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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 18, 2019 20:45:28 GMT
The FSF has become aware of complaints by some stokies about allegedly provocative and unnecessary filming of our fans at last week's game, both on the terraces and near the refreshment kiosk at half time. I didn't notice it myself, but I have seen a still of filming being undertaken at very close quarters near the refreshment booth.If you saw or were concerned by this, please PM me or post details on this thread. Thanks.
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Post by adi on Jan 18, 2019 20:47:33 GMT
What’s the problem? Let them film our angelic support. We’ve nothing to hide I’m sure, and it’s a public place.
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Jan 18, 2019 21:02:37 GMT
I saw nowt but I'd rather someone be filming the fans than the shower of shit display we put out on the pitch.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 18, 2019 21:11:33 GMT
Didn't see anything. Can you still request any film taken of you under the data protection act? That would make them think again.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 18, 2019 21:14:31 GMT
Didn't see anything. Can you still request any film taken of you under the data protection act? That would make them think again. Yes you can as a subject access request. There sometimes arguments about whether the images of others should be blocked out. |
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Post by realstokebloke on Jan 18, 2019 21:19:39 GMT
Didn't see anything. Can you still request any film taken of you under the data protection act? That would make them think again. Yes you can as a subject access request. There sometimes arguments about whether the images of others should be blocked out.
* by 'they', I assume we mean the old bill? |
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Jan 18, 2019 21:30:50 GMT
I don't know how anyone could've filmed anything by the refreshment kiosk. It was a jam packed rat run.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 18, 2019 23:05:59 GMT
Yes you can as a subject access request. There sometimes arguments about whether the images of others should be blocked out.
* by 'they', I assume we mean the old bill? No, in this case it's Brentford stewards but we do sometimes have issues with police filming. Incidentally, it may surprise you to know that there is a "Camera surveillance commissioner" ( I kid you not) but their jurisdiction doesn't apply inside stadia. www.gov.uk/government/organisations/surveillance-camera-commissioner |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 23:10:57 GMT
I’ll PM you shortly Malcolm.
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Post by wilcopotter on Jan 18, 2019 23:16:26 GMT
The FSF has become aware of complaints by some 👍stokies about allegedly provocative and unnecessary filming of our fans at last week's game, both on the terraces and near the refreshment kiosk at half time. I didn't notice it myself, but I have seen a still of filming being undertaken at very close quarters near the refreshment booth.If you saw or were concerned by this, please PM me or post details on this thread. Thanks. Malcolm , I was there and saw nothing sinister in this filming, not sure where you’re coming from but I think you need to cop on yo yourself. If this “filming” keeps the peace fine by me. Basically, if yoodping nothing wrong nothing to worry about |
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Post by Waggy on Jan 18, 2019 23:22:25 GMT
I never noticed it. I do hope i wasn't doing anything silly
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Post by wilcopotter on Jan 18, 2019 23:30:02 GMT
I never noticed it. I do hope i wasn't doing anything silly Waggy, I never saw anyone out of order, so relax 😉👍. Like I say, some going a bit over the top here I think. |
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Post by Waggy on Jan 18, 2019 23:35:20 GMT
I never noticed it. I do hope i wasn't doing anything silly Waggy, I never saw anyone out of order, so relax 😉👍. Like I say, some going a bit over the top here I think. I get paranoid after supping IPA’s before a match. I sometimes can get a bit of a memory loss. I can't even remember much of the match. I came around though at 7pm in a pub somewhere. |
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Post by wilcopotter on Jan 18, 2019 23:38:14 GMT
Waggy, I never saw anyone out of order, so relax 😉👍. Like I say, some going a bit over the top here I think. I get paranoid after supping IPA’s before a match. I sometimes can get a bit of a memory loss. I can't even remember much of the match. I came around though at 7pm in a pub somewhere. You’tre lucky then, because we were shite. Anyway, will still be there tomorrow. Love the Potters., just how it gets better soon 👍 |
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Post by Gods on Jan 18, 2019 23:44:36 GMT
The FSF has become aware of complaints by some 👍stokies about allegedly provocative and unnecessary filming of our fans at last week's game, both on the terraces and near the refreshment kiosk at half time. I didn't notice it myself, but I have seen a still of filming being undertaken at very close quarters near the refreshment booth.If you saw or were concerned by this, please PM me or post details on this thread. Thanks. Malcolm , I was there and saw nothing sinister in this filming, not sure where you’re coming from but I think you need to cop on yo yourself. If this “filming” keeps the peace fine by me. Basically, if yoodping nothing wrong nothing to worry about I didn't see it but I was in with the Brentford fans. But what do you mean 'nothing sinister'? I would not be happy to have a complete stranger in a dayglo jacket stick a camera in my face at point blank range, it's a complete invasion of your privacy and some kind of implicit assumption of guilt. You wouldn't be allowed to do it to a prisoner on death row. You wouldn't see it at any other sporting occasion. When you start treating football supporters as human beings they might start behaving like them. Apart from that what do 'cop on yo yourself' and 'yoodping' mean? |
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Post by Waggy on Jan 18, 2019 23:45:01 GMT
I get paranoid after supping IPA’s before a match. I sometimes can get a bit of a memory loss. I can't even remember much of the match. I came around though at 7pm in a pub somewhere. You’tre lucky then, because we were shite. Anyway, will still be there tomorrow. Love the Potters., just how it gets better soon 👍 We need to give the manager time and i honestly think all will be good |
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Post by wilcopotter on Jan 18, 2019 23:50:37 GMT
You’tre lucky then, because we were shite. Anyway, will still be there tomorrow. Love the Potters., just how it gets better soon 👍 We need to give the manager time and i honestly think all will be good Completely agree. |
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Post by skip on Jan 19, 2019 0:25:44 GMT
There were two or perhaps three stewards with GoPro or similar small hand sized cameras filming for a few minutes half way through the first half, directly in the middle behind the goal. Quite what they thought they were achieving I'm not so sure but one Stoke fan got hoyked out of the crowd. It was around the time two Stoke fans were all handbags over something or other.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 19, 2019 8:53:24 GMT
The FSF has become aware of complaints by some 👍stokies about allegedly provocative and unnecessary filming of our fans at last week's game, both on the terraces and near the refreshment kiosk at half time. I didn't notice it myself, but I have seen a still of filming being undertaken at very close quarters near the refreshment booth.If you saw or were concerned by this, please PM me or post details on this thread. Thanks. Malcolm , I was there and saw nothing sinister in this filming, not sure where you’re coming from but I think you need to cop on yo yourself. If this “filming” keeps the peace fine by me. Basically, if yoodping nothing wrong nothing to worry about I'm afraid you'll have to translate " cop on yo yourself" and "yoodping" for me. And I'm not sure why you have put "filming" in quotation marks. It was filming. Where I'm coming from is that if fans make a complaint to us, we look at it to try to make an assessment of how reasonable a complaint it is. Part of that assessment is asking others who were there what they saw. As I said I have seen a still shot of the steward in question filming with his camera very close to a supporter, but because it's a still shot, I haven't seen what happened immediately previously and it's not clear exactly what he is filming or why. I haven't seen any evidence to suggest that the filming was necessary to "keep the peace", as you suggest. |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 19, 2019 8:58:00 GMT
Malcolm , I was there and saw nothing sinister in this filming, not sure where you’re coming from but I think you need to cop on yo yourself. If this “filming” keeps the peace fine by me. Basically, if yoodping nothing wrong nothing to worry about I didn't see it but I was in with the Brentford fans. But what do you mean 'nothing sinister'? I would not be happy to have a complete stranger in a dayglo jacket stick a camera in my face at point blank range, it's a complete invasion of your privacy and some kind of implicit assumption of guilt. You wouldn't be allowed to do it to a prisoner on death row. You wouldn't see it at any other sporting occasion. When you start treating football supporters as human beings they might start behaving like them. Apart from that what do 'cop on yo yourself' and 'yoodping' mean? Completely agree, Godfrey. Filming of the crowd when no incidents are taking place does tend to get fans very annoyed, which is not good crowd management. |
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Post by Gods on Jan 19, 2019 9:07:40 GMT
I didn't see it but I was in with the Brentford fans. But what do you mean 'nothing sinister'? I would not be happy to have a complete stranger in a dayglo jacket stick a camera in my face at point blank range, it's a complete invasion of your privacy and some kind of implicit assumption of guilt. You wouldn't be allowed to do it to a prisoner on death row. You wouldn't see it at any other sporting occasion. When you start treating football supporters as human beings they might start behaving like them. Apart from that what do 'cop on yo yourself' and 'yoodping' mean? Completely agree, Godfrey. Filming of the crowd when no incidents are taking place does tend to get fans very annoyed, which is not good crowd management. It's always tempting to get your SmartPhone out and start filming the filmers from about 3 feet away too. But my suspicion is that they would be extremely annoyed, believing it to be an infringement of their personal space. They'd be right of course! In fairness to them it probably wasn't their idea, a directive would likely come from 'upstairs' so to speak I would expect. They are just the guys on the ground at the sharp end. |
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Post by sheds1862 on Jan 19, 2019 11:04:05 GMT
Makes a change from bell ends in the concourse filming themselves being dead ard'
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Post by temp1 on Jan 19, 2019 11:41:03 GMT
Malcolm, the incident I witnessed took place during the first half. , behind the goal in the standing area. For some reason, the stewards felt the need to eject a fan , entered the standing area and began to forcibly remove him from the rest of our supporters. The stewards then used force to move the fan along the touchline towards the tunnel.
Prior to the stewards entering the away end, their colleagues lined up and began to stare , menacingly in my opinion, at the Stoke fans. At this point , one of the stewards began to film Stoke fans using a digital camera on an extended pole. The filming continued for some time after the ejection was complete. I would describe their actions as hostile, adversarial and aggressive. On a different day, the incident may well have escalated into a broader physical confrontation between fans and stewards.
The primary role of stewards is to help and assist supporters, though the Brentford team did not seem to share this perspective. I saw nothing , before the ejection, to suggest that there was any behaviour in the location of the incident that may have jeopardized supporter safety . in my opinion, this cannot be said for the ejection itself which was a,perhaps foolhardy, act that risked both adverse and unintended responses.
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Post by adi on Jan 19, 2019 11:45:15 GMT
Malcolm , I was there and saw nothing sinister in this filming, not sure where you’re coming from but I think you need to cop on yo yourself. If this “filming” keeps the peace fine by me. Basically, if yoodping nothing wrong nothing to worry about I didn't see it but I was in with the Brentford fans. But what do you mean 'nothing sinister'? I would not be happy to have a complete stranger in a dayglo jacket stick a camera in my face at point blank range, it's a complete invasion of your privacy and some kind of implicit assumption of guilt. You wouldn't be allowed to do it to a prisoner on death row. You wouldn't see it at any other sporting occasion. When you start treating football supporters as human beings they might start behaving like them. Apart from that what do 'cop on yo yourself' and 'yoodping' mean? Is this what happened? Camera at point blank range ie inches from your face?? |
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Post by adi on Jan 19, 2019 11:51:06 GMT
Malcolm, the incident I witnessed took place during the first half. , behind the goal in the standing area. For some reason, the stewards felt the need to eject a fan , entered the standing area and began to forcibly remove him from the rest of our supporters. The stewards then used force to move the fan along the touchline towards the tunnel. Prior to the stewards entering the away end, their colleagues lined up and began to stare , menacingly in my opinion, at the Stoke fans. At this point , one of the stewards began to film Stoke fans using a digital camera on an extended pole. The filming continued for some time after the ejection was complete. I would describe their actions as hostile, adversarial and aggressive. On a different day, the incident may well have escalated into a broader physical confrontation between fans and stewards. The primary role of stewards is to help and assist supporters, though the Brentford team did not seem to share this perspective. I saw nothing , before the ejection, to suggest that there was any behaviour in the location of the incident that may have jeopardized supporter safety . in my opinion, this cannot be said for the ejection itself which was a,perhaps foolhardy, act that risked both adverse and unintended responses. “Staring menacingly” - you mean staring? “Felt the need to eject a fan”- im sure it wasn’t without reason. Can we stop with the faux outrage and victim complex? They are entitled to film you, as you are in a public area. They are there to look out for trouble, rather than to watch the game, so they will be staring at the crowd. If there was trouble and no stewarding then you’d all complain for a lack of a presence. Yet as soon as they do their job then there’s outrage! I get that some are just thugs who had a hard time at school but the snowflake syndrome on here at times is comical. |
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Post by northstaffycher on Jan 19, 2019 12:22:26 GMT
I wasn’t there but it is, as some have said a complete invasion of privacy. What will they do with the images? Football fans still treated with contempt. Most surveiiled people in UK. It’s bad enough will Plod filming your every move. About time the focus shifted to real crime. Football fans and are easy targets (as are car drivers).
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Post by bertiebigguns on Jan 19, 2019 12:34:10 GMT
Malcolm, the incident I witnessed took place during the first half. , behind the goal in the standing area. For some reason, the stewards felt the need to eject a fan , entered the standing area and began to forcibly remove him from the rest of our supporters. The stewards then used force to move the fan along the touchline towards the tunnel. Prior to the stewards entering the away end, their colleagues lined up and began to stare , menacingly in my opinion, at the Stoke fans. At this point , one of the stewards began to film Stoke fans using a digital camera on an extended pole. The filming continued for some time after the ejection was complete. I would describe their actions as hostile, adversarial and aggressive. On a different day, the incident may well have escalated into a broader physical confrontation between fans and stewards. The primary role of stewards is to help and assist supporters, though the Brentford team did not seem to share this perspective. I saw nothing , before the ejection, to suggest that there was any behaviour in the location of the incident that may have jeopardized supporter safety . in my opinion, this cannot be said for the ejection itself which was a,perhaps foolhardy, act that risked both adverse and unintended responses. “Staring menacingly” - you mean staring? “Felt the need to eject a fan”- im sure it wasn’t without reason. Can we stop with the faux outrage and victim complex? They are entitled to film you, as you are in a public area. They are there to look out for trouble, rather than to watch the game, so they will be staring at the crowd. If there was trouble and no stewarding then you’d all complain for a lack of a presence. Yet as soon as they do their job then there’s outrage! I get that some are just thugs who had a hard time at school but the snowflake syndrome on here at times is comical. What was your interpretation of events? |
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Post by adi on Jan 19, 2019 14:23:27 GMT
“Staring menacingly” - you mean staring? “Felt the need to eject a fan”- im sure it wasn’t without reason. Can we stop with the faux outrage and victim complex? They are entitled to film you, as you are in a public area. They are there to look out for trouble, rather than to watch the game, so they will be staring at the crowd. If there was trouble and no stewarding then you’d all complain for a lack of a presence. Yet as soon as they do their job then there’s outrage! I get that some are just thugs who had a hard time at school but the snowflake syndrome on here at times is comical. What was your interpretation of events? The stewards observed the fans and ejected a probable trouble maker. What’s yours? |
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Post by adi on Jan 19, 2019 14:25:21 GMT
I wasn’t there but it is, as some have said a complete invasion of privacy. What will they do with the images? Football fans still treated with contempt. Most surveiiled people in UK. It’s bad enough will Plod filming your every move. About time the focus shifted to real crime. Football fans and are easy targets (as are car drivers). ‘Real crime’ Sounds like someone who has been done for speeding an is bitter. My answer is always the same: crime is crime. Don’t like our laws then move to Somalia 😂 |
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Post by adi on Jan 20, 2019 9:41:48 GMT
“Staring menacingly” - you mean staring? “Felt the need to eject a fan”- im sure it wasn’t without reason. Can we stop with the faux outrage and victim complex? They are entitled to film you, as you are in a public area. They are there to look out for trouble, rather than to watch the game, so they will be staring at the crowd. If there was trouble and no stewarding then you’d all complain for a lack of a presence. Yet as soon as they do their job then there’s outrage! I get that some are just thugs who had a hard time at school but the snowflake syndrome on here at times is comical. What was your interpretation of events? What’s your interpretation? |
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