by one of the bigger clubs as a gesture of support or sympathy? There could be many reasons of course to not do so and no doubt relegation threatened rivals would be concerned. Very sad all round and RIP to the footballer and pilot.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jan 23, 2019 10:54:40 GMT
Flying to Isles of Scilly from Lands End, about 15 minutes in a twin prop Otter is bad enough. The landing at St Marys on a very short runway with rocks at one end is particularly hair raising sitting behind the pilot. I've flown to Scilly in a Twin Otter several times when I went there for a few weeks at a time to relieve the regular Customs Officer - in the days when they had permanent Customs Staff on Scilly. I love flying but even I got a shock on my first landing at the runway on Scilly which has a big hump half way along it! I did get used to it though and, in any case, working as a Customs Officer on Scilly (especially in summer) has to be less like work than almost any other job. A view out of the office window to die for and your own self drive boat to go fishing in visit potential smuggling yachts on the outlying islands! Happy days. When was this LP.........my daughter was a police officer at St Marys for 3 years 2012-2015. We visited many times to take advantage of free accommodation. Mind you the travel was extortionate around £200 for return flight from Newquay slightly less if you went from Lands End. I preferred the Scillonian ferry but even that was around £100 return and didn’t operate in winter.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Jan 23, 2019 10:57:34 GMT
I once flew from New York to Baltimore in what can only be described as a 9 seat hang glider. felt absolutely every thing, and whilst not particularly religious, spent the entire 45 mins praying.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jan 23, 2019 10:58:26 GMT
Flying to Isles of Scilly from Lands End, about 15 minutes in a twin prop Otter is bad enough. The landing at St Marys on a very short runway with rocks at one end is particularly hair raising sitting behind the pilot. I've flown to Scilly in a Twin Otter several times when I went there for a few weeks at a time to relieve the regular Customs Officer - in the days when they had permanent Customs Staff on Scilly. I love flying but even I got a shock on my first landing at the runway on Scilly which has a big hump half way along it! I did get used to it though and, in any case, working as a Customs Officer on Scilly (especially in summer) has to be less like work than almost any other job. A view out of the office window to die for and your own self drive boat to go fishing in visit potential smuggling yachts on the outlying islands! Happy days. What form did this relief of the incumbent take, John?
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Post by shakermaker on Jan 23, 2019 11:04:19 GMT
Not sure if anyone has raised this and it is undoubtedly insensitive to even mention it, but what happens now to Cardiff? They've paid good money for Mr Sala and to a large extent have probably pinned their hopes of staying up on the goals they expected him to score. Tragically, he must now be presumed lost and there's a week left until the window closes. I guess that somewhere down the line they'll get an insurance payout, but in the meantime I wonder if they'd consider buying another forward - or maybe loaning someone. Time is seriously short and I know the scouting process for this guy would have been extensive; he was their number one target for a long time. The whole situation is horrible for all concerned, but there's the Premier League status of their club to consider with maybe employment issues involved for Cardiff employees - including player salaries which would be cut again if they drop back down to our level. I'd hate to even have to have the conversations that the management and board are going to have to have. Well, what OUGHT to happen if the transfer was done by the book: 1. Nantes will have (or will get) their fee - the player is no longer their player if contracts have been signed. 2. Cardiff should (if they have any sense) have insured their player (for the purchase price?) as soon as they signed the contract to buy him. 3. The insurers will have to pay Cardiff the player's insured value providing Cardiff have complied with all the terms of the insurance.[/quote] This post from Lakeland Potter nicely summarises the current position with regards to the transfer fee and insurance.
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Post by 1863 on Jan 23, 2019 12:35:31 GMT
FROM THE TIMES
Emiliano Sala was travelling on a plane believed to belong to Scottish agent Willie McKay when he disappeared over the English Channel. The Argentine forward, who became Cardiff City’s record signing after joining the club from Nantes in a £15 million transfer last week, is feared dead after his light aircraft disappeared from radar screens, although a search has resumed this morning.
FROM THE TIMES
Cheap Bastards, hope they never work in football again...
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Post by 1863 on Jan 23, 2019 12:40:20 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 23, 2019 12:57:03 GMT
FROM THE TIMES Emiliano Sala was travelling on a plane believed to belong to Scottish agent Willie McKay when he disappeared over the English Channel. The Argentine forward, who became Cardiff City’s record signing after joining the club from Nantes in a £15 million transfer last week, is feared dead after his light aircraft disappeared from radar screens, although a search has resumed this morning. FROM THE TIMES Cheap Bastards, hope they never work in football again... Seems a bit uncalled for doubt there is much cheap about using a private plane and pilot more likely done for speed of travel.... Once the air accident report comes out all will become clear.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 23, 2019 13:03:10 GMT
"No hope" of finding Sala or indeed the Pilot,
A terribly sad course of events.
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 23, 2019 13:03:18 GMT
FROM THE TIMES Emiliano Sala was travelling on a plane believed to belong to Scottish agent Willie McKay when he disappeared over the English Channel. The Argentine forward, who became Cardiff City’s record signing after joining the club from Nantes in a £15 million transfer last week, is feared dead after his light aircraft disappeared from radar screens, although a search has resumed this morning. FROM THE TIMES Cheap Bastards, hope they never work in football again... Seems a bit uncalled for doubt there is much cheap about using a private plane and pilot more likely done for speed of travel.... Once the air accident report comes out all will become clear. Agreed, might be wise to reserve any judgements when full details emerge. Surely the cheap option would have been EasyJet, or Ryanair?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 23, 2019 13:17:08 GMT
I've flown to Scilly in a Twin Otter several times when I went there for a few weeks at a time to relieve the regular Customs Officer - in the days when they had permanent Customs Staff on Scilly. I love flying but even I got a shock on my first landing at the runway on Scilly which has a big hump half way along it! I did get used to it though and, in any case, working as a Customs Officer on Scilly (especially in summer) has to be less like work than almost any other job. A view out of the office window to die for and your own self drive boat to go fishing in visit potential smuggling yachts on the outlying islands! Happy days. When was this LP.........my daughter was a police officer at St Marys for 3 years 2012-2015. We visited many times to take advantage of free accommodation. Mind you the travel was extortionate around £200 for return flight from Newquay slightly less if you went from Lands End. I preferred the Scillonian ferry but even that was around £100 return and didn’t operate in winter. I was there LONG before your daughter worked there, LL. I retired in 2004 and it was probably 15 years before that when I last worked on Scilly. In my day I was able to fly direct from my base in Plymouth but they stopped that service a few years after I worked there and Plymouth Airport is now closed to commercial traffic. You are right about costs - luckily my flights and accommodation were paid for by HM Customs and Excise - as it was then called. I often stayed in Star Castle above St Mary's town, if they had a room available - very nice - much more like a holiday than work!
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Post by basingstokie on Jan 23, 2019 13:54:31 GMT
Not sure if anyone has raised this and it is undoubtedly insensitive to even mention it, but what happens now to Cardiff? They've paid good money for Mr Sala and to a large extent have probably pinned their hopes of staying up on the goals they expected him to score. Tragically, he must now be presumed lost and there's a week left until the window closes. I guess that somewhere down the line they'll get an insurance payout, but in the meantime I wonder if they'd consider buying another forward - or maybe loaning someone. Time is seriously short and I know the scouting process for this guy would have been extensive; he was their number one target for a long time. The whole situation is horrible for all concerned, but there's the Premier League status of their club to consider with maybe employment issues involved for Cardiff employees - including player salaries which would be cut again if they drop back down to our level. I'd hate to even have to have the conversations that the management and board are going to have to have. Well, what OUGHT to happen if the transfer was done by the book: 1. Nantes will have (or will get) their fee - the player is no longer their player if contracts have been signed. 2. Cardiff should (if they have any sense) have insured their player (for the purchase price?) as soon as they signed the contract to buy him. 3. The insurers will have to pay Cardiff the player's insured value providing Cardiff have complied with all the terms of the insurance.This post from Lakeland Potter nicely summarises the current position with regards to the transfer fee and insurance.[/quote] Agree, but potential stumbling blocks are;; 1) Are all players of CCFC automatically insured, or do they have to notify the insurers to change the policy - in which case on Sala's signing you can see someone thinking, better do that on Monday, Monday being a bit busy and them going 'ah well, I'll do it tomorrow' (lets face it we've all done that sort of thing at work) 2) Terms of insurance - I wonder if not flying in (what has been described) as a washing machine with wings would be excluded - you could see insurers putting some conditions on the type of flight/plane, just like skiing is normally banned for pro footballers because of increased risk. 3) If insurers don't pay out, Cardiff would still have to pay Nantes (they must have the £15m as would have paid for him without this accident) but they would obviously be a key squad member down and presumably without the resources to replace him (and as a PP noted, not a lot of time until the window shuts). Sadly, both the pilot and Sala are virtually certain to be dead now. I hope they find the bodies so they can have a decent burial and Rest in Peace
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Post by boydcrowder on Jan 23, 2019 15:12:57 GMT
Well, what OUGHT to happen if the transfer was done by the book: 1. Nantes will have (or will get) their fee - the player is no longer their player if contracts have been signed. 2. Cardiff should (if they have any sense) have insured their player (for the purchase price?) as soon as they signed the contract to buy him. 3. The insurers will have to pay Cardiff the player's insured value providing Cardiff have complied with all the terms of the insurance.This post from Lakeland Potter nicely summarises the current position with regards to the transfer fee and insurance. Agree, but potential stumbling blocks are;; 1) Are all players of CCFC automatically insured, or do they have to notify the insurers to change the policy - in which case on Sala's signing you can see someone thinking, better do that on Monday, Monday being a bit busy and them going 'ah well, I'll do it tomorrow' (lets face it we've all done that sort of thing at work) 2) Terms of insurance - I wonder if not flying in (what has been described) as a washing machine with wings would be excluded - you could see insurers putting some conditions on the type of flight/plane, just like skiing is normally banned for pro footballers because of increased risk. 3) If insurers don't pay out, Cardiff would still have to pay Nantes (they must have the £15m as would have paid for him without this accident) but they would obviously be a key squad member down and presumably without the resources to replace him (and as a PP noted, not a lot of time until the window shuts). Sadly, both the pilot and Sala are virtually certain to be dead now. I hope they find the bodies so they can have a decent burial and Rest in Peace [/quote] Maybe footballer insurance is different than home insurance or life insurance, but whenever I've insured anything I've not been allowed to claim in the first 14 days as it's the 'cooling off period'
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Post by 1863 on Jan 23, 2019 15:19:54 GMT
Seems a bit uncalled for doubt there is much cheap about using a private plane and pilot more likely done for speed of travel.... Once the air accident report comes out all will become clear. Agreed, might be wise to reserve any judgements when full details emerge. Surely the cheap option would have been EasyJet, or Ryanair? Oh, that's very interesting mate, "cheap option would have been Easyjet, or Ryanair"... Just put the fact that Mr Sala was a £15m signing to one side for a moment, I wonder who on this board would allow a loved one to fly across the channel in an unknown 35-year-old single-engine piston aircraft, in winter, at night with no mode Charlie Transponder using the services of a part-time pilot? A gas engineer from North Lincolnshire. Once again, the innocence and lack of knowledge of the non-flying public puts them at risk. All Sala wanted was the same sort aircraft that Ronaldo tweeted a selfie from the other night, he'd just had somebody pay north of £15 mill for him, I'd say he "deserved" it wouldn't you? Cheap Bastards still harsh for you yooth? Apologists for a football agent like Willie McKay..........I've heard it all now...
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Post by basingstokie on Jan 23, 2019 15:24:00 GMT
This post from Lakeland Potter nicely summarises the current position with regards to the transfer fee and insurance. Agree, but potential stumbling blocks are;; 1) Are all players of CCFC automatically insured, or do they have to notify the insurers to change the policy - in which case on Sala's signing you can see someone thinking, better do that on Monday, Monday being a bit busy and them going 'ah well, I'll do it tomorrow' (lets face it we've all done that sort of thing at work) 2) Terms of insurance - I wonder if not flying in (what has been described) as a washing machine with wings would be excluded - you could see insurers putting some conditions on the type of flight/plane, just like skiing is normally banned for pro footballers because of increased risk. 3) If insurers don't pay out, Cardiff would still have to pay Nantes (they must have the £15m as would have paid for him without this accident) but they would obviously be a key squad member down and presumably without the resources to replace him (and as a PP noted, not a lot of time until the window shuts). Sadly, both the pilot and Sala are virtually certain to be dead now. I hope they find the bodies so they can have a decent burial and Rest in Peace Maybe footballer insurance is different than home insurance or life insurance, but whenever I've insured anything I've not been allowed to claim in the first 14 days as it's the 'cooling off period'[/quote] I understand the cooling off period thing, but think you might be slightly incorrect, otherwise your house would be uninsured for 14 days per year which is a massive risk given its probably the most valuable thing you own. I believe the cooling off period is 14 days, but if you claim during that period you can't then cancel under a cooling off provision.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jan 23, 2019 15:45:41 GMT
Agree, but potential stumbling blocks are;; 1) Are all players of CCFC automatically insured, or do they have to notify the insurers to change the policy - in which case on Sala's signing you can see someone thinking, better do that on Monday, Monday being a bit busy and them going 'ah well, I'll do it tomorrow' (lets face it we've all done that sort of thing at work) 2) Terms of insurance - I wonder if not flying in (what has been described) as a washing machine with wings would be excluded - you could see insurers putting some conditions on the type of flight/plane, just like skiing is normally banned for pro footballers because of increased risk. 3) If insurers don't pay out, Cardiff would still have to pay Nantes (they must have the £15m as would have paid for him without this accident) but they would obviously be a key squad member down and presumably without the resources to replace him (and as a PP noted, not a lot of time until the window shuts). Sadly, both the pilot and Sala are virtually certain to be dead now. I hope they find the bodies so they can have a decent burial and Rest in Peace Maybe footballer insurance is different than home insurance or life insurance, but whenever I've insured anything I've not been allowed to claim in the first 14 days as it's the 'cooling off period' I understand the cooling off period thing, but think you might be slightly incorrect, otherwise your house would be uninsured for 14 days per year which is a massive risk given its probably the most valuable thing you own. I believe the cooling off period is 14 days, but if you claim during that period you can't then cancel under a cooling off provision. [/quote] Seems to be a bit insensitive to be talking about insurance whilst they are still looing for the bloke - however from my experience I would suggest they would (or should) have an umbrella policy already in place against which they can either add or remove insured assets(in this case people)during it's period of cover.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 23, 2019 16:49:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 17:03:52 GMT
Apparently he booked his own flight, after turning down the flight that Cardiff offered to him.
Not that it matters really, but if Cardiff owners had insisted he did this - then I guess a very small consolation is that it absolves any blame they might have had to live with.
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